Friday, August 14, 2009

Something Brand New Has Taken Place!

During the month of July 2009 JM's Enterprises, 1215 Willow Pass Road * Pittsburg CA,(925) 439-8118 was the host to a powerful demonstration, the Creator has given me the ability to speak in the tongue of angels in order to provide a wake-up call that will in time include the salvation of the entire world.

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Steve said...

Denise, you wrote: "I am sick of criminals rights. After you have committed a heinous crime, you lose your rights as a citizen of this country or even a human being."

I don't believe that those who commit even the most heinous of crimes "deserve" to lose their rights as human beings. They still deserve humane treatment, whether it's in a mental hospital, a prison, or the execution chamber. Let us not as individuals and as a society devolve into thinking of any human being as less than human and treating them accordingly. If we increasingly dehumanize criminals, I believe that they and those on the verge of joining their ranks will increasingly dehumanize us, making it increasingly likely that they will victimize us and in increasingly heinous ways.

Anonymous said...

I heard you Denise:

We kill dogs and alligators for harming humans. Yet, we allow thinking human beings second and third chances to harm us. Some criminals can become productive after they have been released from jail for their heinous crimes. But why should they even be allowed to?

Anonymous said...

Denise, more info for you.
Massachussets news story. Even hundreds of thousands of citizens could not break through the men of our government.... I don't want to break your spirit, in fact, I love your spirit. I just want you to understand, that first if you want to spend your time doing something, apply it where it will have benefit. Second, when people lash out the way they have here on this blog, maybe this information will help you understand better why.

This has been a ghastly autumn of murder in Massachusetts.

On Oct. 1, the police say, two suspected pedophiles who had been courting 10-year-old Jeffrey Curley of Cambridge with promises of a new bike lured him into their car and, hours later, dumped his corpse into a river in Maine.

Last Sunday, after weeks of searching, the police found the bludgeoned body of Elaine Donahue, an obstetrics nurse in Reading and a mother of four. They charged her husband with murder.

And just this Tuesday, in Lowell, 23-year-old Annie Glenn was gunned down as she stood with her three children at a bus stop. The police have arrested a boyfriend; Ms. Glenn had fled from him to a shelter.

Lately, Acting Gov. A. Paul Cellucci said this week, it seems as though Massachusetts residents cannot turn on the news without being confronted by the death of another defenseless victim.

Public outrage has reached the point that even in this state known for its liberal leaning, and even among residents of Cambridge, a city so leftist it is nicknamed the People's Republic of Cambridge, the calls for harsh justice and eye-for-an-eye vengeance have reached what appears to be a critical volume.

So Governor Cellucci and a coalition of lawmakers, backed by more than 50,000 signatures from a petition drive that sprang up after Jeffrey Curley's death, mounted a push this week to put the death penalty back on the books. The last execution in Massachusetts was in 1947. The state is one of only 12 that have resisted restoring capital punishment since the Supreme Court allowed it to resume two decades ago.

The previous Governor, William F. Weld, had made the same proposal every year for the last seven, fruitlessly. But this time around, after this rash of killings and with next year's elections in sight, some politicians think that Massachusetts is the closest it has been in 15 years to restoring the death penalty.

On Tuesday night, the State Senate easily passed a bill that would allow capital punishment not only for killers of police officers, as originally proposed, but for more than a dozen other types of murders, including for the murder of a child who has been kidnapped or sexually assaulted.

But the Senate has passed death penalty bills before. It is in the 116-member House that they have always been defeated. This year, true to form, Speaker Thomas M. Finneran, a Democrat who opposes the death penalty, resisted bringing up the capital punishment bill, saying it should wait until everyone had calmed down.

On Wednesday, however, he relented and said he would allow a vote in this session, which ends in mid-November.

On Thursday, opponents of the death penalty mounted a public counteroffensive, arguing at a news conference that capital punishment failed as a deterrent and threatened innocent people with death. Openly worried by action at the Statehouse, they announced plans for a rally and grass-roots appeals in the critical days to come.

Article continues:

Anonymous said...

''Events of the past few days have made it clearer than ever before how crucial it is that the debate over capital punishment be carried out in the communities and in the streets and in the meeting halls,'' said William Keach, director of the Massachusetts chapter of Citizens Against the Death Penalty. ''We cannot leave it up to the politicians.''

This kind of surge in interest in the death penalty arises often in states where there has just been an especially dreadful murder, said Richard Dieter of the Death Penalty Information Center, a Washington organization that opposes capital punishment. It is particularly likely to show up in an election season, he said.

''There's usually some popular support for the death penalty,'' he said, ''and therefore it's convenient for a politician to say, 'We ought to get tough on crime, and I'm tough because I'm for the death penalty.' It's a very good symbol to use.''

Nationwide, about 75 percent of the population supports the death penalty, Mr. Dieter said, though polling results also show that people tend to prefer putting a killer in prison for life with no chance for parole, when given that alternative.

Some people. But not, perhaps, Bob Curley. Mr. Curley, Jeffrey's father, has channeled his grief into calls for harsher penalties for child pornographers and child killers, galvanizing the death penalty movement in the state. Indeed, of all the recent killings in Massachusetts, the death of Jeffrey appears to provide the greatest catalyst for the push for capital punishment.

Jeffrey was an outgoing child and sports lover with a Tom Sawyer-like charm, the youngest and doted-upon son of a fireman and a department store employee. His killing had several particularly blood-chilling elements, including the family's description of how, when Jeffrey was reported missing and his relatives were frantic, one of the suspects came over and hugged the child's father, saying he would do everything he could to help find the boy.

The police say they found pamphlets from the North American Man/Boy Love Association, a group that promotes consensual sex between boys and men, in the home of one of the suspects. And they say the two men had cultivated Jeffrey's friendship for weeks.

As she signed the death penalty petition at the Statehouse this week, Anne Wynne, an accountant from Marlborough who had stopped by to have lunch with her state senator, said she had backed capital punishment even before Jeffrey's death.

''But now more than ever,'' she said.

Photo: A move to reinstate the death penalty is gaining momentum in Massachusetts. Family members of murder victims gathered with state troopers on Wednesday in Boston for a rally in support of capital punishment. (Associated Press)

Correction: November 6, 1997, Thursday An article on Oct. 26 about the debate over the death penalty in Massachusetts misstated the affiliation of an opponent, William Keach. He is the state organizer for the Campaign to End the Death Penalty, not director of the state chapter of another group, Citizens Against the Death Penalty.

Steve said...

Goblinbee, I too am sorry about the "ugliness" that has come my way. I wish I could understand it better. I think that all of us agree that Garrido and other perpetrators of terrible crimes should be removed from society for the rest of their lives and maybe even executed. And we all agree that the Garridos perpetrated heinous crimes that have put the Dugard family through hell. Yet, I am falsely accused of being a probable pedophile posting under multiple identities because I have the disgusting temerity to suggest that pedophiles and other perpetrators of heinous crimes are sick, defective, or both and that we should take this into account in the way we regard and treat them. I think they should still be locked away for life or even executed, but because I don't also think that they should be regarded and treated as subhuman monsters deserving of hatred, torture, and torment, I "have no empathy" for their victims since I too am an actual or would-be victimizer.

You have described your internal conflicts regarding Garrido and others like him with exceptional clarity and poignancy. In fact, it sounds as though you and I are coming from exceedingly close to the same place.

For I confess that most of my compassion for the Garridos and their like is far more intellectual than emotional, far more an assertion of reasoned principle than of heartfelt empathy with a state of mind and behavioral history with which I, thankfully, can't empathize. As I implied previously, my HEART wants Garrido to "fry" as much as the next person does, but my mind says, "Whoa there! Garrido had to be sick to do what he did, and we don't 'fry' sick people for being sick."

And I struggle to bring my emotions in line with my thoughts, and my persistence in arguing those thoughts to others in forums such as this is probably as much of an effort to persuade myself as it is to persuade others. It's an effort to persuade others intellectually and to persuade myself emotionally.

Anonymous said...

Denise, I like your rabid dog metaphor. I had been trying to come up with one, but only thought of an animal such as a lion or tiger, who we don't fault for the sharpness of its teeth or claws. Rabid dog works better.

Of course, "the Garridos of the world" (to borrow a phrase from Nagarjuna) take it one step further with their cunningness. Imagine a rabid dog who can turn the rabidity on and off so as to elude detection. They turn it off when running a home printing business, dealing with customers, keeping a police officer at bay on the front porch, etc., etc., then turn it back on for their powerless victims.

Chills me to the bone.

Anonymous said...

I think I'll move to Texas!

Legislators OK death for pedophiles

AUSTIN — Individuals found guilty twice under a new criminal offense called "ongoing sexual abuse" of children could get the death penalty under a bill tentatively approved Monday by the Texas House.

The bill, passing 118-23, targets pedophiles abusing children over an extended period with the death penalty or life without parole, a narrower use of capital punishment than a measure the House withdrew last week amid concerns about its constitutionality.

In a symbolic slap at those who knew about alleged ongoing sexual abuse of children incarcerated at Texas Youth Commission facilities, lawmakers adopted stiffer penalties for a state employee who fails to report such conduct by another state employee or officer.

They voted, 135-7, for an amendment by Rep. Jim Dunnam, D-Waco, creating a second-degree felony for those who are aware of such abuse and fail to report it.

The wording was accepted by authors of the bill but is expected to be removed later.

Debate on the redrafted bill largely centered on the fairness of rules under which a person could be prosecuted for ongoing sexual abuse of a child or children under the age of 14.

A jury would not have to unanimously agree to the time, place or even the occurrence of each separate offense alleged, under the proposal.

The jury would only have to unanimously agree that ongoing sexual abuse of one or more children occurred for more than 30 days.

A first conviction under the new offense of "continual sexual abuse of a child or children" would carry a minimum 25-year penalty to life with parole, meaning the death penalty could not be used under the proposed law for at least a quarter century.

A second conviction would be a capital crime punishable by death or life without parole.

The proposed law would apply to indecency with a child by contact, sexual assault and aggravated sexual assault of a child, sexual performance by a child and kidnapping or burglary if either was committed with the intent to sexually abuse a child.

"This law gives more tools in a prosecutor's toolbox to allow them to go after the true pedophiles in our society," said Rep. Dan Gattis, R-Georgetown, sponsor of the measure.

The bill, as passed, would allay some concerns by including a "Romeo and Juliet" clause so that teenage love affairs wouldn't result in a 25-year minimum prison sentence.

To be continued:

Anonymous said...

It allows a defense if the accused is within five years of the age of the victim. That means a 17-year-old could likely avoid conviction unless his or her victim was age 11 or less, said Shannon Edmonds of the Texas District and County Attorneys Association.

Gattis' measure replaces earlier wording in House Bill 8, the "Jessica's Law" filed by Rep. Debbie Riddle, R-Tomball.

Both chambers are proposing bills this session, named after 9-year-old murder victim Jessica Lunsford of Florida, which include the death penalty among stiffer penalties for pedophiles.

"If you are so dense that you are convicted of this one time, and you come back a second time and we catch you on this offense, you will face the death penalty," Gattis said.

Houston Democratic Rep. Harold Dutton failed in an attempt, sought by defense lawyers, to require that juries unanimously agree on each alleged offense in the ongoing sexual abuse of a child.

"A person who is charged with multiple offenses could end up in a situation where the jury is not in agreement with each of those offenses. The defendant is found guilty of just being a bad guy under your scenario," he said.

No statute of limitations
Dutton, whose attempt to remove the death penalty provision and change it to life without parole also failed, said the bill would allow a jury that might not agree on every allegation to reach a verdict resulting in a defendant being put to death.

"That will really distinguish us, members. Texas will be the leader in the nation of having a criminal justice system that's just criminal," he said.

Rep. Jose Menendez, D-San Antonio, added an amendment that he said would abolish the statute of limitations on child sex assault.

He said 28 states effectively have no statute of limitations for such crimes. He said 1.9 million adult Texans have been sexually abused at some time, and that many victims don't come to terms with the abuse until much later in life.

In a related matter, Sen. Bob Deuell, R-Greenville, sponsor of "Jessica's Law" in the upper chamber, is studying New York state legislation under consideration to use GPS (global positioning system) monitoring on sex offenders who complete their entire term.

The Houston Chronicle and San Antonio Express-News found that one in five such sex offenders headed to Harris and Bexar counties in a recent 18-month period either failed to register as required or listed missing or incomplete addresses as they left prison.

Anonymous said...

S. Carolina, Okay.... but beyond me why 12 and under. 13 through 90 year olds had life and feeling too before a pedophile destroyed their lives:

South Carolina Approves Seeking Death For Pedophiles

by pd stuff

From ABCNews.com:

The state Senate on Tuesday endorsed making repeat child rapists eligible for the death penalty, setting aside arguments the move might be unconstitutional.

“What we’ve got to do today is vote our conviction,” said Republican Sen. Larry Martin.
The proposal allows prosecutors to seek the death penalty for sex offenders who are convicted twice of raping a child younger than 11.

Currently in South Carolina, murder is the only crime eligible for the death penalty.
The proposal was approved as part of a larger bill that sets minimum sentences and lifetime electronic monitoring for some sex offenders. The bill requires a third reading before moving to the House.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in a 1977 Georgia case involving an adult victim that sentencing someone to death for rape was unconstitutional.
A Louisiana law lets prosecutors seek the death penalty for rapists of children younger than 12, and the Louisiana Supreme Court found it constitutional because the U.S. Supreme Court ruling did not address the rape of a child.

The U.S. Supreme Court declined to review the statute.

Steve said...

"Imagine a rabid dog who can turn the rabidity on and off so as to elude detection."

Exactly! And I'd take it a step further. Imagine a rabid dog whose rabidity forces him to bite and causes him to evade detection.

The only reservation I have about the rabid dog analogy is that it invites dehumanization of the HUMAN perpetrator, which I find to be not only intrinsically misguided and even immoral, but also, as I've previously argued, potentially deleterious to us as individuals and to society as a whole.

Steve said...

"Individuals found guilty twice under a new criminal offense called "ongoing sexual abuse" of children could get the death penalty under a bill tentatively approved Monday by the Texas House."

I'm not sure I would be against this except for one big concern. The more crimes for which we impose the death penalty, the greater our chances of executing innocent people. I believe that we must take extraordinary measures to avoid executing innocent people. Yet, the only way to do this is to, at the very least, delay execution after sentencing sufficiently long to allow for an effective appeals process and further investigation of the crime that could end up exonerating someone before he's executed.

Yet, as some of us have pointed out, allowing this delay and these appeals may cost more than it would to keep these individuals in prison for life.

Anonymous said...

Nagarjuna, yes, I can see that we are coming from an exceedingly close place.

Our main difference is maybe more one of personality than of belief system. For the most part, I just can't get riled up about the vile comments made about Garrido on this blog; I simply can't take them seriously. I also would have no interest in dealing with people who attacked me, ad hominem style. I can't quite decide what I think about you for your repeated attempts to engage. It is beautiful in its way, yes, and it leaves me wondering what quality you have that I can learn to have, but there IS something about it that seems almost self-destructive. So I ask you (in the nicest possible way), are you crazy or just insanely patient?!

Anonymous said...

If I were at this lady's trial. I don't think I could convict her through her insanity plea. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBzudcB3iDw

Anonymous said...

"The only reservation I have about the rabid dog analogy is that it invites dehumanization of the HUMAN perpetrator..."

I can see what you're saying, but then we're on to a whole 'nother discussion. Because this attitude can seem rather "species-ist" to me. I want ALL sentient beings treated with compassion, not just humans.

Steve said...

Goblinbee--

Maybe I'm a little (or, a lot) of both. :-) Both "crazy" and "insanely patient."

But, more seriously, your perplexity over my persistence is understandable. I've already addressed it to some degree by speculating that, among other things, I may be fighting my own "shadows," struggling to persuade my emotions to "fall in line" with my principles, and manifesting a measure of obsessive-compulsiveness. And I might add now that I think part of it may also be frustration, not so much over the fact that people won't agree with me, but that they don't even seem to be able to understand me or to even want to try to understand me before rejecting my argument. And when I get frustrated, I stubbornly tend to redouble my efforts instead of, perhaps more wisely, walking away.

Steve said...

"I want ALL sentient beings treated with compassion, not just humans."

As do I. But does this mean that we should treat certain human beings the way we would rabid dogs, or rabid dogs the way we should human beings in general. Or is there a fundamental difference between human beings and other animal species in which, even though we owe compassion to all, that compassion should manifest differently toward humans than it should toward, say, dogs?

Anonymous said...

I can't fathom why anyone would not want to protect these pedophiles from the death penalty:

From ABC news:

In prison, fellow inmates derisively call pedophiles "chesters," "tree jumpers" and "short eyes."

Prison can be a menacing place for child molesters like the former Roman Catholic priest John Geoghan, who was killed in his cell Saturday — or for other alleged pedophile priests working their way through the criminal justice system.

"If you take out a sex offender like this former priest in Massachusetts, maybe the person who took him out thought he'd make a name of himself," said Margot Bach, a spokeswoman for California Department of Corrections. "Taking [a pedophile] out would gain [the killer] a lot more respect among the other inmates."

In fact, Goeghan's accused killer, Joseph Druce, "looked upon Father Geoghan as a prize," and plotted his killing for a month, John Conte, district attorney for Worcester County, Mass., told reporters Monday.

Though prison officials in some Northeastern states question the idea of an automatic social hierarchy among prisoners based solely upon their offenses, most agree that if there is one, child molesters and informants — derided as "snitches" — occupy the lowest rungs.

‘They Usually Don’t Make It’

Such offenders, including Geoghan, often are placed into protective custody with other prisoners seen to be under a threat.

"Once their crime has become known, they usually don't make it" without protective custody, said Lt. Ken Lewis, a corrections officer and spokesman at California's Los Angeles County State Prison. "There's a lot of [pedophiles] that can successfully make it … as long as they don't brag about their offense."

If they do talk, "they'll get beat up," Lewis added. "In some places he may even get his throat cut."

That potentially could mean a lot of inmates at risk. At the end of 2001, about 83,000 state prison inmates, or about 6.8 percent, were male sex offenders who had committed a rape or sexual assault against a minor under age 18, according to Allen Beck, chief of corrections statistics for the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics.

Just 56 state and federal prisoners out of a population of about 1.3 million were actually killed by other inmates during the yearlong period between July 1999 and June 2000, and it was unknown how many were pedophiles, Beck said.

But unpopular prisoners also can be harassed in other ways.

"[Child sex offenders] are at risk of being murdered, having their food taken, having their cells defecated and urinated in," said Leslie Walker, a prisoner's rights activist with the Massachusetts Correctional Legal Society. "Their life is truly a living hell."

Anonymous said...

"And it doesnt matter to me whose family member such a crime happens to. I would feel the same as if it were my own child."

Denise, I absolutely know what you mean. In a way, all kids are "my" kids. They are the world's children, and I feel a responsibility to protect them (I am an elementary school teacher by profession). But I can't pretend to have the same experience when crimes are committed on people I don't know as when they are commited on people I know and love. When crimes are committed on strangers, I have the luxury of being able to forget about it after however many days, weeks, months and go on with my life (if I didn't have this ability, I would go stark-raving mad), whereas the families can NEVER forget. And this is why I can understand wanting the death penalty if someone I loved had been murdered or severely abused. Not out of vengeance, but out of wanting to be sure that that person could not be a threat any more. Locking someone up for life might not seem secure enough--they could escape, or serve their sentence and be released, or get out early on parole. I think I would feel haunted on a daily basis by that person's continued existence and that only their death would bring some relief.

BUT, I might find out that their death brought no such anticipated relief. What if it made me feel WORSE?? The truly envious position is that of the victim or victim's family who can forgive their perpetrator. That seems like utter liberation.

Steve said...

"That means a 17-year-old could likely avoid conviction unless his or her victim was age 11 or less..."

What if the victim of the 17-yer-old IS age 11 or less? Or what if the perpetrator is 14 and the victim 6? Should we REALLY be executing minors for molesting other minors, even if more than five years separate them in age?

Furthermore, should we take the TYPE of molestation into account? For example, should consensual fondling be seen as equivalent to forcible sodomy?

I worry that in the public's and its legislators' panicked rush to "get those damn pedophiles," they're going to throw together some very questionable laws.

Steve said...

"I can't fathom why anyone would not want to protect these pedophiles from the death penalty."

I'm not sure I understand Teresa's point in asking this question and then posting the ABC News article about how pedophiles are reviled, abused, and murdered in prison, often times by people who have done some pretty terrible things in their own right.

I certainly "fathom" why some people, who aren't pedophiles themselves, don't want to see pedophiles executed. They embrace moral principles of fairness and justice that override their emotional desires for revenge and security.

Anonymous said...

Some, however, think Willman himself should be punished. "The way the information was collected is not appropriate," says Hasan Cavusoglu, an assistant professor at the University of British Columbia's Sauder School of Business. "It may challenge the foundation of many institutions we all rely on if everybody starts to do what they deem to be right. We should all abide by the laws." According to Cavusoglu, it simply is not appropriate for regular citizens to assume the responsibility of going after criminals. And he believes that the ramifications of courts accepting the kind of evidence Willman provided are quite serious. "This will create precedents," he predicts, "for other prosecutors to attempt to use evidence obtained by illegal means in other trials."

It all comes down to the fact that hacking, for whatever purpose, is against the law, Cavusoglu says. "Finding some positives in hacking, catching a criminal for instance, will not really change the fact that it is illegal. Those guys are costing millions of dollars to firms, governments and ordinary people by stealing their confidential and personal information. Therefore, they should be treated like criminals. It may seem extreme, but I believe that [Willman] has broken the law. He should be punished for this -- even if his findings might have allowed the police to stop a pedophile."

Willman, 25, actually has sympathy for this point of view. "I knew what I was doing was illegal," he says. "I think it should be illegal, the idea of monitoring someone." But, he notes, there should be different levels of legality. "I wasn't stealing Visa info, which I could have done. I was finding out if they were harming kids."

Willman's quest to find and punish pedophiles began by accident, when he was 17 and an online acquaintance offered him sex with his daughter. "At first, I was like, well, maybe," he recalls. "But then I found out she was 6, and that really freaked me out." He tried to cut off contact but he kept receiving naked pictures and descriptions of what he should do with the girl. Ultimately, Willman passed on the information to the Langley RCMP; police subsequently arrested an Edmonton man, who confessed on the spot.

Willman felt good about having helped a child, and so the idea for his Trojan Horse program began to develop. It became much like a full-time job, even though Willman was in high school or being home schooled during that period. If someone was simply downloading child porn, he would monitor them. But if they were actually posting photos, he considered that a higher priority. He would verify where suspects were from, and send the information on to Predator-Hunter, an online pedophile watchdog group that would, in turn, send it to other sources to be verified before passing it on to police. "Parents in a number of countries, I think, owe Omni-Potent a debt of gratitude for what he did," says Wendell Krueth, president of Predator-Hunter. The end justifying the means is a concept Predator-Hunter supports. "We don't tell people to go hack, but we consider whatever information we get worthy in taking down pedophiles," Krueth says.

Under U.S. and Canadian law, there's no question Willman was, technically, acting illegally. But according to Richard Owens, one of Canada's leading lawyers in the computer field and executive director of the Centre for Innovation Law and Policy at the University of Toronto, that doesn't make the information he gathered any less forceful. "We allow private citizens to make arrests in the real world," he says, "or to contribute evidence or provide tips. This is not that different. We may need to set certain limits, but for the moment it's unrestricted and the risks, in this case, are balanced by the benefits of prosecuting a potential child predator."

Anonymous said...

Willman, meanwhile, continues to live with his parents as he tries to find a career in the computer field. In spite of the legal questions surrounding what he did, he's angry at having been forced to stop doing something that was engrossing and useful. "Being made to sign something that says I will never do it again ticks me off because the police aren't doing the job," he says. "I was doing it better than they could. I knew it was illegal, but I didn't care about taking the risk. Kids were being hurt -- and I didn't want to see that happen."

Steve said...

"Here is a clear cut case why many of the law makers and judges keep giving these pedophile's the right to commit their crime again."

And the point of all this cutting and pasting IS?

That it's okay for private citizens to break the law if they're doing it to stop others from breaking the law? Or, there should be no laws governing what private citizens can do to stop others from breaking the law?

Anonymous said...

Another clear indicator, not surprising, or new to us here:

Pedophiles Fighting Back:

Pedophiles work hard at stalking their targets and will PATIENTLY WORK to develop relationships with them. It is not uncommon for them to be developing a long list of potential victims at any one time. Many of them believe that what they are doing is not wrong and that having sex with a woman or child is actually "healthy" for them.

They will boast of intellect, and profoundly be found to have many writings in relation to their views of free will, condemning all against them as being the monsters of mankind.

Almost all pedophiles have a collection of pronography, which they protect at all costs. Many of them also collect "souvenirs" from their victims. They rarely discard either their porn or collections for any reason.

One factor that works against the pedophile is that eventually the children will grow up and recall the events that occurred. Often pedophiles are not brought to justice until such time occurs and victims are angered by being victimized and want to protect other children from the same consequences.

denise said...

HAHA!! would allow capital punishment not only for killers of police officers, as originally proposed

They easily approve capital punishment for cops...before taking children into consideration. MY GOSH!!

Face it, guys. Seriously, our country sucks. In my own neighborhood I see ppl sit at their picnic tables in the front yard every day drinking and collecting a check, getting their rent paid by the govt., food stamps, electric bills paid, medical bills paid, free meds that they abuse. And each time a child of theirs turns 3, they claim ADHD in the kid, pump it full of mind altering drugs, and receive yet another check for the child.
I go to work every day to raise my sons on my own, without the assistance of anyone. We struggle while my neighbors have almost every luxury of the world. As a matter of fact, they almost got off with one of the "luxuries" that I worked hard to pay for (my chainsaw) the other day.

Not only murderers and rapists need to be put away forever, you know. Unproductive ppl that are allowed to sit around and party all day while there is a chunk of my paycheck taken every 2 weeks, is just ridiculous.

And Teresa,,,Individuals found guilty twice under a new criminal offense called "ongoing sexual abuse" of children could get the death penalty under a bill tentatively approved Monday by the Texas House.

And who do they suppose this SECOND victim should be?????
My son? Your sister? Nagarjunas daughter?
If I spit in your face. Are you going to give me the second chance to get you one more time?

Its ok to rape a child, as long as you do it only once? Bah!!

And Nilax, you filthy twisted animal, no more stories. I am waiting to see if our stupid govt is going to allow you to continue to mingle in our society, with your disturbing fantasies that you either have already or will someday try to fulfill.

Steve said...

"They will boast of intellect, and profoundly be found to have many writings in relation to their views of free will, condemning all against them as being the monsters of mankind."

Fascinating. :-) Can you provide examples?

Steve said...

I am waiting to see if our stupid govt is going to allow you to continue to mingle in our society, with your disturbing fantasies that you either have already or will someday try to fulfill.

And I'm waiting to see if our government that locks away someone for "venting" "disturbing" child abuse fantasies here is consistent and also locks away someone for "venting" disturbing child abuser abuse fantasies here.

Anonymous said...

Denise: I realize Texas (and a few other states) do not have it down as it should be yet, but at least it shows there is movement.... FINALLY.

denise said...

Oh, come on, Nagarjuna. Do you mean to tell me that you actually disagree with this computer geek hacking ppls computers for the sole purpose of finding criminals and getting them put away? At which he apparently was very successful at, while the police are not?
Anyhow, I am starting to realize that I am wasting alot of my time in this comment section, reading and writing too many words that are amounting to nowhere.
I will use the comments and points made in this blog, when I start my long and maybe fruitless journey towards change.
Teresa, I am not so stupid that I do not realize that change is so difficult, and seems so impossible. And even things that make most sense and some things that are for the good of all ppl would be kicked out by a group of politicians just because it would not be to their own personal benefit. But I am not a quitter. I know what is right. And I know that there are so many ppl out there that would LOVE to see changes, but they have their mind set the way you do. Thinking that nothing can be done, so why try. WELL, IT SURELY CANT BE DONE, IF NOBODY TRIES. I am going to try.
My 2 oldest sons have been tested for the gifted program. My 7th grader has been invited to Duke University for the Math Program. My 1st grader takes Time/Life Science Books to school with him each day. My 8th grader is in Honors Algebra. They are honor roll students and have been raised to know right from wrong. I am raising some true nerds that will someday make a difference in this world. (notice I said world and not just COUNTRY)
If I cant do anything myself, at least I can get them going for the one day that they will be in some top position.

Anonymous said...

I forgot to thank William. Thank you William!!!!! You know, if you ever have the opportunity.... computer hacking is not illegal in all countries.... some of which are very pleasant to live in.

Curious to know, what else you signed to, other than agreeing not to do this anymore. Did they make you sign that you wouldn't show anyone else how to do it?

denise said...

Nagarjuna, I agree with you that the persons that came here with their sick and perverted wishes for the Garridos were out of line.
So, as a matter of fact, I think I will call the FBI and see if they can have them all picked up. lol

Anyhow, the things that were said here were directed towards grown ppl that had done unthinkable things to innocent persons. The words that Nilax wrote does not even compare.

Anonymous said...

Denise: By all means try... I am going to try to find a way to get the attention of individuals by the masses online.

Steve said...

Denise, you ask a good question. My relatively short answer is that I'm ambivalent about what this young man did. He acted with good intentions and accomplished a good result. But he did it in a questionable way. He violated laws designed to protect the privacy of American citizens from unconstitutionally "unreasonable search and seizure. And if we condone this sort of thing, how far do we take it? Do we say that it's okay to break the law if it's done for a good cause and yields a good result? Do we REALLY want to establish that precedent and go down that road?

Steve said...

"Anyhow, the things that were said here were directed towards grown ppl that had done unthinkable things to innocent persons. The words that Nilax wrote does not even compare."

I understand your viewpoint on this, but I disagree with it. To my way of thinking, rape and torture is rape and torture, whether it's inflicted on an innocent child or a sick adult. And "venting" fantasies about the latter IS comparable to "venting" them about the former. Either we legally allow both provided they aren't true, or we legally prohibit both.

Anonymous said...

I know that what Willman did is illegal in his and our country, and I can think of good reasons why it SHOULD be illegal, but I still salute him. My god, what an amazing person. They are saying that he did what the police are unable to do, but that is maybe because the police have felt constrained by law NOT to hack. Or am I being naive?

denise said...

Nagarjuna,,,there we go again with the rights of citizens. I honestly believe that our citizens have too many rights. And the rights you are speaking about, always protect criminals. I think that somebody should actually hire this boy to do what he does. Not punish him. The govt does illegal things every day.

Steve said...

"I can think of good reasons why it SHOULD be illegal, but I still salute him."

And by that do you mean that you think he and others who do what he did should be able to do it with impunity?

Steve said...

So, Denise, citizens should have no right to keep their property, including the data on their computers, from being hacked by other citizens who merely suspect that a crime has been committed and who have no judicial authorization to carry out an investigation?

denise said...

Nagarjuna,,,anyone knows that anything you put on your computer can easily be accessed by others. Of course ppl can easily hack any computer for any reason. Why would it be illegal? Knowing how easy it is for ppl to hack computers, I never put anything on my computer that would benefit anyone. Well, I guess my 7 yr old would be irate if his Club Penguin acct was stolen. lol He racked up some pretty good stuff there. We would hate to lose those valuables.

Anonymous said...

"Do we REALLY want to establish that precedent and go down that road?"

No, I don't really think that we do. I think there are good reasons why the laws are in place. But I still find myself loving that he did it, and that he did so much good with it before getting "caught." "Do I contradict myself? Very well, then, I contradict myself." (Walt Whitman, Song of Myself)

And when I asked if I was being naive, I was thinking along the same lines as Denise--that the government does illegal things every day. I believe this too, and would rather see them catching child abusers with their techniques than all the dubious things they do. If I had to choose. It would be better if the government, law enforcement, etc. followed privacy laws, but that's just not gong to happen.

Steve said...

"Of course ppl can easily hack any computer for any reason. Why would it be illegal?"

So because it's possible for people to violate the law and plant viruses and "eavesdrop" on your computer, it should be legal for them to do it? And because it's possible for people to break into your house, they should be able to do THAT too? :-)

jesuschristerotica said...

Let Cinema S'trips Leo impegnate me in the Lord Jesus Christ Our Savior!

Steve said...

""Do I contradict myself? Very well, then, I contradict myself." (Walt Whitman, Song of Myself)"

Yes, "consistency is the hobgoblin [no pun intended :-)] of small minds." :-) And, yet, when it comes to our laws and the "administration of justice," consistency is not to be thrown out the window lest, in our desperate quest for security, we make ourselves increasingly insecure.

Anonymous said...

"So because it's possible for people to violate the law and plant viruses and "eavesdrop" on your computer, it should be legal for them to do it? And because it's possible for people to break into your house, they should be able to do THAT too?"

Hmmm...wow...this is so very interesting (although I know the question wasn't directed at me). This is starting to ask the questions about what is private space and what is public space, and what is considered invasion in either of hose spaces. I don't think people view cyberspace quite the same as they do their homes. And I don't know what the laws are. Is hacking considered as serious a crime as breaking and entering? It seems that people and the law might frown more on people entering someone's actual physical space than their cyberspace because actual physical harm can be done to a person in their physical space. Once we're out in public we don't want our "portable" physical space (our bodies) to be violated in any way.

Ay yai yai...I can hardly keep up with all that's going on in these comments.

Anonymous said...

Ack. Of course I meant "those" instead of "hose."

Anonymous said...

Between 7-15% of sex offenders are using Facebook.

Between 6-9% are using MySpace.

And that's just those offenders using their real names and details online. Imagine how many are using fake details.

There are approx 647,000 sex offenders in the USA. You do the math mother fuckers.

Anonymous said...

Kidnap-rape suspect recorded songs

Sept. 5: NBC's Jinah Kim reports that Phillip Garrido, the suspect in the Jaycee Dugard case, recorded at least 20 songs, with lyrics about his desire for young girls.

Anonymous said...

"Or is there a fundamental difference between human beings and other animal species in which, even though we owe compassion to all, that compassion should manifest differently toward humans than it should toward, say, dogs?"

I'm not sure. My ideas are maybe not well thought out on this. I do know that I abhor the rampant mistreatment of non-human animals by human animals. I also abhor the idea that non-human animals are "put" on this earth for our "use," rather than that they have followed their own noble evolutionary trajectories and have their own agendas. I do not ascribe to the notion that other creatures are just less-evolved humans ("subhumans"). Every creature and plant we see around us is a survival machine that we share this particular time on earth with.

BUT. All that said, I have yet another intellectual and emotional schism. I can think and know that no species is superior to any other species, while at the same time I can care much more about certain species than others. I am human, and the more another living organism shares my attributes, the more I identify with and care about it. I am a mammal; I care the most about mammals; I would save my cats' lives over my chickens' lives. Birds come next--many of their behaviors are explicable to me--they sing, they demonstrate preferences, they mate, they raise their young together. I feel less able to interpret the behavior of fish, reptiles, and insects, and so I feel less emotional connection with them. Along these same lines, the more another human is familiar to me, the more I care about them. This doesn't mean that I think my family and friends are superior or more deserving of life and happiness than some family in Nicaragua, but just that it is my friends and family that I would try hardest to save and protect. I think of humans as being tribal, and that these bonds we feel for our own have come down to us genetically as part of our survival mechanism. Looking after our own isn't only selfish, it is also simply practical.

Michael Ejercito said...

Sept. 5: NBC's Jinah Kim reports that Phillip Garrido, the suspect in the Jaycee Dugard case, recorded at least 20 songs, with lyrics about his desire for young girls.
He will get the opportunity to record songs about performing fellatio on the Aryan Brotherhood.

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Anonymous said...

Dr. Webb:

If there are 647,000 sex offenders in the USA, then there has to be at least 647,000 physical victims. I am also interested in finding the number of all other victims of these predators who clearly show the are victims through their statements on this website.

Is it fair to say that at least 10 of the pedophile's neighbors who have to live next to them are victims while they all have to hide in their homes, and go through all the rituals of additional protections while they daily suffer the thought of being the next physical victim. That would be 64,700,000. Then we have the grocery stores, gas stations, movie theatres, schools, universities, etc. Additionally, I dare say anyone who has to hear about the crimes they commit are victims.

I cannot help from thinking, that the true number of victims is the sum total of the United States, less, 647,000, and maybe less another 100,000 who don't read or watch the news and/or socialize. Anybody know what that total number would be? What is the USA's population?

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Anonymous said...

I picked up this story, and is best the way to describe how I believe it really should be:

ACE:

"...

The world is screaming out in horror. Multitudes are turning to violent thoughts of punishment, retribution and finality. Why must we continue to rehash and continue to suffer these pains? It is this reporters view that the people are being ignored by the law makers. It is abundantly clear, the people want pedophiles and murders exterminated. The lawmakers have been presented with the required signatures and attendance to present the will of the people time and time again. Ignoring these requests and allowing criminals to recommit their crimes is bringing out the worst in our citizens, and quite likely may be responsible for an increase in more crime.

This country, at one time so great, was built around the will of the people. Times have changed. Will has changed, but so has our government. We no longer have our own country. What we have is dictatorship. Our lives and futures are dictated to us, and we are to except that this is how it is going to be, only to be pacified with limited choice in voting. Do we truly have freedom. I think not."

Star said...

Nag said: I also agree that I can't "truly empathize with a victim" of child abuse because, thank God, I have never been one. That is, neither I nor anyone else can fully know what it's like to suffer such victimization unless and until we ourselves are victimized. But, even so, I understand on a gut emotional level as well as an intellectual one, that child abuse can be devastating. And nothing I have said here has been meant to suggest otherwise.

I CAN "know what it is like to suffer such victimization." It is years of wondering why you attract people who are abusive. It is years of wondering what is wrong with you visually that men want to abuse you. It is wanting to cut your face in hopes that you change and don't attract those types. It is wanting to diet or gain weight to change your appearance so that you do not attract men. Fear is rampant in all you do. And every decision you make is based on fear. And then you are blind to seeing what is coming--BLIND. And you can't even protect children, even your own, because you don't see it coming you were so mentally twisted by it.

It is anger when someone like Nilax writes what he write. It is wishing he would go to jail for writing it. It is knowing you would not feel a bit of sorrow if you found out he was run over, rolled for a thousands yard, and killed by a runaway truck. It is fear and absolutely being sure he is doing it. Signs abound, and he writes from experience though the child is screaming from pain and not pleasure as Nilax would profess. Nilax is likely real, and his stories are not fiction as he professes.

It is sick feelings inside, Nag, when someone like you writes that the abuser should be understood. I was convinced that I was at fault, I was the victimizer, and I was the one who drove him to it.

I nearly had a nervous breakdown over facing the skeletons in my closet. I cried for hours straight when I finally realized it was NOT MY FAULT. I was so convinced it was my fault that I could hardly believe that I wasn't at fault. I believed that child abuse was normal, and I could either be the abused or the aggressor. I could not abuse, and I finally resolved myself to be the abused. And I hated it.

Now you dare to ask me to understand, to be reasonable, to be kind, to realize he is sick? I am NOW sick from what he did to me! I don't think I was sick as a five year old, but who can remember that far back?

THERE IS NO GUT EMOTIONAL LEVEL of understanding. If you are abused, there is no relief. There is no relief from the questions asking yourself "Why?" "Why me?" "What did I do wrong to have this happen?" Years of no relief makes you want to kill people who abuse children. You know what happens, and it isn't pretty or nice or pleasant or easy. It is a living hell that doesn't go away just because the abuser is dead.

And when someone like Nilax posts what is posted, you want to see him die too, along with people I know. And yes, even if it was my brother, I'd like to see him die.

Garrido should die. There should be no opportunity EVER for a child molester to molest again. They should be castrated (not just neutered but the entire thing so that it can't be used again), and if they abuse again, they should die.

And frankly, you have many characteristics of a child molester. And I find it very hard to believe that you have not.

I don't want to respond to you any more. I can't bear your sickness. It is what got me into the emotional abyss I live in now and will live in forever. No amount of counseling will change it. I still have emotional scars. They don't go away. And as you might understand, scars don't function as normal as no scars.

Don't bother responding. I believe you are a child molester, and I can't tolerate you. Wonder why?

Anonymous said...

err - not should be, but rather is.

Anonymous said...

Star. Please protect yourself from anymore. Do not read nor respond to Nag. He is a pedophile. You are correct... please just know that, do not let him suck you into his pedophilia web. He is very good at making an ugly situation much more uglier than you already feel. DO NOT SUBJECT YOURSELF TO HIS RESPONSES. Take care, and trust your instinct.

Anonymous said...

Furthermore Star... as we all know, a pedophile cannot change. We have seen time and time again this is true here. There is no true compassion. He is incapable of seeing, hearing or comprehending your pain. Please don't share with him what he gets off on. His response is not what you need to hear to be able to cope, but adverse. I beg of you, please do not allow him to hurt you any more than you are hurting.

I am so sorry for your pain, please understand I mean only the best for YOU.

Steve said...

Star, I didn't know that you had been abused. There are no words of consolation that I could offer that could probably make an iota's difference; yet, I feel the need to say something, whether you read it or not or believe it or not.

Star, I'm very, very sorry for what you've gone through in your life. I hope that you find healing and peace. I'm also sorry that I haven't, until reading your very personal testimony, been more cognizant of the very strong possibility that some if not most of the people reading these comments and expressing their outrage and hatred toward Garrido might very well have been victimized themselves.

Of course, someone could say that nobody made you read my comments. If you didn't like what I was saying, you could have ignored me long before this. But I'm not going to try to make that case. Despite the fact that I've met some good people here and had some very interesting discussions, I now painfully realize that I have been too insensitive to the fear and pain of people like yourself here. People who have either been abused themselves, know someone who has, or are much more capable of feeling empathy for the pain and suffering of victims and their families than I, a person who lives too much in his head and not enough in his heart, has been. I should have realized that THIS, of all places, is NOT the place to try to have a principled, philosophical discussion of the morality of hating and punishing Garrido in particular and child molesters in general.

Yes, I have been incredibly insensitive. Or just plain ridiculous. Or both. And I apologize and take my leave after making one last comment.

I am not a pedophile. As impossible as it may be for you to believe, someone can take the stand I have here and do it with the compulsive persistence that I have and NOT be a pedophile. A fool, maybe. A jerk, probably. But not a pedophile.

My sincerest best wishes to all of you.

Anonymous said...

I think I've been insensitive too.
Sorry, everyone.

finally said...

lets all pray...
GENERAL POPULATION
fucker

denise said...

Teresa,,,Thank you so much for the story you wrote that began with ACE: It is so perfect. Will I be able to use that without being sued? lol Can you tell me where you found it or give me some information about where it came from?

Goodbye Nagarjuna and good luck. Be good and stay safe.

Anonymous said...

Thank goodness that is over.

Star: I just want to say how sorry I am, and I would like to help if I can. The truth of the matter is, that pain in the memories, and the want and need to self examine yourself will never go away. But it can be reduced in knowledge. The attraction to pedophiles and sex offenders can be reduced. I know this as I have experienced all that you express. I am 48 and have lived your experiences and more, now living next to a stalking Tier 3 rapist.

As you stated, you are now aware that it was not you that caused these things to happen to you. The very real feeling that it is you that attracts these people is not a fault of yours, it is a condition of abuse. It is not your physical being that is to blame for attracting such horrific individuals. Altering your person cannot lead to resolution in your heart nor life.

What we carry with us, the low self esteem, the uncanny subordinate weak personalities, is what they pick up. It is this that can be overcome. Going back to blaming yourself and overcoming this. What helped me, was to realize, back then, I was truly weak in comparison. I am no longer weak. I can make my own decisions, I can say no, the rage within me allows me the power to fight, and I apply that fight when needed.

If you chose to trust and have a life with another again. Build on your inner strength and self esteem so that it is carried with you and seen by others. What is done is done, it cannot be changed, but it does not have to be your future. Trust in the fact that you know your past was not yours to control, nor yours to carry, but move to be the person you wish to be. I agree, counseling does absolutely no good. It is within yourself. I truly hope this helps.

Anonymous said...

Denise: It is not the main story, it is from the reporter, on the blog that followed the story. It is not the full story, I only copied the relevant part. I used it here, because there was no copyright claimed, otherwise I wouldn't have posted it. (This person uses his reporting skills to maintain a web-magazine, and is funded by his advertising proceeds) I remember looking for copyright protection and found none.

The article was based on several other articles written by People magazine as well as a few others which were copyrighted and linked to, not quoted. I have done so much surfing today, I cannot locate it from the history of my surfing. But will try again tomorrow if you really need it. Let me know.

Anonymous said...

to the best of my knowledge the US population is around 300 million just now. It was 284 million about 10 years ago. it is predicted to be 320 million by 2050.

denise said...

Teresa,,,No, do not bother to search for it. Thank you so much to offer though. I will keep you informed of the steps I take and the outcomes.

Anonymous said...

Approximately 313,430,000 victims to the pedophiles and our government can't seem to find the ability to punish or put an end to the madness and keep pedophiles from torturing us. But rather, they not only protect them, and give some "fundamental right" allowing them to spread their selfish and cold hearted wants over the internet poisoning our society further.

Isn't it about time we were given the ability to vote on specific changes to our constitution. Or since so many believe any change would hurt our proper rights, shouldn't we demand to be heard for proper action in another way and have it held up by the Supreme Court. Such as, not allowing criminals the right to free speech. When a criminal goes to prison, all rights are taken away, let us not give that right to free speech back to them once released from prison. It should be a permanent loss to anyone capable of these vile acts. Either keep the pedophiles away from us, locked up or euthanized, or, if you cannot find it in your hearts to keep them in prison due to the severity of their first crime, at the very least, give us our right to freedom from them, and take their right to free speech away permanently upon their very first act.

Steve said...

Teresa, if I could say this to you by private e-mail, I would. But I don't have your e-mail address, so I'll say it here.

I know that I have been terribly insensitive in some of what I've posted here, and I can understand how that could make you upset. But that in no way excuses you for repeatedly stating that I'm a pedophile. Not only have you asserted this scurrilous falsehood over and over, but you've asserted it as certain fact and not just as your suspicion.

I don't expect that this has caused me any serious damage. but if I should ever discover that it has, I will not hesitate to sue you for libel, because that is precisely what you are guilty of. And being guilty of repeatedly and falsely accusing me of something so ugly and sick, you have done far, far, FAR worse than I have. I have been insensitive. You have been despicably defamatory.

Pray that you do not hear from my attorney.

Anonymous said...

I didn't and won't read it. Done with you.

Steve said...

Teresa, you'd better hope that I'm "done with you" too and that I never have cause to make good on my warning.

Anonymous said...

Wow, he finally learns to write short so you are forced to read it. Sounds like a pedophile threat to me. Bring it on Mo Fo. I'm ready for you.

LucyInTheSky said...

When the news first broke of Jaycee’s release, my first thoughts were how unbelievable that she and her daughters had been found alive after such a long time but also how were they possibly going to recover from such an ordeal and that, along with a loving family, hopefully all the professional help that was needed would be available to them.

My second thought was outrage, not only at the horrific crime that had been committed by the Garridos but that it was avoidable, as he should not have been released from prison from his previous sentence.

I decided to visit the blog to try to gain some understanding into the mind of a person who could possibly commit such a terrible crime and I have since been following with interest all the comments and discussion.

I was rather shocked at most of the initial comments, at the horrendous things that people were wishing would happen to the Garridos. Whilst possibly understandable for some to vent their anger in such a way, I could never wish such terrible things on any other human being.
That should not be interpreted that I have any compassion for them as I think that for such terrible crimes, a life sentence should mean just that, natural life.
It’s the system that is failing miserably in many cases, in not protecting the public as the main priority by releasing on parole. Some serial sex offenders should never be released, as society needs to be protected.

In many respects I can relate to nagarjuna’s postings over the past few days, but until now have been reluctant to post as I did not feel able to express my views as eloquently as he has done. I wonder how many other people have been following this blog, but have also not posted for similar reasons ?

Am I also now to be branded as a pedophile by some posters for my views ?
Just for the record I am a retired grandmother (chose to believe me or not) who’s hope is that my grandson can at some point in the future live in a far safer and peaceful world than we live in today.
For this to be achieved, as I see things, many changes need to be made to aspects of legal systems that just aren’t working to protect society, but these changes need to be made after rational, logical thought and not in response to emotions which are understandable when such terrible crimes occur.

Am I also now to be told that as I do not live in the USA, that it’s none of my business posting?
I live in the UK and have done so all my life but I don’t live in isolation. We are all part of a much wider society and laws and cultures in other countries not only affect the people living in those countries. Over the past few days I have been trying to research how certain aspects of our legal systems (UK/USA) differ, in respect to sexual offences.
It would appear that your laws regarding sexual offences are far more harsh that in the UK but there appears to be strong opinions, on either side, as to whether they are actually working or not. Despite the UK having more liberal laws, doesn’t mean that our system always works either. We also have instances where sexual offenders are released, who in many people’s opinions should never have been released and go on to re-offend, but are ever increasing harsher laws really the answer ?
More strict and effective implementation of the existing, could in many instances, be just as effective.

Steve said...

Teresa, a LEGAL WARNING, not a "pedophile threat" from a NON-pedophile.

Anonymous said...

LOL, simply unbelievable. Tiresome and uneffective. I didn't read it.

denise said...

I thought Nagarjuna said his final Goodbye.

Teresa,,,I am so fired up to get started this week. I know I will want to bang my head so many times as obstacles come my way. So many realizations that I did not think about will slap me in the face. But I want you to know that you have given me great encouragement and so much information and I thank you.

Where is goblinbee? I hope they will be here in the future. I know I will come to this page for advice and opinions. And I value everything that Teresa, goblinbee and Yes, even Nagarjuna, has said here. I wish there was a better place for our conversations to take place than this website.

Anonymous said...

Well, simply put, you can bring that on too. You posted your posts. It is very clear who and what you are. If you don't want people to know who you are, you have the ability to delete your comments. If you leave them up, you sir indicate yourself, you leave yourself open to some hacker finding out who you are, and therefore inflict upon you whatever is rightfully due to you. Threaten me all you want, as I said, I am ready for you, either way you want to approach it. I will not respond to you again, and do nothing less than scroll over your many self serving a/k/a alter egos.

Steve said...

Tara, I was going to take my leave of this forum. But now I've decided to stay.

You have courageously stated your case far more eloquently than I have mine. Both of us want to see child abusers unable to repeat their crimes and no more children victimized. But we also both want to see this accomplished sanely rather than insanely and justly rather than unjustly.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Denise: You will not be catching me giving my contact or personal information in this site. I can only suggest the dangers one would put themselves into in doing so, and hope that you understand this.

BrendaStar said...

calling someone a pedophile that is not is absolutely absurd! and not to mention very mean, rude, hostile, and down right wrong. you might not agree with someones views but to go as far as to call someone a pedophile that is having a conversation with you which I might add you have been just as aggressive and rebuttled to him/her just as much if not more then he/she has ...Can you please refrain from calling people pedophiles when you have no just cause to do so. Id really take a long hard look at all the things you have written and your passion and maybe apply it to a cause of some sort so you can get this aggression that you have out in a healthy manner. Just a suggestion. I can appreciate someone being passionate about a subject.

Steve said...

Teresa, keep on keeping on with your defamations. I'm compiling quite a collection of them. Should make it very easy to sue you into financial ruin if the need arises. So, go ahead and defame me again. :-)

denise said...

Teresa,,,you just gave me my first eye opener. You are right. The laws that we have already, that were set to protect citizens, are barely even enforced. What makes me believe that even if there were stricter laws, they would ever be enforced either.
Maybe I will change my course from going after stricter laws,,,to instead, forming posses. lol (joking)

LucyInTheSky said...

nagarjuna

Your very thoughtful comment is much appreciated and I do hope that you will stay.

LucyInTheSky said...

denise

This is a genuine question, but I would be very interested in a few more details on how you would like your existing laws to change

denise said...

Im sorry, my thanks for the eye opener was meant for TARA. I misread the name and thought Teresa wrote it.

Anonymous said...

Denise, as the laws are, they are very difficult to enforce. What they need to to is create laws that make them easier to enforce. The best place I could think of to start is to keep at least part of the punishment they were doled out upon their crime in having being sent to prison, and having all rights taken away. If they can place parole upon them when they get out, and they can prevent them from voting, then they can prevent them from ever having the right to free speech again. What would this solve? It would like stop the pedophiles from writing such as Nilax without going to prison very swiftly and quickly. It would reduce the spreading of these vile acts to others who happen upon them and for what ever demented reason, following them themselves, thus creating more vile acts and convicts for us to support.

It's not a lot, but would certainly help.

Steve said...

Denise, I agree with Tara that we might do well to improve enforcement of the laws already on the books rather than rush headlong into passing draconian laws and turning us into an Orwellian surveillance state. However, I certainly agree with you and others here that life in prison for a second or even first offense of sufficient severity would be in order, and that even capital punishment might be.

Again, my biggest problem with capital punishment for offenses of this kind is my concern over the terrible possibility of executing the innocent.

Garrido's guilt seems beyond not only "a reasonable doubt" but also beyond "a shadow of a doubt." But how do we create a judicial system that ensures that no innocent people are executed for these kinds of crimes?

Anonymous said...

Brenda, I can appreciate your view that you do not think he is a pedophile. My view is that he is. I will state it, he hurts people, he is thoughtless and callous, he had not kind word for a victim until it was forced out of him, and it took two days to get acknowledgment from him. I have no use for his kind. I already studied and am very aware of the traits and habits of a pedophile. My plight was to warn those who will be sucked into a dangerous situation. If you think I will duck out on that, you are so very wrong. It is the least I can do to prevent another vile act.

denise said...

Tara,,,it is simple really. lol

I think that murderers and rapists should be executed. There should be no parole for these persons. And I feel that second offense "other crime" criminals, should also be executed. And, although this sounds way out of line, and I realize how ridiculous it is, I also personally think that the losers in my neighborhood that pop pills and drink all day while I pick up the tab every 2 weeks, could be disposed of also.

I know it sounds maybe irrational, but I am sick and frustrated with criminals hurting ppl and drug addicts being catered to, when it can be easily avoided and stopped.

Steve said...

I grudgingly admit that Teresa has hit upon a good point. If we made it illegal not only to possess and exchange VISUAL child pornography but also VERBAL child pornography, it might help somewhat and maybe more than somewhat.

Steve said...

One more libelous statement for my collection. Keep 'em coming, Teresa.

Anonymous said...

sure.

LucyInTheSky said...

Teresa said “What they need to to is create laws that make them easier to enforce”

I have recently read several interesting articles about your Sex Offenders Register and the difficulties of implementation. Some argue that far too many people are actually on the register when their actual crime does not warrant it, thus leaving far less resources for parolees of the most serious of offences to be monitored effectively.

Would reducing the persons on the register not be a step in the right direction ?

Anonymous said...

Denise: It was you who convinced me that we must move forward to do "something" and not sit on our couches and let it go by. You are so correct. But, all I have been trying to say is that, it has to be reasonable, it has to be useful. I so understand your disgust and your statements. But putting away drugies and such away forever is simply just not plausible. You can however call the police in when you see them doing drugs. At least for a while they can be placed in jail with an opportunity of saving themselves.

Steve said...

Execute drug addicts and alcoholics? Yes, and why not execute defamers while we're at it? That would eliminate at least one more lawbreaker from our midst. :-)

Anonymous said...

Absolutely not Tara. If they are on the registry, they are a danger. But maybe it could be reduced by keeping the pedophiles off the street.

LucyInTheSky said...

Denise said
“I know it sounds maybe irrational”
I think you may have already deduced from my opening post, that I would agree with you that your thoughts in that post would be “ irrational” in the extreme

denise said...

Nagarjuna,,,welcome back, if indeed you did mean to leave for good, and I apologize if I had misunderstood that you were gone for good.

I agree with you that there will be a risk of executing innocent ppl. But what about the persons, like Garrido or the man that killed my sons mother? They are definitely guilty, without a doubt.
And can someone explain to me what kind of sense does it even make for the Garridos to enter a NOT GUILTY plea? I know criminals caught in the act normally plead NOT GUILTY. But it just doesnt make sense to me!!!

So, Nagarjuna, if it is obvious beyond a shadow of a doubt that a person is guilty of a heinous crime. Save time, money, and heartache....and get rid of them.

I am going to use an example that ppl will think is stupid, I am sure. But if you are sorting laundry, whites and colors. You throw the white tshirts straight into the whites pile, and a pair of jeans into the colors piles. When you come across a white shirt with writing on it, you sometimes have to think for a minute, before deciding where to place that item. I know that was a stupid example, but it would be the same for criminals....Throw the definitely guilty ones into their pile,,,and hold trials to decide on the other less definite ones.

Steve said...

Tara, outstanding point! As I commented previously, not all sex offenses are equivalent. A 14-year-old "playing doctor" with an 8-year-old, or a 30-year-old exposing himself to an adult female is not equivalent to, for example, a man forcibly sodomizing a little boy. There are gradations of sexual crime, and there should be corresponding gradations in the severity of the legal response to those crimes.

Anonymous said...

Denise: A not guilty plea, after admitting you did the crime is nothing less than to yet again punish us for catching him and punishing him. And/or to try to save his skin, which in this case could just not be so, as he knows his goose is finally cooked. He knew it was coming for the last few years.... couldn't stand waiting for the ball to drop, and the anxiety he was feeling so he went with his ludicrous crap to the FBI. He began this stupid blogging just after the neighbors sent the "911" police to his door. He managed talking them out of it then, but he knew the neighbors were still there and that the police will be back.

Anonymous said...

However, stupidly it was that the police didn't go back, I'll never get over. However, stupid it was that his crap given to the FBI did not cause immediate investigation, I will never know.

denise said...

Hey guys, lol....The comment about the druggies and losers being executed were my own personal thoughts. lol Really,,,I only put them there as a personal frustration. lol Please do not take me serious on that part.

Although, I have to say this, I do think our govt does cater to many ppl who knew how to "beat the system" and sponge off of hard working ppl bcoz it has been made so easy for them to do so.

A criminal mind is ingenious. And ppl will find ways to get around hard work and honesty. But our govt and country is filled with some very intelligent persons also. If greed wasnt such a main factor, maybe we wouldnt be having conversations in this blog now.

LucyInTheSky said...

Teresa said
Absolutely not Tara. If they are on the registry, they are a danger. But maybe it could be reduced by keeping the pedophiles off the street

All of them ? How can 2 consenting teenagers being placed on the register be a danger to others ?
Have you read some of the informative articles on-line where analyses have been made as to who actually on the register is a serious danger to the public.

Anonymous said...

We have laws. The laws were followed to place them on the registry or the wouldn't be there. Aside from this, how many known pedophiles do you know that claim they did something wrong? Believe them if you want, but they are on the registry for a reason. Whether it was the act itself, date rape, or vile acts reported, leading the law to believe they should be on the registry. They are.

LucyInTheSky said...

teresa

What would be your comment on the 2 consenting teenagers scenario in my previous post ?
Should they be on the register and are they a danger to the public ?

Steve said...

Denise, no, you didn't misunderstand me. I had intended to leave after my post last night. But I guess you could say that Teresa persuaded me to stay. :-) She and my realization over the course of the night that I can remain here and contribute substantively to an important discussion and do it with heightened sensitivity toward good people such as yourself and Star who have a very personal stake in the issue.

I suppose there can be a legitimate difference of opinion on the issue, but I believe that it is less terrible to let a thousand guilty go free, even if some of them re-offend, than it is to execute even one innocent person. And because I hold this opinion, I am extremely circumspect about applying the death penalty to a larger body of crimes.

My chief concern is that I don't know how you codify certainty of guilt into the law. Yes, we can plainly see that Garrido is guilty as charged. But what objective criteria do we write into the law to establish that someone has met them and that, by meeting them, they are unquestionably guilty?

That is, what kind of EVIDENCE of guilt is necessary? Eyewitness testimony? Psychological studies show that eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable? Forensic evidence? What kind, and producing what degree of certainty? How do we know that the evidence was analyzed correctly, that the claimed certainty is accurate, or even that the evidence hasn't been handled improperly by incompetent, negligent, overzealous, or even malicious law enforcement personnel? What is it about the guilt of a Garrido that we can draw objective standards of guilt from such that when those standards are met, we can be sufficiently certain of guilt that we can impose the death penalty without ANY fear of having made a horrendous mistake?

denise said...

Tara,,,I agree with you that we need to reduce the number of persons on the registry. There are so many men on the registry because they had consentual sex with girls in their late teens. If the girl has a problem eventually that she had the sex. I think they should go after her parents and see how they raised their child in the first place.
I see too many cases of this, where the parents actually are partiers, and they are aware that their daughter is with the man. And report a rape only after they get into it with the "child molester" over drugs or money.

Anonymous said...

Is it against the law for 2 consenting teenagers to have sex. Each state is different. If the law was violated, it must be enforced. Who are we to pick and choose who gets a slap on the wrist and who does not. Furthermore, I do not believe anyone was placed the list inappropriately. I am down on our government for a piss poor job of protecting us, I am certainly not going to accuse them of falsely placing an "innocent child" on the registry. What would that serve, it is so unlikely, it is pathetic. If it were true, there would be many attorneys working to get them removed from the registry.

Anonymous said...

Denise: Are you proposing that we put the parents in prison. God knows are children have minds of their own, to which many parents cannot control because the government here to, has taken away rights of a parent to raise their children without threat of abuse.

Your boys are young. There will come a day, when everything (at least for a short while) that you have taught them will by lost to the wind.

Steve said...

"Who are we to pick and choose who gets a slap on the wrist and who does not?"

Who are we, as a civilized people, NOT to make this choice? Our laws and the sentences for violating them should rest on genuine justice, fostered by our ability to make wise discriminations between the actual severity of crimes within a broad category such as "sex offense" and not by public hysteria.

LucyInTheSky said...

Teresa said
“Is it against the law for 2 consenting teenagers to have sex. Each state is different. If the law was violated, it must be enforced”

Agreed, but what I was interested in was your opinion on the actual law, especially in states such as California where I believe the age of consent is 18.

Is it really realistic in the 21st century for the lives of 2 teenagers, say 17 years old, to effectively be ruined for the rest of their lives by being placed on the sex offenders register.

Anonymous said...

A little more re: teenagers and sex and the registry. I do not tend to believe anyone on the list that they did not do the crime to be placed. I do not understand why a police officer would give the benefit of the doubt to a pedophile on the list without checking to their records to confirm. As I wrote of before, this happened to me. A convicted sex offender was thrown in prison for violently date raping a 17 year old, when he was 22. He had been in my house when I wasn't home, he had been stalking me. When the police told me I must call them rather than reporting his actions, I did. When the police came, he simply had to say, it was consensual sex. The police, given a copy of his Tier 3 status took him at his word, that this was true therefore the act upon which I called them on was reduced in their eyes, and he was not arrested. If you ask me, it is just simply to much paperwork why some of these guys get away.

Steve said...

Tara, furthermore, is it "really realistic" or just in the 21st century for, say, a 20-year-old man to have his life irreparably ruined from having consensual sex with a 17-year-old female?

Anonymous said...

This can also be seen again in Garrido's first rape. The cops came, he went to the door, the victim came flying out completely naked. She accused him of rape, the cop did nothing to protect himself or the victim for quite some time. Rather, he sent the victim and the pedophile back, together by themselves to get dressed. Doesn't anyone find that despicable and negligent? I dare say they would have, if Garriddo would have had the balls and aforethought to hold her at gunpoint from that point on, or worse yet, kill her.

denise said...

Teresa,,,my ideas on the parents being to blame come from the things I have seen in raising my daughter. Yes. I have 3 young sons in home. But I also have a daughter aged 23. She now is married with a child of her own and one on the way. I thank God that she is not on the welfare and she waited to do things the right way. I was raised so harshly that I wouldnt dare have sex in my teens for fear of what my father would have done to me. My daughter wasnt raised so hard, but I was very strict. She maybe would have had sex, but I never gave her the chance to run the streets. Her friends, on the other hand, were so promiscous, and I seen alot of their parents were on drugs and partied.

My daughter had a best friend. She wanted to stay the night at her house. So I went to meet the mother. First of all, the mother was getting ready to go out and my daughter would be left with the uncle. Second, my daughters friend sat in the living room with hickeys all over her neck, smoking a cigarrette, (at the age of 15) and telling her mother what she AINT GONNA DAMN DO!! Next enters the 16 yr old boy cousin of the girl, asking if theres something to drink. The mother said, I think your dad drank all of the beer, there is a wine cooler in the fridge.
Well, I of course brought my daughter straight back home as I am the most evil mother in the world that "doesnt understand or trust" my children. Two weeks later, the girl and her mother were accusing a friend of the family of child molestation on the girl. That man now has to register, because the girl was too promiscuous and the mother obviously allowed it. But, at the same time, I believe that the girl couldnt be so promiscuous if men like the accused refused to touch her. But I do not personally believe the accused man would be a danger to live next door to.

Oh, and the icing to this true and factual story to the very end. Now the daughter and mother are both pregnant at the same time by the same man. (not by the accused child molester, but a different man)

Anonymous said...

Yes. Effectively ruined by their own doing. 15, 16 and 17 year olds are able to know right from wrong. Furthermore, as we all have been forced to learn time and time again. A pedophile does not change. As each pedophile, no matter how old, progresses through life, their crimes only become more vile. They need to stay on the list so the community is aware when they are near them and their children.

LucyInTheSky said...

nagarjuna
“Tara, furthermore, is it "really realistic" or just in the 21st century for, say, a 20-year-old man to have his life irreparably ruined from having consensual sex with a 17-year-old female?

In the UK the scenario that you have mentioned would not be a criminal offence in any manner. Also the majority of the public would not even consider that it would be abnormal behaviour.
This is a perfect example of where our laws differ in many ways.

LucyInTheSky said...

teresa

Your last post did not answer the question I posed

"Agreed, but what I was interested in was your opinion on the actual law, especially in states such as California where I believe the age of consent is 18"

Steve said...

There are different degrees of knowing that something is wrong, and, in normal people, these degrees progress with age and experience. I do not think that two minors having consensual sex or even someone barely out of his or her teens having consensual sex with someone only a little younger is necessarily a "pedophile." And, in any case, the sentence should be proportional to the crime and not totally and unjustly out of proportion to it. That is the TRUE intent of the biblical injunction of "an eye for an eye."

Steve said...

Tara, hooray for the UK! :-)

denise said...

Teresa,,,I cannot agree that a 17 year old boy that has consentual sex with a 17 year old girl is a child molester. And if he has committed a crime, so also, has the girl.

Anonymous said...

Denise: I understand what you meant. But it isn't plausible again. Not all parents are bad. The majority are very loving parents and treat their child well. It is innate, children grow up, blame it on hormones if you will, they want to get out on their own and will listen to nothing as they force their way forward. Nothing holds them back, the world is suddenly new to them, and they begin to believe what their parents taught them was bull until they learn for themselves. We can only pray they do not get mixed up with the negatives of life. But as our government does not protect us adequately, and the more criminals are on the streets, our kids find them before they get a chance to safely go through this. May I should just say, it is more difficult for them to get through this without some creep infecting their life in one way or another.

Steve said...

"And if he has committed a crime, so also, has the girl."

Absolutely, positively!

Anonymous said...

I didn't say that he was a molester. I said their are laws. Judges just don't arbitrarily put "innocent children" on the registry list. There is a lot more to it than that. You will not find that truth from a pedophile. Nor will you find that truth in sealed records of the Court.

Anonymous said...

If you were not there during the act. You don't know, and as long as they were minors, you will never know unless you chose to believe someone who was accused of being a rapist, a pedophile, a stalker or anyone. Are you willing to let them off the list to violate someone. They must be responsible for themselves. If nothing, the law gave them that right when they took the rights of parents away.

denise said...

I thought about what Nagarjuna and others said about if we execute criminals, it would dehumanize the executioner/s. It made me think about soldiers during war.

I think this is all giving me a headache. Or maybe it is the fact that Medicare will not pay for disabled and elderly ppl to receive in home care, but my neighbors have a "free maid" that Medicaid pays for, even though they never worked a day in their lives, and they sit at that stupid picnic table all day. So I spent 8 hours yesterday cleaning my friends kitchen and dishes bcoz she is very disabled and living with her disabled son. (Medicare is the reason I bother my Congresswomans office several times a week with calls and emails.) Another thing that I wish could be changed in this country.
I do not receive medicare yet, but I think 5 years before I reach the age of Medicare, I will sign anything I own over to my daughter, pop some pills, and tip up a bottle of tequila.

Anonymous said...

Denise: Hopefully Obama's health plans will address your issue. The community wants to disgrace him, but I don't, he is trying and exactly for what pains you and so many others. It will be difficult in any health care plan or social welfare to stop the lazy people of the world. But also, do you know these people, and what they claim their reason behind this is? I am not saying go over and subject yourself to what might be dangerous, but disabled people do turn to alcohol and drugs just like any working stiff. It is after all a pretty miserable life to be disabled. Not making excuses for anyone, just an observation of them. All the same, I don't like paying their way, when I have less for what I work for also.

denise said...

Teresa,,,you said, basically, there will come the day when my sons will rebel. Well, one of my sons is 13. He is already going through the change and it is sometimes scary, lol. I have called the police on him before for not coming home directly after school each day. They told me "Beat his ass!" I said, I do and I just did last night. They said, "Beat his ass again"
There was another occasion that my son screamed in my face, and blocked me each time I tried to hit him in the shoulder. When he fell into the sofa, I picked up a candle jar and threatened to break his face with it. The police showed up the next day. They listened to what I had to say, told me all was OK, and they left.

I am never going to be intimidated by the police about my children. There are no police officers or judges or social workers accompanying me to the schools, hospitals, malls, drs. offices, parks, or Church for my children. If they cant help me while Im raising my sons, they certainly are nobody to tell me how to raise my sons.

LucyInTheSky said...

denise

Children learn by example

Anonymous said...

Denise: You are lucky, reminds me of teenage rebellion at my home. You never know what you will get from city to city, state to state, or cop to cop. I never threatened my kids but once attempted to make my oldest pick up/clean up a bowl of water and rice with butter I was trying to get into the microwave. He screamed and fought like crazy, abuse, abuse, abuse. It didn't get him anywhere, but the fact remained, he wasn't himself anymore, and I wasn't about to take a chance trying to force anymore when I had another who needed me and who was still willing to abide by rules. I was very fortunate to have them both turn out well, and both responsible citizens and loving men.

It is not a fun thing to go through when you don't have any support. My prayers are with you on this one too!

Anonymous said...

Denise: I missed your post about your daughter and her friend. I see your point, but I also see, whose fault was it that the girl had sex with this man ultimately becoming pregnant. Certainly it was the adult man's fault, and yes, it may have been the girl's fault also, but it was most definitely the mother's fault as well. Maybe she don't put them together on purpose, but she certainly was violating every law, misleading this young girl and her ways of life. Some would say she is as responsible, the Courts will take into account how much of reality she was exposed to and how much of this neglect she was exposed to in determining how to charge this man or anyone else (I hope they charged the mother) (?). It doesn't matter how the girl carried herself. The adult man had to have known better. But his wants, no matter the gravity, he took advantage anyway. Cold, heartless, selfish. The girl will have troubles for the rest of her life and may end up abusing others now. If she does, she should be classified as anyone else. Hopefully, someone had the common decency to get her out of that home and some help.

denise said...

Teresa,,,yes I know many of the persons that are on disability. My own friend that I helped yesterday is very deserving of assistance. Her son is mentally disabled, and she has diabetes that is difficult to control and she has some problems with 7 parts of her back. But she worked until it was no longer possible, so she receives a few hundred dollars over the poverty level. She is not eligible for Medicaid. And Medicare will not pay for many things that Medicaid will pay for.

Then I have the cousin that does drugs. As soon as she found out that there is a doctor in this small town to pass out script narcotics, she was there crying depression. She worked the system and today DAEOC pays her rent and electricity every month. She receives a welfare check, food stamps and medicaid. She is 31 years old and receives a medicaid-paid In-Home Aide to clean her house for her. Her next move was to run her 3 yr old to the doctor and say he hits her and is uncontrollable, as soon as she found out that if your child has ADHD, you can receive a check on him or her also. The child gets pumped full of mind altering drugs and is labeled now.

One of my best friends is the supervisor for the DAEOC program. DAEOC does much community service such as homeless shelters, paying electric bills, paying rent, school supplies, etc.
Well, one of my friends came into the office to get her bill paid for. She does not work. Her I-PHONE rang. She answered it and here is her side of the conversation.
"Oh yeah, girl. I called you earlier. I am down here at the DAEOC office so they can pay my electric bill and I wanted to know if you could go sit at my house. They are about to deliver my big screen tv"

And my picnic table neighbors in particular. Yes, I know them to an extent. They have tried to flirt with me before. So they have tried to tell me all of the "good" in them. They are hard workers, they say. They are in their 30s. (Not 20s as I incorrectly suspected) And they come towards my house to ask me for cigarrettes, rides, can they cut my grass for $30? No? Then $20? No? Ok. How about $5? I tell them to go back down the street, and do not come here again. Teresa, I do not fear my neighbors. They make me sick, not scare me. lol They are crackheads, but I come from a rough background, I can hold my own. I have seen enough in my lifetime to know that there is too much abuse in the welfare system. And there is too much neglect for our elderly and legitimate disabled persons.

Anonymous said...

I see your strength Denise. Not a judgment or anything. But in that kind of neighborhood, when your boys are at this age now. I think the best thing you can do for them is move away, at any cost. To much around them when they will be rebelling your every attempt to control what is likely to come your direction.

Anonymous said...

LOL. Justin just pointed out my error. I wrote: I never threatened my kids but once attempted to make my oldest pick up/clean up a bowl of water and rice with butter I was trying to get into the microwave. He screamed and fought like crazy, abuse, abuse, abuse.

I attempted to make him clean up/pick up what he threw across the room while I was trying to get it into the microwave.

Anonymous said...

yeah, he can laugh about it now.

denise said...

Tara,,,Yes, children learn by example. My sons would be eligible for Medicaid, and quite possibly other assistance such as food stamps. I absolutely refuse to get these things, as I want to raise my sons that if you want to eat, you must work. And if you want to eat good, you better have a good education so you can get the best paying jobs. I also lie to my children. Little lies like they are allergic to smoke. Nurses have looked at me funny when I tell them "cigarrette smoke" when they ask if my child has any allergies. I also threaten my children sometimes. Because I know that one day, like Teresa said, there will come a day when my sons will want to challenge me. (They are already bigger than I am) And I want to instill respect into them before that happens. Well, actually, my one son has already tried a few times. Its scary. I have to find the balance between letting him grow up and still maintaining my authority over him.
I sometimes see parents that have seemingly mental conditions also. You know the parents that are not very smart? They want their children to be good, but just do not have the mental capacity to direct and discipline them. Well, I live in the midwest. I am not stereotyping, but I am from California originally and I have seen differences in ppl. here and there.

Anonymous said...

Respect won't come from threats. If nothing as a mother, I learned it is trust that gains their respect.

Anonymous said...

I am off to do more research and housework for the day.

LucyInTheSky said...

denise

Parenting is the hardest job in the world to get right, to eventually be able to look at your offspring and know that they are law-abiding and acceptable members of society.

I only have experience of raising 1 daughter, luckily with a husband for support.
Everyone has their own opinions/methods of parenting, but I feel it is a very fine dividing line where the level of discipline crosses over to violence or even threats of such.
Ultimately whatever your method, all will reflect on society as a whole.
Violence just breeds violence, in my opinion.

denise said...

Teresa,,,I am sorry, but did you not, in one of your first comments here, state that the police had advised you to move away from your Tier 3 neighbor? You said yourself how difficult that would be. You think I chose this location on accident because I thought it would be a great place to raise my sons and now I am realizing I might have made a mistake? lol
I do not worry that my sons will be raised here. I wish we could have a great beautiful house in a nice quiet neighborhood that the neighbors didnt ask to borrow sugar, and when you get them a cup, they say NAH, I NEED MORE SUGAR, IM MAKING KOOLAID. Then 5 minutes later come back to ask if you have any koolaid packs.
Do not get me wrong. I have many friends in this neighborhood. Many of them are productive, working and decent ppl even. I actually would hate to live in a rich neighborhood where my family would be considered the "black sheep" on the block, and we wouldnt quite fit in.
Teresa, you are such a caring and big hearted person. Please do not worry, we will be fine. My sons, even my mixed baby, will never run the streets. I have already informed them that as long as they are my sons, they will never be allowed at a party when they are even 17. They are not serving cake and ice cream at those parties. I sometimes have to plead with my sons to behave better. After I explain to them how difficult it is to raise them on my own, and I remind them of all the difficulties I have and all the things I try to provide them with. They calm down for awhile.

I think it is wonderful that you and your son can laugh at things that were so drastic in the past. I am blessed that me and my daughter can also look back and laugh. And she can now admit that, although she hated it at the time, she is glad I raised her the way I did. I hope it will be the same with my sons one day.
My mother and I can rarely see eye to eye. I love her so much, but so much of our past is just too hurtful and can never make sense.

Anonymous said...

Wow...so many posts since I was here last; it has taken me a while to catch up.

I found this news video clip that was disturbing, for several reasons. Most alarming was the section that starts at minute 2:26. Could the neighbor be for real? Or is he just making stuff up because he is getting paid to provide details?

http://cbs5.com/video/?id=54682@kpix.dayport.com

Anonymous said...

Denise, we were talking about me, not my grown kids who no longer live with me. If my kids were still young, impressionable, we would have been out of here in a heart beat. My statement was not a judgment against you, it was a suggestion for you. This age you stated that they are in, is very rebellious to you, and very impressionable, and includes a lot of peer pressure. This will be tough on them in the neighborhood you described.

denise said...

Tara,,,lol, It IS the most difficult task to raise kids in the correct manner. I know I make mistakes, but I try so hard to do what is right for them. And, knowing that I am doing what I feel is THE VERY BEST FOR THEM, I do not feel the need to fear the police where my kids are concerned. I understand exactly what you are saying about the fine line between abuse and discipline. My best friends 5 month old son was beaten to death by his own father. So I understand the need for child abuse laws. But I think that if a parent knows they are doing right by their children, then they should keep their head held high and have strong confidence when a child calls the police on them bcoz they got disciplined.

You said, Ultimately whatever your method, all will reflect on society as a whole.
And I totally agree. My sons have great futures ahead of them, they are so brilliant. Right now, they are going through puberty. What a tricky thing, puberty. It can so easily destroy a persons future if you are not very careful. My son is starting to have problems in school right now. I am praying to get him through this little "stage" hes going through right now. It is truly scary for me to think that I can lose my son and his entire future, to whatever lunatic stage that boys go through to become men.
And violence? My father used to kick me in the face with his boots. I can compare him to the mother in the movie Carrie. That lady was crazy and abusive, while trying to instill some beliefs into her child. My father beat us and at the same time tried to teach us religion, respect, and to be honest and productive. (All the while, he was riding with the Hells Angels and selling drugs)

I do not know how, or even if I am correct about it, but I think I turned out pretty good. lol I grew up surrounded by violence, but I am not a violent person. I am overly caring, as a matter of fact. I care about everything that I see is wrong in this world. I am even a vegetarian because there is so much abuse and waste on animals.

Steve said...

Denise, once again, I grudgingly agree with Teresa. I don't know if it's even close to being financially feasible for you to move to a better neighborhood. But if it is, I urge you to move away from where you are now. Peer pressure can be tremendously influential, and it sounds to me as though you definitely don't want the kind of influence exerted on your children that is likely to be if you continue to stay where you are now. To put it bluntly and, perhaps, with excessive uncharitableness, it sounds as though your neighborhood is something of a rat's nest.

denise said...

Teresa,,,I did not feel you were judging me. My sons do not run the streets. They wouldnt be allowed to run the streets in any neighborhood. I think it is good for them to be raised here, in a way. They get to see both sides of the fence, I guess you can say. They have many friends, of every nationality, financial status, mental status, etc. They are seeing what is real in the world, good and bad. But they never run the streets. I wish you guys could know my sons. They are good boys. But puberty!!! OH MY GOSH!! It turns little boys into monsters. I am, however, considering moving to Lima, Peru. I havent moved there already, because of my sons educations.

Steve said...

But then my neighborhood is hardly a social utopia in its own right. :-) Fortunately, so far as this subject's concerned, I have no children to worry about being corrupted by bad influences.

denise said...

Nagarjuna, a rats nest would be a step up. lol I live in "the hood". lol We are surrounded by the worst, and also the best of people here. My sons actually get most of their influential peer pressure from across town with their friends in the better neighborhoods. They do not hang out with the kids in this neighborhood. Some of the boys from around here will come to the yard. And my sons will speak with them for awhile. And I have had to run some of the boys off, but others were so respectful and from good homes. It is not the influences of rap, drugs and criminal activities from my neighborhood that my sons have picked up. They have acquired interests in rock and roll, those ugly skulls that came in style (which they are not allowed to own) and violent video games. Oh, yes. And girls.

Steve said...

Yes, Goblinbee, this joint's been a jumpin' since your previous comment. Good to see you back, and I'm glad I decided to stay.

LucyInTheSky said...

Denise
I certainly admire your determination to do right by your children.
To escape the vicious circle of abuse and not allow it to pass from generation to generation must be the hardest thing in the world.
I really do think that this is key to making our society a safer place to live in and reducing crime.

denise said...

goblinbee, Welcome back, and can you tell me some key words to type so I can google and find what you posted? I cannot, for the life of me, figure out how to copy and paste the links posted here. This is the 3rd or 4th time I have tried to look at a link here, and it doesnt work for me. :(

Steve said...

Glad things aren't as bad for your sons as they could be, Denise. I hope it stays that way, although I wouldn't rule out a move to Lima sooner than you planned. Why there, if I may ask?

LucyInTheSky said...

Nagarjuna said
“I grudgingly agree with Teresa”

LOL I think we both just have to accept that there are many things that you and I will never agree on with Teresa and as such accept it as it is.

LucyInTheSky said...

Denise
The video link that goblinbee posted contained comment from a neighbour about “parties” occuring at Garrido’s house.

This was also reported in the UK press as such
“Mike Rogers, a neighbour with a partial view of Garrido’s yard, said he had heard wild all-male parties going on there.
“They would be drinking and there would be guys high fiving each other and there was always a bonfire. It was crazy,” he said.
Mr Rogers said he saw racous guests, who looked Mexican, lining up outside a tent in the garden. He believed they might have hired prostitutes but felt it was none of his business.

denise said...

Nagarjuna,,,in Lima, Peru, there are no food stamps, no welfare checks. They do not even have one single Nursing Home in Lima. lol Ok. This is all true to the best of my knowledge, but it is not the reason that I want to move there. Lima, Peru is beautiful. There is a beautiful ocean coast there. The laws are so strict there, nobody really owns a gun. The biggest fear in Lima, as I could see, would be getting ran over by a taxi. lol. The people are so poor there, but have the most beautiful personalities. And the main reason would be, of course, that I am in love. :) My fiance and I have tried to bring him here for the past 4 years. We have known each other for 5 years. We have met every requirement of the INS, and they took all of our money and kept sending us here and there and requesting more and more, until they drained us. It will be more simple for me and my sons to be with him there. I would like to move there for only 6 months or a year. For one thing, it would give my sons a break from the life here in USA. And it would be a great cultural experience for them to look back on. But, if I went there, I would no longer have my job here. And I couldnt meet the financial requirements to ever bring him here. I can already hear your lashings towards me for trying to bring (a human being) into (our) country. I respect your opinions as your own feelings. But I have much debate in me on this subject, if you care to start on that topic next. lol If I do not move to Lima, we will start all over again in March of next year, with new attorneys, and more information and experience and knowledge.

denise said...

Thank you Tara. I had seen that video already. And it really just sickens me to think of those men lined up. And to know that it was not willing prostitutes trying to make some money there.

LucyInTheSky said...

denise
It made me shudder too. It really makes me wonder what further horrors are yet to be revealed.

Anonymous said...

Denise, could you try typing the address by hand into your address bar? I can't remember the trail I took to get to that video--you know how one link leads to another. But maybe I will try to search and find it again and pay more attention to my trail.

The part people are referring to also says the neighbor would occasionally hear a woman screaming. I am sitting here wishing I wasn't human if this behavior is indicitive of my species. That it was going on, and that the neighbor didn't report it.

denise said...

The entire time that I was raising my daughter, I would have anxiety attacks of something happening to her. She would be in school, and I would think about someone stealing her. Then I would think of all the torture they could put my daughter through. And I would have true panic attacks. I would start crying. Then I would go to the school and peek in on my daughter to make sure she was safe. We lived in downtown Sacramento, and she had to walk right across the street to catch the bus. She wanted to be a "big girl" and walk alone. I allowed her to, while I ran behind her, ducking in the bushes and behind buildings and cars to keep an eye on her. I havent thought about this in a long time. Goblinbee's link just reminded me of just how protective I was of my little girl. And how scared I was each and every day that someone would hurt my baby. I am not placing blame on Jaycees parents. I am saying that I am just now starting to really feel how awful it must have been for them. And how much more horrible, if they ever have to see goblinbee's link. It is so sad.

Anonymous said...

Denise, I see that you already saw the video. And do not even get me started on the idea of "willing prostitutes." We live in a patriarchy, and women are the sex class. I call them prostituted women, not prostitutes, and that is another part of the video that freaked me out. That news source (and every other news source that has reported on the case) has said that law enforcement has been trying to link Garrido with the deaths of a number of prostitutes in the early 90s. They never refer to them as women, NEVER. The message is clear.

Also, Garrido's dad making excuses for his son (drugs and a head injury). Puh-leez.

denise said...

Well, like I said earlier, I come from a rough background. I have known prostitutes. Actually, when my daughter and I lived downtown, my neighbor was a prostitute. She worked from home, had a personal clientele of about 5 men. She did not walk the streets, and she raised her daughter like a normal mother would. You would have never known my friend was a prostitute. I also, on the other hand, have seen prostitutes that are in that profession due to drugs. Then there are the prostitutes that were abused and either forced to do their duties, or their self esteem is so crushed that they feel they have no choice. I have never been a prostitute or sold my services in that manner. Many times I have been pressured towards prostitution, but it is something that I could never do. I am sure it was due to my fathers strictness while I was growing up (thank goodness) that I never allowed myself to make that quick buck.
Yes, you are right. They do not refer to them as women. But I think that, considering the nature of the case, it is maybe important to stress the fact that the persons they are searching for were in the sex industry? And also, I think that if a "bunch of Nuns" had disappeared during this time, they would have called them just that way, as Nuns.

Actually, I do not think the dad is making excuses. He is cooperating with the police in telling them things that had occurred in his sons younger years. Most likely, because they had asked. The dad said Phillip is crazy and some other bad things about his son. The father stated that there was a big difference in his son after he had bumped his head and started using LSD. He said his son went crazy after that and he (the dad) didnt seem to be too thrilled about it. He didnt even speak with his son for 20 years.

Steve said...

"I think we both just have to accept that there are many things that you and I will never agree on with Teresa and as such accept it as it is.

Tara, yes, and also acknowledge that we probably agree with her on many more things than we disagree on. I was watching a replay of an interview with the Dalai Lama on a CNN talk show today, and I was reminded of his very Buddhist view that we are all one and that a pathway to the reduction of human conflict lies in our grasping the fact that, as human beings, we share an overwhelming number of biological, psychological, and, for want of a better word, spiritual traits in common, and we all ultimately desire to love and be loved, to be safe and have our basic needs fulfilled, and to be happy. You, I, and Teresa all share this nature and these fundamental needs and desires.

It's all too easy to lose sight of this in the heat of disagreement over hot button issues like what we're discussing here, especially when you're being wrongfully called a pedophile. :-)

Ordinarily, I'm of the mind that false insults reflect on the person who directs them and not on the person at whom they're directed. But just as everyone here would presumably acknowledge that child abuse falls into an especially odious category, so does a child abuser. Indeed, it is such an odious category that inspires so much blinding hatred and irrationality, as we've seen in overabundance here, that such accusations should be made only when certifiably true and never when false. The risk of damaging someone's reputation and livelihood and perhaps even imperiling their lives is much too great too take that risk.

And the thing I'm most disappointed about here is that almost no one seems to understand this and to take Teresa to stern task for what she's been doing. Her behavior in this regard should simply not be tolerated, and she should be ostracized by her peers unless and until she makes amends.

Having said that, I DO subscribe to the Dalai Lama's view that we are all essentially one.

Steve said...

Denise, I have the best wishes for you and your fiance. You won't get any "debate" from me about bringing your fiance to this country. My own wife is a Thai national whom I met while she was here on a student visa, we eventually married, and now she's an American citizen.

I can empathize with your thoughts about moving to Peru. I have thoughts of moving with my wife to Thailand. Thailand has much beauty and many beautiful people. But it also has serious drawbacks that, when compared with this country, make me still prefer to live here than there.

Steve said...

Goblinbee, I haven't seen the video yet. But I am all for calling so-called prostitutes "sex workers" instead and for legalizing their livelihood. As much exploitation and worse as there may be in the so-called sex trade, I believe that adult females and, for that matter, males and transgendered people should not be prohibited by law from earning a living from their sexual services any more than they should be barred from profiting from any other labor from which they can now legally profit.

And, perhaps, if sex work were legalized all over, it would come to have less of a dark side than it does now.

LucyInTheSky said...

Nagarjuna

I am in full agreement with you that Teresa’s accusations about you are totally unacceptable even in the world of cyberspace.
In this environment we are all but words on a computer screen. One make’s one’s own decisions whether to accept other posters at face value or not.
Even if you have doubts it is just not acceptable in my view to make and post accusations based on the unknown.

denise said...

Well, Nagarjuna, when I read you and Teresa, I think that you are 2 adults disagreeing. If she thinks that you are a pedophile, I would have no grounds to "ostracize" her. I never have thought that you are a pedophile, so Teresas remarks didnt have any affect on me. That seemed kind of juvenile for you to request everyone to shun Teresa because she called you a name. lol
I understand the repercussions it could cause a person to be called a pedophile, even mistakenly or as a malicious lie. It would be the same if my neighbors thought I was a snitch, I guess.
And hey, we have all tolerated you. :) (wink) lol

Steve said...

Denise, am I being "juvenile" for suggesting that you at least take Tersa to stern task for accusing me of what she has? I don't think so. I honestly believe that it is as bad if not worse, morally if not legally, thant what Nilax has done here. It, like pedophilic postings and child abuse, is simply inexcusable even if, like pedohilic postings and child abuse, explicable psychodynamically. Therefore, it should not be tolerated.

There seems to be a suggestion that Teresa's and my behavior are simply opposite sides of the same relatively harmless, if mildly unsightly coin. Again, I don't think there's any equivalence whatsoever. Her libelous accusations vastly exceed my insensitivity and merit the appropriate response. A response that is decidedly NOT indifference.

But, for reasons I can't quite fathom, you appear to disagree. And I suppose that's where things are going to stay.

denise said...

But Nagarjuna, it just sounded to me like kids on a schoolyard for a minute. Teresa called me a name, dont be her friend anymore. lol Im sorry. I just found it kind of humorous.
On Teresas part, I do not agree with her. But I cant be angry at her for calling you a name. The same as I am not angry at you for thinking Garrido should be allowed to call off sick on the day of his execution.
I do wish that all of us could just get along though. Honestly. I have said things that ppl got a little hostile about, I just kept on keeping on, like you said. :)

denise said...

Oh. And one more thing. Had Teresa directed to me that you are a pedophile, I would have then stopped her in her tracks. I am sorry that she called you the way she did. I truly hope she does not believe what she says. But while reading some of the things that you wrote that sparked her to say such a thing, I could see where she felt cause to say it. What I am saying is that, if I went back and found the times that you would say something, and Teresa called you a pedophile for it. I believe the passage that you wrote at the time would give half the ppl the same feelings as Teresa. And the other 50% of ppl the feelings that I have about you.
But I agree with Tara, and to accuse someone of anything without 100% proof, is not right.

Anonymous said...

Denise I think you are a very nice person for trying to defend me. I will take it from your words alone that that is what is happening. As I stated many times before, I will no longer respond to Nagarjuna. I will not respond to his alter egos either. To tell you the truth, I expected for him to do this. I could care less. I know his kind, I know he would call on his alter egos and quite possibly a friends. Nothing I said in here was unbalanced, It is all logical, it has been experienced in the Courts. I have nothing to feel ashamed of, and I really could care less if Nagarjuna works the masses with his childish backstabbing to try to convince people of anything about me. My words are here, plain and clear. Nonetheless, so are his.

I will stay around, and I will interject when I see fit and I will keep pointing his ways out to others I feel are being harmed heading for danger.

denise said...

Well, I think I will go away for a couple of days to avoid all the mess that is going on right now. This is not what I came here for. I actually do not know why I came here, but I do know why I continue to come back. And this mess of Nagarjuna and Teresa is not the reason. Together, ALL OF US, were having an important discussion. Each person here was making some valid and informative comments. We do not all have to agree. But to start getting spiteful and hateful is so not necessary.
I will return in a few days if I have anything new to contribute here. Good luck to each and every one of you. I have learned so much from all of you and I appreciate you all so much. God bless you all.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Denise.

LucyInTheSky said...

denise
It will be a pity if you do disappear, but I can understand why.
Unfortunately some people cannot agree to differ, if they are so set in their ways and not open minded and prepared to listen to others opinions.
I think we all have something to offer. Discussion is a way forward to try to make things better

Anonymous said...

I was joking when I said I was Nagarjuna's alter ego (after Teresa suggested that we were the same person). I did not know of his existence before a few days ago, and we have had no contact other than through this blog.

Nagarjuna, I don't think that people's silence on the subject necessarily means that they're indifferent. They may just not want to give certain people or certain topics attention, as in, they may not want to "dignify them with a response."

David said...

"Something brand new has taken place."

Yeah, you got arrested. I know you're not going to read this but I hope they put you in the worst prison in the US.

Steve said...

"it just sounded to me like kids on a schoolyard for a minute. Teresa called me a name, dont be her friend anymore."

Denise, I understand where you're coming from. But here's how I see it. It's one thing to call a person a jerk or a*shole or something like that. It's quite another to falsely accuse someone HERE of all places of being a pedophile, and to do it over and over and over again. She didn't say something like, "The way this guy keeps telling us that we shouldn't be so hard on pedophiles and keeps criticizing us for venting out outrage at Garrido, I have to wonder if he isn't a pedophile himself. I mean, why else would he stick around here saying the things he's saying?" No, she categorically and repeatedly said, "You're a pedophile" and "He's a pedophile." That's very, very wrong and goes light years beyond the kind of name calling to which you alluded.

I wasn't urging that anyone refuse to be Teresa's friend, but simply that they make it very clear to her that she's stepped over the line and should make amends. That's what being a real friend entails in a situation like this, and what an adult with real decency and integrity should be expected to do.

I guess you don't see it that way, and it sounds like Goblinbee doesn't either. Nevertheless, I still respect you both and am enjoying our discussion.

Unknown said...

I guess I have to explain myself. In the stories that I write, I was actually the child. When I was small, similar things have happened to me and it felt good. Honestly, it was really good. Now I write these stories to remember how good it felt.

Rabbiner said...

DIE DIE DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Anonymous said...

Nilax: You are one sick liar. You are a perfect example why people flip out in these blogs. You deserve to have someone flip out on you in person.

Anonymous said...

It is good to know Willman wasn't the only moral hacker.

Unknown said...

OMG I read Denise wanted to share her email address in here - how bizarre!!!!! do we really have to wonder how pedophiles get to their victims.

I am so appalled by some of the things said in this site - I do not know where to begin --- Nilax, you are a perfect example of the disgust in the hearts of every non-pedophile these past few weeks - that is, everyone capable of getting past sex, and who realize life is more than dogs going at it - your words are unimaginable coming from a human being, but untruthful - Do you tell this to your victims - that they will enjoy it - are you trying to say that the victims of these disgusting crimes enjoy this - is that why this makes it okay with you to post such disgusting crap.

To all the despicable sympathizers. You deserve Nilax to enter your life, but please do not forget to come back and tell us of your sympathy and leniency you wish for him once he is done with you.

Nagarjuna, you are the biggest whining nothingness of them all - you work so hard at deceiving and playing the idiotic "illness" card for argument sake - WTF - If I didn't believe you weren't already involved with these pedophiles in one way or another, I would tell you that since you are so supportive of them, then you should go live with them and stop pressing the rest of us to accept it - but I won't say that because I truly think you are already enjoying yourself to much with this - when you don't get support - you create your own support - you do carry your own conversations - and yet still, when you have convinced noone through your fakeout conversations with others supposedly agreeing with you, still being ignored, and confronted for what you are, you retaliate like a 2 year old - I too believe there is something very wrong with you - I think your 2 yr old attitude makes it clear you are very frustrated that you are not having your way with these people.

Your cause is disgusting - your reasoning for it tasteless - your attempt to disgrace others laughable - your comparisons idiotic - your words not accountable - you forgettable.

I implore all those in this site to keep their identities, email addresses and locations to yourselves.

Unknown said...

Honestly people need to educate themselves and then come back to read these posts in here - no better hangout for pedophiles than this site - however stupid as their comments are - as if the law is not watching - maybe they cant arrest you for your words - but the will likely know who you are now - it is this that I do take comfort

God speed Theresa.

denise said...

Well,,,,,,,,,,,,

I guess I am back as I feel I need to respond. My plan to give Teresa my email was that I would post it, then remove it as soon as she had it. And another thing. I live in the hood. Each time a new face appears in my neighborhood, they will be noticed. I think if you try to enter my neighborhood to do pedophile acts (all because you have my email address, lol) and to cause harm to me or my sons, the drug addicts and pedophiles will get to you before you get to me. lol I watch my back every minute, regardless if ppl have my email or not.

And Nagarjuna is entitled to his opinion and his beliefs the same as everyone else here is. I agree with so much Nagarjuna says. I believe he is not a pedophile. He believes that we shouldnt go into a mental hosptial and torture and kill those ppl. He feels (if I am correct) that Garrido shares the same illness that mmental patients have. Nagarjuna has raised some good points here. And he was very rightly offended when he was accused of being a pedophile. That is not an innocent accusation, like saying someone took your money. If you spread the word in Nag's neighborhood that he was a thief, ppl would watch out for him. But if you told his neighbors that he was a pedophile,,,,,,he could be in danger. ALL ON AN UNPROVEN RUMOR!! Those things might be acceptable if you are in a Yahoo! Chatroom where the ppl there only insult and call names. This is not the place. We have real discussions in here. And we do not all have to agree. But last night, I decided to stop commenting here when it seemed that this would end up being a big "fight". I am not here to fight. I am here to learn. And also, I am here, because I truly enjoy conversations with Teresa, Goblinbee, Tara, and NAGARJUNA. Even when we disagree.

denise said...

Nilax,,,can I ask you something? Why are you here? What brought you here originally, and what keeps you here? If you can answer that, I would appreciate it. Just curious. Thank you.

Carmen said...

People like you....people who spout Christianity with this unending flow of babble, then do the horrible things you have...people like you are why some people hate Christians. But sir, you are not a Christian. You are an evil man, who at some point, thought "Gee, I bet I could do better if people thought I was a good person." I bet not that many people were fooled.

denise said...

WhoLetTheDogsOut,,,as someone has already stated here: There are too many criminals for the law to keep an eye on everyone. So I doubt that the law is concerned with the persons making the disgusting pedophilia comments here. Several of us have already called the FBI concerning this. The police can hardly get the criminals when the crime has already been committed and they are at the crime scene.

And our wonderful FREEDOM OF SPEECH makes it legal for pedophiles and everyone else to come here and write anything they want to write. I guess.

Anonymous said...

Denise, are you okay today? Not a good way to start

Anonymous said...

I do know some people are watching this room. I received an e-mail to join a support group.

Willman (?)

Anonymous said...

Who Let the Dogs Out. Sorry I missed your post. Thanks for the reminder.

denise said...

And just what is wrong with my start this morning, Teresa? I am writing how I feel, the same as always. Good morning to you, by the way. Good morning everyone.

Anonymous said...

Absolutely nothing Denise.

Steve said...

WLTDO, thank you for sharing your opinion of me and my comments here. If you care to discuss any of thmy comments with me, I am more than wiling. My guess is that you won't. But if you ARE willing, we could begin by your explaining what is unsound about any of the arguments I've made here. For instance, why is my calling Garrido sick "playing the idiotic illness card." What is "idiotic" about it? Since you've apparently read and considered my arguments regarding Garrido's sickness sufficiently well to pronounce them "idiotic," you should be able to explain to us why they are so.

I look forward to your non-explanation. :-)

Steve said...

Good morning, Denise and Teresa. It's a new day, and perhaps we can proceed here in a new way, or, at least, in a better one than before. "Hope springs eternal in the human breast." :-)

Steve said...

Denise, I appreciate your defense not of my arguments per se but of my right to state them without being accused of what I've been accused of. I realize that most people here believe that many of my arguments are ridiculous, although I don't think anyone has effectively rebutted any of them, but you seem to realize that one can believe as I do and passionately defend his beliefs the way I have without necessarily being motivated by what some here have accused me of being motivated by.

Good for you.

BrendaStar said...

Nilax,

Your full of crap!! You already know your disgusting and that what you say is completely uncalled for. So I wont wast my breath. Ive already spoke my mind to you about your disgusting behavior in here. Oh now your the child in your stories..... and it "felt really good"... as you put it. Well not to mention being vile your a liar too and I am sure many, many other things. You need mental help... really you do. Nothing that you haven't had said to you before i am sure but i am reiterating it for you. Its true!!

Anonymous said...

Instructions

1.
Step 1

Gather evidence. Note the time and date of the illegal activity, the names of the participants and the location of the act. If the activity took place online, screen print any information from the computer, such as cookies that form a trail of Internet pedophile activity, if possible.
2.
Step 2

Call the police or go to the station. You will have to make a statement, so be prepared to go on record with your complaint.
3.
Step 3

Speak to someone in the special crimes unit. This department handles sexual crimes against children.
4.
Step 4

Contact the FBI. The FBI handles online child pornography and online pedophile activity. The FBI has a dedicated line to handle the cyber crimes against children and a website that lets you report the crime online (see Resources below).
5.
Step 5

Note any children that the suspect has contact with. Inform the authorities. Talk to the children's parents. Let them know that their child may be in danger. Of course, speak to authorities before sharing the information with others, but the safety of the children is most important.

denise said...

Step 1, Check. Step 2, Check. Step 3, Check. Step 4, Check.

Nilax is apparently still here.

Anonymous said...

Denise, you are a breath of fresh air. You have such a way of clearing out the cobwebs. You go, girl!

One way I have thought of for people to exchange emails (for anyone interested, not for me) is to set up a temporary email account that gets deleted as soon as more permanent information has been exchanged.

On a side note, I have seen a lot of "Deleted by Author" comments in here. I don't see a way to even delete my comments. Not that I would want to, but I am wondering how to do it.

Steve said...

Goblinbee,

Just click on the trash can that should appear under your comments when you're signed in.

Anonymous said...

Aha! Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Anyone know what OMG means?

Here is another site quite relevant to anyone who wants to try to see through a pedophile:

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=154793265&blogId=500243967

denise said...

lol Thank you so much Goblinbee. It is good to see you this morning.

At the bottom of your own comments that you write here, there is a trash can icon. You can click there to delete your own comments. I have deleted a few after realizing that I posted the same thing twice.

And I had thought of creating a new email for Teresa, if she had wanted to take my email. Or if you, Nagarjuna, or Tara would have wanted it also. I also thought that it might be nice to find an actual chatroom that we could have direct conversations, but decided that I think I prefer the way we are communicating now.

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