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«Oldest ‹Older 12001 – 12200 of 12462 Newer› Newest»So if the world is pissed as hell and wants to rant and rave, why will you speak out against them for doing so, but turn around and speak against another?
It's only a reminder, didn't mean to put you on the defensive.
LucyInTheSky said...
"Stir, stir, stir (Grin)"
(Grin)
"As I have said, I read this blog, and I saw you have some pretty nasty things to say to and about others. What is the difference. Is it just wrong to do against a pedophile, or is it wrong to do against anyone?"
James, what "nasty" things did I ever say to anyone that ever compared to my repeatedly and falsely being called a "pedophile" and "satanic beast or some variation thereof," repeatedly and falsely being accused of criminally hacking into someone's computer, being called "street scum" by an alleged cop, and being threatened with handcuffs and castration? And what even remotely nasty thing have I said to anyone that I haven't apologized for? And, once again, how could anything I've said since this morning be considered even remotely nasty?
LucyInTheSky said...
"Stir, stir, stir (Grin)"
(Grin)
"if you didn't like sitting through it yourself for last week, why are you going to start into it again."
Once again, nothing I have said here today or any time, for that matter, compares with what has been directed at me over the past several days and weeks. I was criticizing no one and accusing no one of any wrongdoing. On the other hand, I was being falsely accused and represented of all kinds of wrongdoing and was being threatened to boot.
Nagarjuna,
This poster tried his best to get under the skin of other posters this time yesterday and the day before.
This is his style...
"Garrido kidnapped and raped, posters spoke Nag."
Yes they did, and so did I. And I welcome you to go back to my initial comments on the matter or any since then and show me where I said anything that compared in nastiness to the worst remarks directed at me, and I ask you to show where my remarks of this afternoon compare with the worst remarks directed at PG or me.
Excuse me...
His/her style...
Go back to your argument with conhound and reread it. I don't have time to copy and paste it, but you did. What is the significance in that. When Garrido was exposed, it enraged the world Nag. When you said a few words, you enraged a few people, and you fought back. You protected yourself from the insults with insults of your own. That is no different than how the people felt about Garrido.
I am just saying, getting into these little negative discussions will bring about more tirade. I know you know this.
Conhound said:
This poster tried his best to get under the skin of other posters this time yesterday and the day before.
This is his style...
I spoke out to the instigators of these battles.
what I find hilarious is that you conhound will attack Nag for nearly two weeks and try to use him to stir up another.
JamesSaysToYou
Anyone on here can have a "heated" discussion with any other poster, depending on the topic and context at the time.
What "battles" ?
"Glad you enjoyed Easwaran too. I like what he has to say about genuine love not being a quid pro quo arrangement"(nagarjuna)
Yes, you make a real good point.
Sometimes we fall so easily into the trap of quid pro quo. I know I do at times. But with the right exercise one can overcome this.
I would love for you to pass along any quotes you may have embraced in regards to overcoming the trap of quid pro quo. I can use the exercise.
Thanks.
JamesSaysToYou,
You totally remind me of that guy on the TV series "Lost" that sat in the room and continually pressed the button.
Aren't you tired of pressing buttons?
"Go back to your argument with conhound and reread it."
James, I suggest that you go back and look more closely at my arguments with Coonhound. They were far less about Garrido per se than they were about other issues that I won't rehash here. You can examine them for yourself if you're really interested.
"When you said a few words, you enraged a few people, and you fought back."
When I was falsely accused of perversion and crime, yes, I responded rather sharply but equivalently to the way I was attacked and defamed. When I saw other people acting friendly with those who accused me of those things, I took them to task for it as well. Things escalated from there in ways that I'm not proud of the part I played in. But I have done nothing this afternoon for you to take me the task for, and I won't admit to something I haven't done simply in order to mollify you. Criticize me for something I have done that was wrong and for which I haven't apologized, and I'll admit it and apologize for it, unlike certain individuals who have never apologized for any of the wrongs they've done me. But I won't admit to bashing anyone this afternoon when I did nothing of the kind, my friend.
"That is no different than how the people felt about Garrido."
There is a universe of difference between the things people said about PG and me and the things I said to and about them not only in the nature of the comments themselves but also in terms of the way we respectively handled them. I apologized for my worst insults; my severest detractors and defamers have NEVER apologized to me.
"I am just saying, getting into these little negative discussions will bring about more tirade. I know you know this."
Once again, I don't think there were any "negative discussions" going on here, and I certainly wasn't being negative in what I contributed to them. So, no "tirade" was necessary. On the other hand, if I accuse someone without proof of being a criminal or a pervert trolling here for victims under multiple ID's or anything of the kind, a "tirade" would be perfectly understandable and quite probably justified.
"You protected yourself from the insults with insults of your own. That is no different than how the people felt about Garrido."
There was no equivalence whatsoever, yet, I did apologize for and retract my worst insults. Don't you think Boogie, Freak, Jeff, and Teresa owe me apologies?
Correction:
When I was falsely accused of perversion and crime, yes, I responded rather sharply but NOT equivalently to the way I was attacked and defamed.
"I would love for you to pass along any quotes you may have embraced in regards to overcoming the trap of quid pro quo. I can use the exercise."
Coonhound, I'll be happy to pass along any such quotes when I see them.
You are right Nag. Do you think Jaycee deserved what happened to her? There is no equivalence.
So you when you stick up for Garrido telling everyone not to scream out at him. Why are you going to ask me to say anything to anyone else?
You know, I tried to help you. If you don't see it, you will never see it.
Stir, stir, stir (Grin)
Mis-intepreting comments
Lucy,
What callous hands one must have from that "stir stick".
Coonhound
I think this was the best bit of James comment "You know, I tried to help you" ROFL
No doubt. You read my mind.
(Grin)
Lucy,
Come to think of it that has been stated before on this blog. Lol
"You know, I tried to help you. If you don't see it, you will never see it"
"You are right Nag. Do you think Jaycee deserved what happened to her? There is no equivalence."
James, with all due respect, I wasn't talking about what PG did to Jaycee Dugard. I was talking chiefly about how the personal attacks directed at me were far worse than those I've directed at others. And I was also talking about how the remarks I made this afternoon about people actually or possibly posting under multiple ID's were not insulting attacks at all.
"So you when you stick up for Garrido telling everyone not to scream out at him. Why are you going to ask me to say anything to anyone else?"
I never said that people shouldn't criticize PG appropriately, but I did question the appropriateness of people, especially Christians, venting hateful fantasies of raping, mutilating, and torturing PG to death and then laughing as he burned in hell in the afterlife.
I never asked you to falsely accuse anyone of any perversions or crimes or to attack them in ways that are uncalled for the way I've been falsely accused and unjustly attacked. I asked if you wouldn't take people to appropriate task for leveling these false accusations and unjust attacks at me. And I still ask you if you won't do that if you see them doing any more of it.
"You know, I tried to help you. If you don't see it, you will never see it."
Have you been trying to "help" me, James? Jeff first appeared here claiming he was trying to "help" me too, and then he ended up acting like...well, I'll loet you characterize to yourself it in your own way. In any case, I thank you for your efforts to "help" me, but I think the best way you can help me is to engage me and others here in substantive discussions of interesting issues.
Nag, Jaycee was kidnapped and raped for 18 years
You were called names
You don't want anyone to say anything about Garrido
But you want me to yell at the others you mentioned?
Does that make you feel better Nag?
James shows his true colours (Grin)
"Nag, Jaycee was kidnapped and raped for 18 years
You were called names"
And your point IS? What precise point are you trying to make, my friend? Are you saying that the names I was called here were justified? Being falsely called a pedophile could get an innocent person harmed or worse. It's an egregious thing to do. Being falsely accused of a federal crime is also defamatory. Even being called ugly names isn't right, in my book, and when I've done it, it was wrong, and being called uglier names by others is even more wrong.
"You don't want anyone to say anything about Garrido"
I think you need to reread my previous comment.
"But you want me to yell at the others you mentioned?"
"Yell"? :-)
"James," it appears to me that you're now acting too irrationally for me to attempt to engage you in further discussion. You might want to take on another ID and try again when you've cooled off. :-)
*R*O*F*L*
I hear the "others" calling for you JamesSaysToYou.
"Does that make you feel better Nag?"
How does it make YOU feel?
*R*O*F*L*
I hear the "others" calling for you JamesSaysToYou.
No, Nag, I don't think I will get another name, or try anymore. You seem to think that you are more special that Jaycee. Your more important in your eyes. No one apologized to Jaycee either. You will get again what you got before because you don't see what you do. Good luck with it. I hope you don't end up feeling like you did the other day.
James is twisting words again, what a surprise, NOT
"James"
Amazing you assume to know and understand all there is to Nagarjuna without bothering to discuss anything that would exclude pushing his buttons.
How important and significantYOU must see yourself in your Own eyes.
"You seem to think that you are more special that Jaycee. "
Not in the least, and I've neither said nor done anything to suggest otherwise so far as I can tell and so far as you've been able to demonstrate.
"No one apologized to Jaycee either."
No one apologized to Jaycee, so no one should apologize to me? What kind of "logic" is that? Again, what point are you trying to make?
"You will get again what you got before because you don't see what you do."
What will I get, why will I get it, and who will give it to me?
"I hope you don't end up feeling like you did the other day."
Don't worry. If someone wants to act like a wacked out fool with me again, I won't let it bother me one bit anymore. I'll just ignore it and go on conversing and dicussing with people acting sanely and reasonably.
"What will I get, why will I get it, and who will give it to me" (nag)
Excellent question.
I very much would like to hear the answer to that, too.
Funny how the so called "lawyers" have disappeared.
Coincidence that it's since the Tara/Lucy business ?
But maybe "lawyers" in particular could never admit that their assumptions had been wrong.
Silent night.
All is calm,
All is bright. :-)
On hankram.blogspot.com, I wrote my take on the Inspector General's Report on why the Parole Officers didn't do their job on the Garrido case.
At one point, I commented as to why Phil demanded that Jaycee talk to lawyer, and why Cheyenne Molino didn't want to be involved.
Since they didn't do their jobs, they should be sued, and also fired.
Nag/lucy
How could I not address this one:
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LucyInTheSky said...
"Funny how the so called "lawyers" have disappeared.Coincidence that it's since the Tara/Lucy business ?But maybe "lawyers" in particular could never admit that their assumptions had been wrong."
Yes, and "lawyers" are not the most credible nor reliable group of people according to biblical scripture where Christians get their understanding of God's Will and purpose. And lawyers of that time were the Pharisees.
Also, I noticed their old testament "scripture" included a specific terminology, namely "homosexual/ality". You will not find that word in the "older" bible versions.
Historical facts show that when "God" called for "war", HE called on HIS people to physically fight the wars.
And it was not uncommon for the captors to rape both genders of those they captured. And of course this conduct was not limited to the people or time of the OT, the romans and others also practiced this crudeness of raping captors.
Yes, warriors did this to those they captured of the same sex as a form of humiliation and degradation to gloat in their victory. It was an accepted war-time practice.
Therefore it is very relevant that "homosexual" is not specifically mentioned in the bible.
To be a homosexual as we understand so today IS how God made a person. Its not a disease or typically understood to be a matter of "choice". Although in ignorance many would argue that fact.
"Men sleeping with men" is more along the lines of the words used in older english versions. That is very relevant because it is not as specific in nature as the term homosexual.
"Man" has purposed himself to change the words and throw out historical facts relevant to understanding in order to DEGRADE, HUMILIATE, OPPRESS, and HATE a specific group of today's times.
Clarify:
"Historical facts show that when "God" called for "war", HE called on HIS people to physically fight the wars"
Biblical scripture shows this to be so.
Historical facts show the war-time practice I mentioned to be so.
Another typo...
"the romans and others also practiced this crudeness of raping captors"
End of statement should read "thosed they captured."
Coonhound, my understanding is that most Christian churches teach and most Christian people believe that homosexuality or, at least, homosexual activity is sinful. I understand that the foremost Christian Church, the RCC, officially considers it "gravely disordered" sin. And I also understand that this teaching and belief is as old as Christianity itself and is said to be derived from even the earliest versions of the Bible.
Now I've heard heard some people argue against this biblical interpretation and official teaching by saying what I think you're trying to say--i.e., that scripture was actually forbidding homosexual rape of children and enemy captives and homosexual temple prostitution and not homosexual activity between people of genuinely homosexual orientation.
But if this is true, why do so many Christian churches and people have it wrong? And, how is it that any false Christian teaching and belief can be so widespread and prominent for so long a time and the religion which embraces it have any credibility overall? In other words, if the Christian religion as a whole has been so wrong about this matter, why can't it be so wrong about a lot of other things that it shouldn't be taken all that seriously as a religion?
lucy darling thank you for the link I appreciate it..
I will note for all eyes to read that NAG ONLY has argued the death penalty and that cruel punishment on people is not an option he has NEVER said that Garrido should not pay for his crimes.. He has stated it is not right to wish phyisical harm onto others..Now I will also note that for taking a stand for his own belief system on the death penalty and cruel punishment towards prisoners that he has now been accused of many heinous things. Yes did nag write and confront every single person here almost that wrote a horrible act that they wanted committed to PG and NG in return for Jaycee's suffering. He said this was not right. Those statements should never justify the hateful things that Nag has been called in return for believing this way.
Nag and I have disagreed quite a bit but thats what it is.. obviously hes stubborn too but so am I so thats not a bad trate..
food for thought.
I will also note that a character trate of a pedophile is NOT showing sympathy for others! look it up they are almost incapable of feeling for their victims..
Seems quite the opposite from someone that actually argues not to hurt other people and that has what has propelled this accusation against him.
he is not defending Garrido hes defending against violence towards other people.. That regardless being violent towards someone is not the answer. I honestly too found it very crude what people were writing.. I can not stand PG and NG and I want them to pay but i dont want hot pokers shoved up their butt ect. Thats just violent what is wrong with the world that we even think we can write those violent thoughts and images and it is okay! why would two wrongs make a right????? I understand being angry at the man and I do feel it was a way for people to vent their feelings and anger against him and that is okay too venting it an not acting out on it.. but because one person says: hey, stop! maybe you shouldnt write that, or why is violence in return okay ect. and that should justify him being called a pedophile! I DO NOT think so.
What is that movie about the guy on death row in prison that has been wrongly convicted? does anyone know? I cant remember.
"And I also understand that this teaching and belief is as old as Christianity itself and is said to be derived from even the earliest versions of the Bible"(nag)
I'm not certain of your point here nag.
The term "christian" was coined long after Christ, including the scripture in the bible that makes reference to the word "christian". This is true of all scripture in the New Testament.
Christianity as an "institutionalized religion" did not occur until "LONG LONG" after Christ. The exact date I would have to look up BUT if memory serves it would have been at least a 1000 yrs after christ, probably alot longer.
From a socialogical view point, any time something is "institutionalized" it becomes formed of a group of people.
People are persuaded by people, that's natural. People are also persuaded by the circumstances and knowledge of THEIR day and time. If the bible is understood in that regards then much understanding becomes a matter of choice to what is relevant and known to us today. That's not how the bible is intended to be read or followed. But that is the consequence of forming an "institution". Human error is expected for a multitude of reasons. This is true of any institution.
Why does this happen with religious institutions?
In short,
Its the easy way out. And personal convictions are twisted with biblical understanding. Historical facts and knowledge become desensitized and not valued towards understanding.
Hate, contempt and judgement are very inherent to our being or we are very apt to succomb to it. Through our nature we are an oppressed people bc of those we oppress.
Also, Jesus Christ was certainly not of the "main stream" within his day and time. So, what is considered main stream or widely accepted as truth does not necessarilydiscredit or devalue what actually IS truth.
Even as a non-believer how could one neglect to take serious something that is so influential to our day and time.
I'm not done with your questions, nag. I'll have to address them more fully at a later date.
You have a peaceful day.
Well put, B*.
Thank you Coonhound :)
I hope your having a great day today thank you for looking at the Noreen Gosch page for Johhny. My heart goes out to her so much. I whole heartedly believe her.
B*
Yes, I believe her too. And she deserves closure on all of this, really she does. Much has been hidden from her and that is seriously wrong.
Coonhound,
I was absolutely enthralled by this and I watched a 2 hour video recorded interview she made at her home and then read and read and read.. and watched, ect..I think I am still trying to process everything I learned, very intense.
But what a courageous women she is Noreen Gosch. 27 million people are victims of human trafficking today. The statistics on these acts are horrendous.
Thank you for listening to me rant lol :)
Brenda, thank you for speaking up on my behalf against "James's," in my considered opinion, incoherent and ridiculous criticism of yesterday.
Now I want to make it clear to "James" and to any who "support" him, that I'm not accusing him of being crazy or stupid. I'm just saying that his criticism of me yesterday seemed to me to be utterly without reasonableness or merit.
"he is not defending Garrido hes defending against violence towards other people."
You make a very good point, Brenda. Certainly, one of my arguments was that the violence and harm that PG inflicted on Jaycee did not justify his having extreme violence of the likes described here in graphic detail inflicted on him.
Now, in all fairness to my detractors, I WAS defending HIM in the sense that I argued that our feelings as well as our conduct toward him should be mediated by understanding that his acts had to have been caused by mental disorder. But I never argued that he should therefore be set free because of it. I said in one of my earliest comments that he should be quarantined for life, and not long after that, I even indicated that I probably wouldn't be averse to capital punishment in a case like his where the crime was so terrible and his guilt so overwhelmingly obvious, despite my misgivings about the death penalty in general.
However, I did subsequently question whether the death penalty was compatible with the core teachings and spirit of Christianity and whether even hatred of the Garrido's was compatible with them as well, and, as we call know, that led some of us down a rocky road. :-)
But, again, you're essentially correct, Brenda, when you state that I've been far less about defending Garrido personally than I've been about defending JUSTICE which, to my mind, includes appropriate but not excessive punishment for crimes caused by mental disorder or "sickness."
That's our Naggy.(Grin)
(I bet its my turn next)?????
:)
"I understand being angry at the man and I do feel it was a way for people to vent their feelings and anger against him and that is okay too venting it an not acting out on it.. "
Brenda, I'd like to clarify a point I was trying to make from the outset that probably got lost in the static of the hostilities that ensued here.
You and I may respectfully disagree on this, but I do not think the "venting" of anger and hatred that occurred here was "okay," because I believe that, although it was certainly understandable for people to feel extreme anger and even hatred for anyone who had done what PG had obviously done, we humans do harmful violence to ourselves and to society as a whole when we express these kinds of emotions and reinforce them in each other.
I do not subscribe to the idea that when we feel vindictive anger and hatred, it's healthy to "vent" it by screaming hateful things at people. When we do that, we don't purge these emotions, but, rather, we make them stronger and strengthen our tendency to respond to more and more situations and people in verbally and, in some cases, physically violent ways.
Not only that, but when an entire society does this and becomes more angry and hateful in response to more and more situations and people, the ultimate effect is to encourage rather than discourage people to commit more hateful acts.
In other words, to take Garrido's case, you might think that if we all come down really hard on Garrido and openly express extreme hatred for him and all those who sexually abuse others and we treat them extremely harshly after they're caught, this will lower the incidence of sexual abuse. But I think what might very well happen instead is that more such crimes will be committed by people too frightened by the growing hatred openly expressed against them to seek help and so self-loathing because of all this hatred that they act in loathsome ways.
In other words, the more you hate yourself because everybody else hates you or would hate you if they knew what you felt or were, the more you're likely to hate yourself and everyone else, and the more you hate yourself and everyone else, the more you're likely to do hateful, awful things to others to hurt them because you hate them so much and to hurt yourself because you hate yourself so much.
"I'm not certain of your point here nag. "
My point was that it's my understanding, as incorrect as it might be, that ever since people have identified themselves as Christian and embraced what they've acknowledged as "holy scripture," they have generally condemned homosexual acts if not even the desire as "sinful."
"From a socialogical view point, any time something is "institutionalized" it becomes formed of a group of people.
People are persuaded by people, that's natural. People are also persuaded by the circumstances and knowledge of THEIR day and time. If the bible is understood in that regards then much understanding becomes a matter of choice to what is relevant and known to us today. That's not how the bible is intended to be read or followed. But that is the consequence of forming an "institution". Human error is expected for a multitude of reasons. This is true of any institution."
I agree with you, and I guess one of the provisional conclusions I've drawn from this over the years is that if Christianity were REALLY the "one true faith" sanctioned by the Supreme Being of the universe, it, as an institution, and the people who practice it faithfully would be immune to these pervasive and extremely harmful "sociological" "errors" of interpretation and resulting teachings and policies.
In other words, if God Himself does not condemn homosexuals for their sexual orientation and for acting on it--presumably within a loving, committed relationship between two adults--why would He allow those who officially represent him through Christian institutions and those who worship him to be so wrong about this and to persecute and cause such grievous emotional and physical harm to countless homosexuals over the centuries?
Nagarjuna,
That is an excellent question worthy of discussion.
And the Mysteries of God and faith go beyond even that question(s).
But consider this...
If people in general were provided with Absolute Truth: understanding and knowledge of all things pertaining to God and the nature of God, do you think all people would choose to believe in God?
And if Christians were provided with Absolute Truth: knowledge and understanding of all things pertaining to God and His nature, do you think they would choose to behave in accordance to pure Godliness? Would they be capable of comprehending such things? Are we intended to be privy to Absolute Truth?
"If people in general were provided with Absolute Truth: understanding and knowledge of all things pertaining to God and the nature of God, do you think all people would choose to believe in God?"
Outstanding question, Coonhound!
First, I'm not suggesting that Christian institutions and individuals would have to be provided with "Absolute Truth: understanding and knowledge of all things pertaining to God and the nature of God" to be sufficiently guided by God not to so profoundly and for such a long time misinterpret His will concerning homosexuals in such harmful ways.
Second, I'm not suggesting that we would need the kind of total knowledge of God that you outline in order to be sure enough of His existence and nature to love, honor, and obey Him.
Third, I wouldn't have to "believe" in the Christian God and in Christian scripture and teachings if I knew with certainty that the Christian God exists and that Christian scripture and teaching adequately represent Him, any more than I would need to "believe" in ET's if they arrived in vast starships, teleported themselves to the ground, and showed themselves to us in no uncertain terms; I would KNOW that they're for real.
"do you think they would choose to behave in accordance to pure Godliness?"
I can quite confidently say that *I* would, Coonhound. And if I would, I would be very surprised if almost everyone else would too. And I would wonder about the sanity of anyone who did't. For who would knowingly and sanely choose Satan's evil over God's goodness, and hell over heaven?
Correction:
"I can quite confidently say that *I* would, Coonhound. And if I would, I would be very surprised if almost everyone else wouldn't too."
Right. But my point is that the answer to all our "why" questions would not stop or cease to exist given our nature as non-supreme beings.
Also, as a believer I understand and do believe that Christ was here and certain miracles did occur.
Let's say you were a believer...
When does the proof and the miracles end? How many times must something occur to prove a supreme existence?
If Absoluet Truth is not necessary, then at what point does one rely on genuine Faith?
I'm not so convinced as you are that people would believe, trust and obey a supreme being, in this case God, even with access to Absolute Truth and understanding, meaning no mystery surrounding God, His existence or nature.
"When does the proof and the miracles end? How many times must something occur to prove a supreme existence?"
Very good question, Coonhound. I can't give you a definitive answer. But I'd say that *I* would be far more persuaded by confirmed miracles--i.e., supernatural events--occurring recently than I am by, in my opinion, alleged miracles occurring millennia ago and reported only, so far as I'm aware, in "sacred" texts.
"If Absoluet Truth is not necessary, then at what point does one rely on genuine Faith?"
Let me put it this way, Coonhound, I don't see why "faith" should be expected much less demanded of us in order to avoid literal or metaphorical hellfire, and, again, why would someone who knew God's love and Satan's evil and heaven's bliss and hell's torment choose Satan and hell unless they were blamelessly insane?
I'm not sure what you mean by sacred texts. Do you specifically mean the bible?
I think you do, but correct if I'm wrong.
However, there are many scroll writings regarding christ and biblical times that are not included in the Bible or Bibles.
But I think your point is that you'd have to rely on something other than "writing" in order to believe.
What is wrong with faith? You must have faith in some things and people. I'm sure you love you wife and trust her. But you do not have the ability to know all things pertaining to her, so you must put trust in her because you love her. Isn't that faith? When we love somebody or something it is only natural for us to have faith in it.
Where's today's Eknath?
"I think your point is that you'd have to rely on something other than "writing" in order to believe."
When the claims I'm expected to believe involve supernatural events, you may be right. At the very least, I'd need to see eyewitness claims made by all kinds of written sources from many different kinds of writers of different religious and secular beliefs and not just by Jews and subsequently Christians writing in a "sacred" vein.
"What is wrong with faith?"
Nothing in and of itself, Coonhound. But what I'm arguing against or, at least, questioning is the Christian God allegedly requiring us to have faith in his existence and nature and in scripture's and church teachings' accurate representation of him in order for us to avoid his eternal torture chamber.
"When we love somebody or something it is only natural for us to have faith in it."
I agree, Coonhound. But when it comes to loving other human beings, it's usually not a matter of having faith that they even exist. We KNOW that they exist and, on the basis of what we've observed of their nature and behavior, we have faith in their goodness, trustworthiness, or whatever. We should not be blamed and intentionally punished for not having faith in anyone or anything, much less in the alleged God of one of many different religions in this wide, wide world.
November 5
"One that is not prepared to suffer all things, and to stand to the will of the Beloved, is not worthy to be called a lover of God. A lover ought to embrace willingly all that is hard and distasteful, for the sake of the Beloved; and not to turn away for any contrary accidents.
– Thomas a Kempis
Love is a sacred skill that we must work to maintain. And learning to bear up under changes in attitude and circumstance with an inner toughness is the best practice for loving. If we do not develop this kind of toughness, our love will not be strong enough to support the weight of close relationships.
One of my quarrels with contemporary civilization is the way it trivializes life. We have very little left that is sacred. In a scientifically advanced era, with the benefit of culture and education, we should grieve to discover that our love barely scratches the surface of life – no wonder, then, that it fails to nourish us. Loving is already something of a lost art.
When we finally realize we are missing out on something sacred, we may no longer know where to turn. Love is so exquisitely elusive. It cannot be bought, cannot be badgered, cannot be hijacked. It is available only in one rare form: as the natural response of a healthy mind and healthy heart."
--Eknath Easwaran
Nag,
I haven't read your new posts yet.
I was googling and looked over this a bit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominational_positions_on_homosexuality
I just was looking to get a general overview of the different denominations and found some things interesting. I was surprised to see the acceptance that I did. But certainly we would both agree that further research would be required to REaLLy get an accurate understanding of the varying denominations and groups. And that is a very general list.
We don't keep up with the different groups like the SBC and the likes of it. My husband's family has always been affiliated with churches that refused membership of that nature.
I realize this may appear ignorant, but I don't even know what the RCC is or what it should mean to me.(Tata grin)
I think we both can be humbled and touched by today's Eknath.
:)
Now Eknath is Budhist? I forget.
And that would be your lovely wife's faith, correct? Buddhism.
Coonhound, the RCC is the Roman Catholic Church.
Eknath Easwaran wasn't, so far as I know, formally affiliated with any religion. He was, in my estimation, a mystic-sage and wonderful writer who taught meditation and an entire path to spiritual realization of the so-called "perennial philosophy." But he grew up in India before coming to the U.S., and his family waa Hindu. The Hinduism he seems to represent most fully in his teachings was the more intellectual Vedantist school, but, as I said before, he also wrote extensively about Christianity and other religions.
You're correct about my wife being Buddhist. More specifically, she's a Buddhist of the so-called Theravada school prevalent throughout most of Southeast Asia.
Well, that is pitiful that I wouldn't be familiar with that acronym. But even as a child and youngER adult growing up in the "RCC" I never heard that acronym used.
Coonhound, if I may say more about Eknath Easwaran, he appeals to people of many faiths because he's set out a spiritual path that someone of virtually any faith can walk to enhance their spiritual experience and development WITHIN THEIR FAITH. You might want to check out his website for more information. What's more, I think you might enjoy his book "Original Goodness." Here is how I reviewed it on Amazon.com:
"This is simply one of the finest and most inspiring books I've ever read. It takes the famous Beatitudes of Jesus' "Sermon on the Mount" and shows how we can train ourselves mentally and spiritually to be living embodiments of their wisdom in our everyday lives. Easwaran begins with the premise that our innermost core or essence is one with the divine ground of all being. It is timeless, indestructible, and purely good. And he shows us how we can cultivate a spiritual path which lets this goodness shine through our conventional, constricted, egoic selves. His path is based on the "perennial philosophy" that he and many religious scholars and sages say forms the heart of all the great religious traditions. But while he quotes liberally from mystics of various traditions, his focus here is on Christian mysticism. Meister Eckhart and St. Teresa of Avila figure prominently in the book, and their words grace the reader with profound wisdom and inspiration. The chapter on love alone is worth many times the price of the book. It has impacted my life more than I can say.
Do yourself a favor and get this book, make it a part of your life, and share the sweet fruits of your efforts with those around you. The world will be a better place because of it."
"Original Goddness"
Thanks Nagarjuna. I might take a look at it.
You have a nice day.
Hello Tara and B*. Have a nice day.
I'll be real busy the next week or so and wanted to wish you all the best.
November 6
Be patient. The path of self-discipline that leads to God-realization is not an easy path: obstacles and sufferings are on the path; the latter you must bear, and the former overcome – all by His help. His help comes only through concentration. Repetition of God’s name helps concentration.
– Swami Ramdas
"In difficult situations the mantram offers immediate, effective first aid. When you are getting angry or afraid, or when you feel you have to get your way or you will explode, start repeating the mantram and head for the door. Go for a good, fast walk around the block. Repeat your mantram as if your life depended on it – in some respects it really might.
Walk briskly. There is a close connection between the rhythm of the mantram, the rhythm of your footsteps, the rhythm of your breathing, and the rhythm of your mind. You will find that the furious pace of your thoughts begins to slow down, that your breathing becomes deeper and steadier. By the time you get back, your mind will be clearer. A good deal of your agitation will be gone. That is the power of the mantram. The effect on yourself and on other people has to be seen to be believed."
--Eknath Easwaran
you too Coonhound :)
I hope you have a great week.. :) pop in and say hi to me once in awhile. (hugs)
You guys know that it would be easier and more permanent to get each others email addresses, just in case this place gets shut down.
I myself would hate to make friends and then one day never be able to talk to them again.
November 7
Wandering with thee, even hell itself would be to me a heaven of bliss.
– Ramayana
"For the long spiritual journey, ongoing support, guidance, and inspiration are necessary for everyone. We all need the support of people who share our aspirations, and to whom we can turn in difficult times. So we should not overlook the importance of spiritual companionship.
Meditating with two or three friends gives tremendous support. When husband and wife practice meditation together, they strengthen one another immeasurably. The challenges of self-transformation become so much easier to bear when we can face them with the support of those we love.
But if we find that there seems to be no one to share our interest in meditation, the important thing is to be patient – to have faith that we will eventually find the spiritual companions that we need. Until then, we can turn to a few invaluable books in which spiritual aspirants share their experiences. These books can become old friends: the writings of Swami Ramdas, the Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, the works of Saint Teresa of Avila, Of the Imitation of Christ, the teachings of the Buddha, to give a few examples out of a vast storehouse of spiritual wisdom."
--Eknath Easwaran
Thanks for your good advice, Hurricane. I'm already corresponding privately with some of the regulars here. If anyone else would like to correspond with one or more of us privately as well, please let us know before it's too late. Actually, in my case, it should never be too late. I have my own blogs, and one can always contact me through one of them.
What do you think about the case of Jason Rodriguez, the guy who opened fire in the Orlando office building yesterday, killing one person and wounding five others?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/us/08orlando.html?_r=5
I hear the public screaming at congress they will start to take pedophile matters in their own hands to protect their families since the government doesn't seem to care to do it, but is willing to pacify the public with false reports of protection. I can't argue that! The hell with the sympathizers, maybe they should try to stand in the way.
Report: GPS parole monitoring of Phillip Garrido failed
A California Inspector General report Thursday slammed the state parole system for failing to track Phillip Garrido, the convicted sex offender who kidnapped Jaycee Dugard.
San Francisco - In California, a Global Position System (GPS) device is strapped to every registered sex offender on parole. The system is supposed to keep the public safe – and make it easier for parole agents to track dangerous felons. But that system is broken, and giving the public "a false sense of security," according to a new report.
California Inspector General David Shaw issued a 40-page indictment Wednesday of the state's parole system for its failure to keep track of parolee Phillip Garrido, the convicted sex offender arrested in August for the 1991 kidnapping of Jaycee Lee Dugard.
The report offers some of the most detailed information released to date on events leading up to Mr. Garrido's arrest and is filled with any number of disturbing elements. The inspector general found that parole agents originally failed to classify Garrido, convicted of a brutal rape in the 1970s, as a high-risk parolee, missed opportunities to discover Ms. Dugard and her two children, and didn't act to investigate numerous possible parole violations.
"Despite numerous clues and opportunities, the [California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation], as well as federal and local law enforcement, failed to detect Garrido's criminal conduct, resulting in the continued confinement and victimization of Jaycee and her two daughters," the report stated.
Ms. Dugard was discovered in August after parole officers were tipped off by campus police from the University of California, Berkeley who became suspicious after an encounter with Garrido.
Most of the report focuses on Garrido's interaction with parole officers, but it also raises concerns about the use of GPS to monitor sex offenders.
In 2006, Californians voted to monitor all felony sex offenders through a GPS device. The state's department of correction took the ballot initiative a step farther by attaching GPS units to even those sex offenders convicted prior to the 2006 measure.
As of June, about 7,000 California sex offenders were being tracked on GPS, according the inspector's report. Of those, 2,200 are classified as active (high-risk parolees whose movements received the most scrutiny) and 4,800 are passive (those who receive much less scrutiny).
Despite his violent past, Garrido was placed in April 2008 on the department's passive GPS monitoring program so his movements were not as closely monitored as high-risk parolees.
What's more, parole agents ignored 276 reports of a loss of signal from Garrido's monitoring system, according to the report. "Parole agents should have investigated the cause of this abnormality and documented their findings in the parole file," the report says.
Additionally, parole agents failed to act when GPS showed Garrido made regular trips that took him more than 25 miles from his home in violation of his parole.
In Garrido's case, GPS monitoring appeared to be largely a formality – a finding that led the inspector general to conclude that "the current passive GPS monitoring program appears to provide little, if any, value to proactive parole supervision."
The use of GPS to track sex offenders – theoretically to prevent them from committing other crimes – has been questioned before.
"GPS monitoring – embraced as a simple technological solution for tracking the whereabouts of convicted sex offenders – is proving to be something less than a silver bullet for state and local public safety agencies," wrote Jim McKay in a February article in Government Technology . "Though public safety officials typically agree that GPS is a valuable tool, they say it's not a replacement for personal contact with the subject, his co-workers, family and friends that keeps the offender honest."
The issue was also raised recently in Vancouver, Wash., after a convicted sex offender wearing GPS allegedly killed a 13-year-old girl.
In California, the inspector general recommends that all sex offenders be placed on active GPS monitoring and that agents should more fully utilize the GPS technology. For its part, the California department of corrections said that it will "ensure that parole agents periodically review all GPS tracks ... and will continue to strive to exceed local and national GPS standards."
November 8
When you move amidst the world of sense, free from attachment and aversion alike, there comes the peace in which all sorrows end, and you live in the wisdom of the Self.
– Bhagavad Gita
"The grace of God sometimes comes in the form of sorrow. If we are not prepared to realize the unity of life, the Lord in his infinite love will let us suffer until we are forced to change our ways.
Of course, it isn’t at all easy to change: often it is quite painful. It’s very much like learning to use a stiff arm again. If your arm has been injured, and twisted into a rigid position, even the slightest movement becomes painful. Yet you have to learn to move it in order to regain the use of your arm. There is suffering in this, as there often is in any kind of growth.
We should never conclude that our lives are hopeless, that we can never improve, that we are condemned by God or fate or chemistry or conditioning to repeat the same mistakes. We always have a choice. That is the glory of our human nature: not only that we can always choose a better path, but that someday we will. We can never alienate ourselves from our divine Self, and the whole force of evolution is pushing us towards the divine vision, in which we see ourselves as we really are."
--Eknath Easwaran
your beyond help death penalty is acceptable in this case
Why is that, Max?
I've been teased by some here for saying that each of us is ultimately the entire universe and that our choices, for good or evil, are ultimately the entire universe's choices, but Eknath Easwaran's thought for today offers something of an explanation for this viewpoint.
November 9
A human being is part of the whole, called by us “universe,” a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separate from the rest – a kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.
– Albert Einstein
"None of us see life as it is, the world as it is. We all see life as we are. We look at others through our own likes and dislikes, desires and interests. It is this separatist outlook that fragments life for us – man against woman, community against community, country against country. Yet the mystics of all religions assure us on the strength of their own experience, if only we throw away this fragmenting instrument of observation, we shall see all life as an indivisible whole."
--Eknath Easwaran
Last night I watched a few minutes of a show on one of the cable channels about Phillip Garrido. They were talking about this blog and showing a re-creation of Garrido posting to it when my wife decided to switch to another channel. Oh well...
what show Nag?
thats interesting. id like to google that and try to watch it.
hope your doing well.
Hi Brenda--
I wish I could tell you which show and channel it was, but my wife was flipping through the channels and stopped on that show for just a few minutes. I would have liked to watch more of it, but my wife controls the remote after we go to bed. :-)
It appeared to be one of those criminal biography shows, maybe on the Biography channel or TLC. First they were showing re-creations of parole or probation officers visiting the Garrido home and an actor playing Jaycee and other actors playing her daughters were sitting in the living room when the agent was there. The agents were apparently told that Jaycee was PG's wife and that the other two girls were their daughters, and Nancy was assumed to be the housekeeper. Bizarre.
One expert speculated that Jaycee didn't speak up during her numerous chances to do so because she had come to accept her living arrangement as normal.
There was a re-creation of her on the computer doing work for PG's printing business, and then, just before my wife changed channels, it showed "Voices Revealed" and an actor portraying PG posting to it.
If I find out what program and channel it was, I'll let you know, Brenda.
Brenda, as a follow up to my previous comment, I checked the online TV listings and saw this listed on the Investigation Discovery Channel:
"A California woman who was age 11 when she was kidnapped by a couple is freed after 18 years of captivity."
I don't know if this is the same show I was watching last night. Its next airing is listed for next Saturday night at 7 PM.
thank you for the info Nag I will try to locate it :)
I appreciate the heads up about the show.
You're welcome, Brenda.
Interesting article on Salon.com about the increasing number of reported child molestations by females: http://www.salon.com/life/broadsheet/index.html?story=/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/11/09/female_pedophiles
YOUR A SICK MAN. TO LAY IT ON GODS LAP IS SATANS WORK. I HAVE A 4 YR OLD DAUGHTER. GOD FORBID A MAN TOUCH HER EVER. TO TAKE A CHILD FROM HER PARENTS AND RAPE AN INNOCENT CHILD FOR SELFISH AND EVIL REASONS IS UNFORGETABLE. YOU BRAIN WASHED A CHILD AND MADE HER YOUR OWN. A LAW GOD WILL CONDEME AND A PUNISHMENT YOU WILL FACE UPON YOUR WAY TO HELL. SICK MEN LIKE YOU GIVE GOOD MEN LIKE ME A BAD REP. YOUR A FRUITCAKE MORON.
ntraid2--
I'd like t ask you a simple compound question. What punishment does a "sick man" deserve for doing a "sick" thing, and does anyone deserve to go to hell?
November 10
Before us are life and death, good and evil. That which we shall choose shall be given us.
– Ecclesiasticus
"The capacity to discriminate between right desires and wrong desires is very precious. Right desires benefit everyone – including ourselves. Wrong desires may be pleasing, but they benefit no one – again, not even ourselves. The criteria are simple to state, but not so simple to apply in everyday life.
The problem that arises is that wrong desires can be very skillful impersonators. They put on a three-piece suit and a false mustache and present themselves suavely as Mr. Right, the benefactor of all; if they happen to be just what we like, that is only happy coincidence. To live wisely, we need to be able to recognize right desires and yield to them, which is a pleasant but rare state of affairs. But much more important, we need to be able to recognize wrong desires and resist them.
This can be very difficult. There are times when we have to take on the desire face to face, like a boxer in the ring. The very attitude of resisting in the face of a wrong desire is the beginning of good health, vitality, and love."
--Eknath Easwaran
I just watched President Obama give a brilliant and moving speech at Ft. Hood about last week's massacre. At one point, he spoke of the "justice" the "gunman" will receive "in this life and the next." I'm wondering what justice would entail in a case such as this.
thank you for that article Nag on women perpetrators. I read it and others that were available via that link you posted.
You're welcome, Brenda.
November 11
We can only learn to know ourselves and do what we can – namely, surrender our will and fulfill God’s will in us.
– Saint Teresa of Avila
"From what I have seen of life, problems are a repertory theater. We may see all sorts of characters, but only a very few problems are playing all the roles. Self-will, of course, is the most versatile of actors. In fact, in a sense, he is the only actor. He can play any part, anytime. He throws us off guard by continually changing his costume, so that we think we are dealing with a brand-new problem, instead of the famous ham, Mr. Ego. Today he may star as Alf, The Amazing Palate Craving, tomorrow as Why-don’t-you-love-me Winifred.
Give us a problem that we recognize – dressed in a particular costume, cast in a particular role, appearing at a particular place and time – and we know how to deal with it. But the moment the same problem appears in a way we do not expect – say, wearing a false mustache and a fez – we go to pieces. The mind looks through its catalog and throws up its hands: “Boss, this isn’t supposed to happen! I don’t know what to do.”
We can learn to see the underlying problem, self-will, and deal with it, instead of trying to deal with each individual disguise."
--Eknath Easwaran
Last night I watched a few minutes of a show on one of the cable channels about Phillip Garrido. They were talking about this blog and showing a re-creation of Garrido posting to it when my wife decided to switch to another channel. Oh well...
I watched this. You really should have. It talked about the weird creepy guy who seems lost in this world like Garrido and who thinks the universe caused this and not the Garridos. You really should write to them and get a copy of it. What I see is a really weird guy who says the universe did it, we all have are own universe out of our control, there is not god, but keeps posting garbage from a lunatic saying what god requires of us to be a good people. Now not only does the bible tell us the evil in the world would use God's words to twist our minds and lead us to do evil, but I find you quite contradictory. Either your universe does it and you have no control, which means you essentially piss your pants every day, or there is a god. Which is it? Why don't you get a life, move on and stop your petty bullshit. What is more, I can't believe you post your picture. If the discovery channel videoed it, I missed it, but I sure as hell hope they did. I think quite a few people need to know how to pick a crazy ass person like you out of a crowd should you ever go near them. I hope that picture brings you all the trouble you deserve you lame disgusting pervert! I hope everyone's universe can't help from hunting you down like the skunk you seem to be.
"I hope that picture brings you all the trouble you deserve you lame disgusting pervert! I hope everyone's universe can't help from hunting you down like the skunk you seem to be."
God Bless you, "GilStone." :-)
I would rather have dinner with a pit of rattle snakes than take a blessing from blatant nutcase like you. But hey, May God Slay You :)
Gil, what hatred you have for a guy who probably lives as clean a life as you do if not more so, who has never done you any harm, and wishes you the best.
I frown upon all monotheistic religions. But I frown most on Islam. Not just because of the actions of people like Nidal Hasan, but because Islam appears to be grounded on assumptions that encourage a fundamentalistic bibliolatry too readily appropriated to rationalize senseless cruelty and violence and stifling oppression and backwardness.
But I still want to give credit where credit is due, and I give credit to Juhdi Jasser, president of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, for stating the following:
"It is time for us to publicly debate imams that do believe that there should be a role for politics in the mosque because until we can separate mosque and state, the virus that infiltrates the minds of people like Hasan is going to continue. It only can be rooted out by an Islam that is at ease with liberty, freedom, and believes in American constitutional law."
My only question is, Can a Muslim who truly embraces the teachings of the Quran and his faith REALLY "be at ease" with the separation of mosque and state that Jasser urges? I don't see how.
November 12
You never enjoy the world aright, till the Sea itself floweth in your veins, till you are clothed with the heavens, and crowned with the stars; and perceive yourself to be the sole heir of the whole world, and more than so, because men are in it who are every one sole heirs as well as you.
– Thomas Traherne
"In our relationship with the environment, the real power does not lie in the hands of technologists or politicians or directors of multinational corporations. It is individuals like you and me who make the final decisions about what is bought and sold in the stores, how much carbon dioxide is pumped into the atmosphere, and what is dumped into the sea. Each of us can begin to heal the environment right away by changing our daily habits.
And beyond that, there is another area which deserves our immediate attention: the world within. For each of us has an entire world within, an internal environment as real as the one we see around us. This internal environment has a powerful effect on the external environment: the way we think affects the way we treat the earth. When we purify this inner environment, we are not only making ourselves more secure and fulfilled, but we are also making an important contribution to the health of Mother Earth."
--Eknath Easwaran
Look who's talking again. The nasty SOB needs to plead guilty and keep his mouth shut. Now that would mean a h*ll of a lot more than his apology letters sent to the media.
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Jaycee Dugard's alleged kidnapper apologizesUPDATED: 07:49 AM EST 11.13.09 (CNN)Phillip Garrido, who is accused of kidnapping and raping an 11-year-old and then holding her captive for 18 years, apologized in a jailhouse letter sent to a television station, the California station said Thursday.In the handwritten letter this week to CNN affiliate KCRA, Garrido seemed to address the kidnapping of Jaycee Dugard."First off I want to apologize to every human being for what has taken place," KCRA said the letter states.The second sentence of the letter appeared to refer to what Garrido has described as a religious transformation that cured him of his sexual deviancy.It says: "People all over the world are hearing testimony that through the spirit of Christ a mental process took place ending a sexual problem believed to be impossible."The letter, which is the third sent to the station, also addressed other issues, but the station declined to release more details."We are not releasing the entire letter at this time based on consultations with our attorneys," said Anzio Williams, news director at KCRA. "We will tell the story and reference the letter."Read earlier letter from Garrido to KCRAGarrido and his wife, Nancy, face multiple felony charges in the 1991 kidnapping of Dugard from South Lake Tahoe, California.Authorities say he and his wife held Dugard in a hidden compound behind their home in Antioch, California, for 18 years. The Garridos have pleaded not guilty.Dugard now lives in seclusion with her mother, Terry Probyn, and Dugard's two daughters, who police say were fathered by Garrido.In September, an attorney for Dugard's family said it had been a difficult transition for her and her daughters, who are now 11 and 15, given that her captivity spanned more than half her life and was the only world she knew for so long."But there is no question that she knows that terrible and wrong things were done to her and that those people must be held accountable," McGregor Scott said.Page 1 of 2
November 13
Love, all alike, no season knows, nor clime,
Nor hours, days, months, which are the rags of time.
– John Donne
"Loyalty is a precious quality that we have almost lost sight of today. Instead of loyalty, almost everyone talks about freedom, especially in relationships. The idea is that if two people come together in freedom, each can walk out of the arrangement. This is supposed to be a complete safeguard against unhappiness. But even where both are free to walk out – where there are no obligations, no bonds, not even any ties – they go on doing this over and over and do not acquire the capacity to love. Without loyalty, it simply is not possible to love deeply."
--Eknath Easwaran
I'm going for an MRI scan on my left inner ear sometime in the next 2-3 weeks.
Dr. Dr., I hope the results of the scan lead to a favorable prognosis.
Thanks Nag! Much Appreciated.
Uh Huh, just a little more bullshit huh Garrido. Kind of like when you told the Judge during your first sentence that you were a changed man. Right? Hmm, didn't you then say it was not you who raped but that the LSD and other drugs made you do it. You would never do it again. Isn't that why they let you out of prison so you could continue committing your horrible crime.
I think they only thing you are sorry about is that you are now an old man that cannot get it up anymore. I think you knew that for a very long time, and if you didn't touch anyone for so long that is why.
Changed man my ass!!!! Apology my ass. Since you claim you haven't touched anyone for 11 years, since your youngest daughter was born, because you were a changed man. WHY IN THE FUCK DID YOU NOT SEND JAYCEE HOME THEN.
You are a liar, you are a twister, you are a fucken dirty rotten smelly scuzbucket!
You are the scum, below the scum, below the scum, below the scum of the earth. Rot in the HELL you have created for yourself. YOU MAKE THE WORLD SICK TO THEIR STOMACHS.
Uh Huh, just a little more bullshit huh Garrido. Kind of like when you told the Judge during your first sentence that you were a changed man. Right? Hmm, didn't you then say it was not you who raped but that the LSD and other drugs made you do it. You would never do it again. Isn't that why they let you out of prison so you could continue committing your horrible crime.
I think they only thing you are sorry about is that you are now an old man that cannot get it up anymore. I think you knew that for a very long time, and if you didn't touch anyone for so long that is why.
Changed man my ass!!!! Apology my ass. Since you claim you haven't touched anyone for 11 years, since your youngest daughter was born, because you were a changed man. WHY IN THE FUCK DID YOU NOT SEND JAYCEE HOME THEN.
You are a liar, you are a twister, you are a fucken dirty rotten smelly scuzbucket!
You are the scum, below the scum, below the scum, below the scum of the earth. Rot in the HELL you have created for yourself. YOU MAKE THE WORLD SICK TO THEIR STOMACHS.
Do you feel better now, "Gilstone"?
Oh fuck off pervert. Nothing would make me happier than to see you called out on the carpet for what you are. Nothing but the same bullshit as Garrido falls from your mouth. You are one and the same scuzbucket! Rot in hell. I'll be praying for a more suitable one for you too!
My dear "Gilstone," I'll be praying for all that hatred and anger in you to transmute into love and joy. You and the world around you will be a lot happier when it does.
For all we know, the only real hell is the one we make for ourselves or others make for us here in this life. It sounds to me as though you may inhabit your own hell of festering, malignant hatred right here and now. May you find your way out of hell on earth and into heaven on earth, my friend.
I think I'll pick up your flatulence for everyone to know who you really are scuzbucket.
God bless, Gilstone.
More FLATULENCE from the HACKER man who says: And while you're at it, kiss my big sweaty ass while I unleash monstrous flatulence in your face.
There is nothing to resolve with you Nag. You are hell bent on twisting things, your goal is clear. You are the "false witness". Read your posts and go away in shame.
3 times Jesus asked to make his point clear. "Do you love me?", yes Lord, I love you. "Watch out for my sheep". "Do you love me?" Yes Lord, I love you. "Watch out for my sheep" "Do you love me?" Yes Lord, you know that I love you, you know all. Did Jesus have to say again, then watch out for my sheep, or did he know that if we loved him, we would?
Watchout everyone, Nagarajuna is hacking computers. He didn't get mine, but he got into some confidential business docs with personal information of a young girl Those docs have confidential information and it is a Federal Crime.
Nagarjuna said:
"Vladb, .. Now you say I'm a "pedophile lover" and, therefore, "worse than the actual pedophile,"
I would be obligated to love or, at least try to love, Garrido
All you've done is continue to babble on about how you'd like to rape or see others rape and torture this sick man for the rest of his life for his sick deeds and then see him agonize in hell forever and ever for them.
it seems to me that our species is doomed by its inability to rise above its baser emotions and see things clearly. In this case, this means seeing that it is wrong to hate and publicly advocate the rape and torture of a human being for his sick acts."
August 29, 2009 9:21 AM
Then Nagarjuna said:
And while you're at it, kiss my big sweaty ass while I unleash monstrous flatulence in your face. :-)
October 17, 2009 5:12 PM
Then Nagarjuna said:
if we overreact to it the way you describe and call it such an awful, disgustingly repulsive, monstrous thing that destroys children's lives, how does it REALLY help
October 18, 2009 9:31 AM
Then Nagarjuna said:
Let me spread my cheeks for you, Boogie, "Jeff," Samantha, and Freak. Move in close and prepare to inhale deeply. :-)
October 18, 2009 10:11 AM
Then Nagarjuna said:
Don't you know that I am God? :-)
Then..... This is one for the books, I couldn't help from adding it - and you have a hell of a lot of nerve criticizing Christianity with this type of thinking. Whoa!!!!
Then Nagarjuna said:
"If there is nothing outside the universe, there can be no one and no-thing outside the ultimate you to make THAT you do what you do. It's the universe's doing. PG's actions were the universe's doing.
October 24, 2009 6:12 PM"
Then Nagarjuna said...
"How and why would one humble one's heart to a God in which one doesn't believe and finds not only extremely improbable but disgustingly offensive?
October 27, 2009 9:35 PM
Then Nagarjuna said...
I don't know that the Lord exists, nor do I know for sure that he doesn't.
October 29, 2009 10:47 AM
Then Nagarjuna said...
"...a public internet forum where people should be able to discuss subjects like Christianity in a straightforward manner so long as they don't personally attack or insult the people with whom they're discussing them.
I believe that I have lived up to this standard rather well over the past several days in my discussion of Christianity.
October 29, 2009 2:57 PM
Then Nagarjuna said:
I defended PG against irrational hatred and vindictiveness stemming from a lack of understanding of how he couldn't help but do the terrible things he did.
October 29, 2009 11:22 PM
Oh My, HOW WOULD NAG KNOW GARRIDO COULDN'T HELP IT????? Oh, he could have helped himself, but he chose not to!!!!
IS NAGARJUNA SOMEHOW KNOWN TO GARRIDO, OR POSSIBLY CAN REALLY RECOGNIZE GARRIDO'S MIND. HMMMM SOMETHING TO PONDER AND RUN LIKE HELL FROM.
YOU ARE A PSYCHOPATH!!!
I think Nag DOES a lot more than love the pedophiles!
You've left a lot out, my friend. You present a false as well as very one-sided picture of your dear friend the Nag. But God bless you anyway, "Jeff"...I mean "Gil." :-)
These statements alone should tell anyone the truth in who Nag really is:
Then Nagarjuna said:
And while you're at it, kiss my big sweaty ass while I unleash monstrous flatulence in your face. :-)
October 17, 2009 5:12 PM
Then Nagarjuna said:
if we overreact to it the way you describe and call it such an awful, disgustingly repulsive, monstrous thing that destroys children's lives, how does it REALLY help
October 18, 2009 9:31 AM
Then Nagarjuna said:
Let me spread my cheeks for you, Boogie, "Jeff," Samantha, and Freak. Move in close and prepare to inhale deeply. :-)
October 18, 2009 10:11 AM
Just look at all his posts about God and Love over the past week. How Contradictory is this. Just like Garrido!!!!!!
I left nothing out Nag, I mean Beast!
With all due respect, "Gil," I think the following repost provides a much more accurate picture of the real Nag and where he's coming from here:
You and I may respectfully disagree on this, but I do not think the "venting" of anger and hatred that occurred here was "okay," because I believe that, although it was certainly understandable for people to feel extreme anger and even hatred for anyone who had done what PG had obviously done, we humans do harmful violence to ourselves and to society as a whole when we express these kinds of emotions and reinforce them in each other.
I do not subscribe to the idea that when we feel vindictive anger and hatred, it's healthy to "vent" it by screaming hateful things at people. When we do that, we don't purge these emotions, but, rather, we make them stronger and strengthen our tendency to respond to more and more situations and people in verbally and, in some cases, physically violent ways.
Not only that, but when an entire society does this and becomes more angry and hateful in response to more and more situations and people, the ultimate effect is to encourage rather than discourage people to commit more hateful acts.
In other words, to take Garrido's case, you might think that if we all come down really hard on Garrido and openly express extreme hatred for him and all those who sexually abuse others and we treat them extremely harshly after they're caught, this will lower the incidence of sexual abuse. But I think what might very well happen instead is that more such crimes will be committed by people too frightened by the growing hatred openly expressed against them to seek help and so self-loathing because of all this hatred that they act in loathsome ways.
In other words, the more you hate yourself because everybody else hates you or would hate you if they knew what you felt or were, the more you're likely to hate yourself and everyone else, and the more you hate yourself and everyone else, the more you're likely to do hateful, awful things to others to hurt them because you hate them so much and to hurt yourself because you hate yourself so much.
November 5, 2009 10:33 AM
The real Nag HA HA HA. So you admit it, there is the liar Nag, and the disgusting foul mouthed Nag. Can't be both, must be a thing equivalent of:
Then Nagarjuna said:
And while you're at it, kiss my big sweaty ass while I unleash monstrous flatulence in your face. :-)
October 17, 2009 5:12 PM
All Gas, No Heart!
Hmmm. THATS IT!!!! The universe is made up of GAS!!!!!!
Nag is the Gas we all pass!
Gil, the "real Nag" is just an ordinary guy who loves his wife and family, tries to be nice to everyone but sometimes fails when people aren't nice to him or to others, and has and expresses some unusual if not unpopular views about some things.
I've committed no crimes, and I've told no lies nor misrepresented myself here in any way. And, yes, I DO believe that my previous post provides a much clearer picture of who I am and what I'm about than the distorted and false version that you provided.
God bless.
GilStone said...
The real Nag HA HA HA. So you admit it, there is the liar Nag, and the disgusting foul mouthed Nag. Can't be both, must be a thing equivalent of:
Then Nagarjuna said:
And while you're at it, kiss my big sweaty ass while I unleash monstrous flatulence in your face. :-)
October 17, 2009 5:12 PM
All Gas, No Heart!
November 13, 2009 9:29 AM
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Blogger GilStone said...
Hmmm. THATS IT!!!! The universe is made up of GAS!!!!!!
November 13, 2009 9:30 AM
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Blogger GilStone said...
Nag is the Gas we all pass!
November 13, 2009 9:30 AM
"Gil," how old ARE you? :-)
Dt 8:2 and 3
Remember the long way that the LORD your God has led you these forty years in the wilderness, in order to humble you, testing you to know what was in your heart, whether or not you would keep his commandments. He humbled you by letting you hunger, then by feeding you with manna, with which neither your ancestors were acquainted, in order to make you understand that one does not live by bread alone, but.............
"by every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD."
More FLATULENCE from the HACKER man who says: And while you're at it, kiss my big sweaty ass while I unleash monstrous flatulence in your face.
There is nothing to resolve with you Nag. You are hell bent on twisting things, your goal is clear. You are the "false witness". Read your posts and go away in shame.
3 times Jesus asked to make his point clear. "Do you love me?", yes Lord, I love you. "Watch out for my sheep". "Do you love me?" Yes Lord, I love you. "Watch out for my sheep" "Do you love me?" Yes Lord, you know that I love you, you know all. Did Jesus have to say again, then watch out for my sheep, or did he know that if we loved him, we would?
Watchout everyone, Nagarajuna is hacking computers. He didn't get mine, but he got into some confidential business docs with personal information of a young girl Those docs have confidential information and it is a Federal Crime.
Nagarjuna said:
"Vladb, .. Now you say I'm a "pedophile lover" and, therefore, "worse than the actual pedophile,"
I would be obligated to love or, at least try to love, Garrido
All you've done is continue to babble on about how you'd like to rape or see others rape and torture this sick man for the rest of his life for his sick deeds and then see him agonize in hell forever and ever for them.
it seems to me that our species is doomed by its inability to rise above its baser emotions and see things clearly. In this case, this means seeing that it is wrong to hate and publicly advocate the rape and torture of a human being for his sick acts."
August 29, 2009 9:21 AM
Then Nagarjuna said:
And while you're at it, kiss my big sweaty ass while I unleash monstrous flatulence in your face. :-)
October 17, 2009 5:12 PM
Then Nagarjuna said:
if we overreact to it the way you describe and call it such an awful, disgustingly repulsive, monstrous thing that destroys children's lives, how does it REALLY help
October 18, 2009 9:31 AM
Then Nagarjuna said:
Let me spread my cheeks for you, Boogie, "Jeff," Samantha, and Freak. Move in close and prepare to inhale deeply. :-)
October 18, 2009 10:11 AM
Then Nagarjuna said:
Don't you know that I am God? :-)
Then..... This is one for the books, I couldn't help from adding it - and you have a hell of a lot of nerve criticizing Christianity with this type of thinking. Whoa!!!!
Then Nagarjuna said:
"If there is nothing outside the universe, there can be no one and no-thing outside the ultimate you to make THAT you do what you do. It's the universe's doing. PG's actions were the universe's doing.
October 24, 2009 6:12 PM"
Then Nagarjuna said...
"How and why would one humble one's heart to a God in which one doesn't believe and finds not only extremely improbable but disgustingly offensive?
October 27, 2009 9:35 PM
Then Nagarjuna said...
I don't know that the Lord exists, nor do I know for sure that he doesn't.
October 29, 2009 10:47 AM
Then Nagarjuna said...
"...a public internet forum where people should be able to discuss subjects like Christianity in a straightforward manner so long as they don't personally attack or insult the people with whom they're discussing them.
I believe that I have lived up to this standard rather well over the past several days in my discussion of Christianity.
October 29, 2009 2:57 PM
Then Nagarjuna said:
I defended PG against irrational hatred and vindictiveness stemming from a lack of understanding of how he couldn't help but do the terrible things he did.
October 29, 2009 11:22 PM
Oh My, HOW WOULD NAG KNOW GARRIDO COULDN'T HELP IT????? Oh, he could have helped himself, but he chose not to!!!!
IS NAGARJUNA SOMEHOW KNOWN TO GARRIDO, OR POSSIBLY CAN REALLY RECOGNIZE GARRIDO'S MIND. HMMMM SOMETHING TO PONDER AND RUN LIKE HELL FROM.
YOU ARE A PSYCHOPATH!!!
How old ARE you, "Gil"? :-) :-)
Old enough not to say foul things and claim I didn't say them or that it was not me who said it. I don't make excuses for what I say, because I don't have anything to hide. What about you Nag, what are you hiding amongst all your Godly words when you have stated you do not believe in God, what are you hiding behind all your loving words when the you already spoke the truth of what is in your heart.
I think you are a disgusting creep trying to attract individuals with your lies, but thank GOD, your true colors have been exposed for the world to see!!!!
A fake, with a disgusting mouth and thoughts, spinning a web of lies to attract godly people because you know they love and forgive. You are a spider those people need to run from.
Now will you go fuck off?
"Old enough not to say foul things and claim I didn't say them or that it was not me who said it."
It's interesting that you say that, my friend, because it illustrates not only the falseness of your accusations but also how you ignore the "log" in your own eye. For, first of all, I've not only admitted that I said those "foul" things about "flatulence" that you criticize me for, but I apologized for them.
But what is MORE "foul," my friend? Jokes about inhaling one's "monstrous flatulence," or falsely accusing someone of a federal crime, falsely insinuating that he's a pedophile, calling him a "satanic beast," and telling him to "rot in hell"?
Think, my friend, think!
"What about you Nag, what are you hiding amongst all your Godly words when you have stated you do not believe in God, what are you hiding behind all your loving words when the you already spoke the truth of what is in your heart."
I'm not hiding anything, my dear friend. I've shown more of myself here than anyone has precisely because I have nothing to hide. Who are YOU, behind all your monikers? Where do YOU live? What do YOU look like? YOU are the one who hides.
And, just for the record, I do believe in "God," just not in conventional monotheistic concepts of God. And as for my "loving words," I DO believe in looking for the best in everyone and in treating everyone with compassion and respect, but I don't always succeed. How about you, my friend? :-)
Now I bid you bad day! May God Slay you Beast!
God bless, "GilStone." :-)
Very good point about Garrio's false claims of blame and sorry GilStone. I don't believe it, nor accept it either. I do not believe he knew the meaning of sorrow for his crime at all either, if he did, I to believe he would have sent Jaycee home and turned himself in a very long time ago. I think he is pulling another con job, looking for that lime light he started for when he finally got busted.
The news interview with that psychologist was despicable regarding Garrido's apology. She said she thought he meant it, but he didn't take responsibility for it. She gets this from a letter he wrote, without looking at the past of this man. I think she is a quack to think anything real of an apology could come from a man who said this all before. I think she should be called before the medical board for making such assessments without the man's history.
I think both Garridos should admit their guilt and get it over with, and let Jaycee and the girls free, but since this Garrido lies and continues to try to sway the public such as last word pansy, it is clear there is no meaning to his apology. Meaningless words and blame for something else causing his actions and words are only a rouse for media attention. I hope he gets it. I hope the entire world knows to much and is unable to sit on his jury and it is given to the hardest judge of the California. I hope he is sentenced to a prison without segregation of any kind!
Garrido, since man runs the laws here on earth and God's laws are ignored, I see nothing wrong with wishing you the torment you deserve since they will not kill you. I hope you, all like you, and supporters of you live a long suffering life here on earth getting return for the pain and heartbreak you cause Jaycee and her girls, and others. I hope they rip you into shreds little by little. If man's law doesn't allow God's law, there will be a death coming to you. You and your evil heart will not go unnoticed come your final hour, you will be facing the most horrific of eternal deaths!
"Rainy," are you Christian?
Yet another lie aimed at capitalizing on a claim of insanity. I agree Rainy, the man is as manipulative as they get. Apology to the world. The world doesn't care what happens to you Garrido. YOU SUCK BIG DICKS and will forever be stuck with that, you will live the life you lived buddy.
Delaying the trial may be doing Jaycee some good while she gains an understanding of true civilization. Although this delay is allowing Garrido to much time to work on his insanity act. I can't believe he hasn't dropped the soap yet. I CAN'T WAIT for him to get his!
November 13, 2009
Tricycle's Daily Dharma
Loving the Enemy
"If your own best friend went mad and came at you with a knife to kill you, what would you do? You would seek to disarm your friend, but then you would not proceed to beat the person, would you? You would disarm the attacker in whatever way you could—you might even have to hit the person in order to disarm him, but once you have managed to disarm him, you would not go on to hurt him. Why? Because he is close to you.
If you felt that everyone in the whole universe was in the same relationship to you as your very best friend, and if you saw anyone who attacked you as your best friend gone mad, you would not respond with hatred. You would respond with behavior that was appropriate, but you would not be seeking to retaliate and harm the person out of hatred. He would be too dear to you."
- Jeffrey Hopkins, from “Everyone as a Friend,” Tricycle, Summer 2002
Guess what? PG might claim a "spiritual transformation" again in his leter to a California radio station (that is how he cheated the parole board before). May the sins be forgiven to a gang member who will transform PG into a corpse at last.
November 14
I think the world today is upside-down and is suffering so much because there is so very little love in the homes and in family life. We have no time for our children, we have no time for each other; there is no time to enjoy each other.
– Mother Teresa of Calcutta
"An obsession with hurry has been so worked into our social system that we scarcely notice we do not have time to love. Everywhere the slogan is “Hurry, hurry, hurry.” Yet to be aware of the needs of others, to spend time with others, to speak and act with thoughtfulness, patience, and consideration, we must give time – a lot more time than most of us are willing to give at present.
We all need warm, deep, personal relationships to thrive, but modern life seems to place such a small value on them – compared with the high value placed on money and prestige and pleasure. It is so easy to be distracted and to fritter our attention away in countless ways, until we find we have little left for family and friends. By simplifying our lives, dropping less important activities, we allow more time for what matters most. But it is also essential to slow down our pace of living, so that we can free ourselves from the grip of time-driven thinking and behavior."
--Eknath Easwaran
I think Nag is another master manipulator, trying to tone down the guilt of a pedophile. I don't wonder why, I know why, he tells you one minute that he is spreading his cheeks to fart in your face, then proclaims to be a loving man. I say he has something to hide, and something to protect - himself! The man spouts God's word, but says that there is no God, the universe made Garrido do it. It is really a sick and demented thing to try selling the art of loving a pedophile by guilt is really nothing other than asking people to just accept it. I say Fuck Nag! The harshest punishments and contempt should go down on pedophiles. There is nothing to understand except they are selfish users of people and flesh. Dog Food! You ever wonder why Nag has to quote words of love from other writers? Can it be his heart doesn't know it and he has to find it someplace else? I think so. He is like a man offering a child candy! Watch out!
Today's news (really the same as Nag's manipulation and "use" of God's word as well):
D.A. calls Phillip Garrido a 'master manipulator'
El Dorado County's chief prosecutor responds to three letters that the man accused of kidnapping and raping Jaycee Lee Dugard sent from jail to a Sacramento television station.
Phillip Garrido, accused of kidnapping and raping Jaycee Lee Dugard, is a "master manipulator" who wants to "control" his victims, El Dorado County Dist. Atty. Vern Pierson said Friday.
Pierson made the written statement in response to three letters that Garrido sent from jail to Sacramento television station KCRA.
In the most recent letter, Garrido said he wanted to "apologize to every human being for what has taken place."
He wrote that Christ had helped cure him of a sexual problem.
"People all over the world are hearing testimony that through the spirit of Christ a mental process took place ending a sexual problem believed to be impossible," Garrido wrote in a letter that the station received Thursday.
Pierson said his office decided to respond because Garrido appeared to be trying to "control the situation around him and his prior victims."
The district attorney noted that Garrido previously has sought leniency "due to claims of religious transformation and alleged personal change."
Pierson called Garrido's newest statements to the media "eerily similar to what Mr. Garrido told the judge who sentenced him in 1977 and to the parole board when he duped them into releasing him from prison after serving only 11 years of a 50-year federal sentence and 5-to-life Nevada state sentence. It has become clear from Mr. Garrido's repeated calls and letters that he is attempting to manipulate the process, the people involved in that process, and, most significantly, his prior victims."
Garrido is accused of kidnapping Dugard, now 29, when she was 11 and confining her in a ramshackle set of buildings and tents in his backyard in Contra Costa County. Authorities said he is the father of Dugard's two daughters, ages 11 and 15.
Garrido's wife, Nancy, also faces kidnapping and rape charges.
"Our office fully intends to hold Mr. Garrido legally accountable for his actions and see that he is punished to the full extent of the law," Pierson said.
maura.dolan@latimes.com
THANK YOU MR. PIERSON.... Now will you look at NAG too?
Gil, my friend, WHOM and I trying to "mainpipulate," and into WHAT am I trying to "manipulate" them?
You and I both know that you can't present an answer that will stand up to scrutiny. If you don't know this, then try to answer my question, and let's examine your answer carefully. Fat chance of that, isn't there, "GilStone"?
It never ceases to amaze me that one who has advocated the lifetime incarceration if not execution of Garrido and others convicted of similar offenses could be reviled and attacked the way you, in your various incarnations, have reviled and attacked me. I think you need to see a therapist, my friend, and get some much needed help.
Oh just keep farting, but leave God out of it you creepy thing. Read my words. Not that I need to stand up to the scrutiny of a phony creepy dude, but you know, its in my words, I checked JeffSees quotes, you did say those disgusting flatulent things, you did say:
Then Nagarjuna said...
"How and why would one humble one's heart to a God in which one doesn't believe and finds not only extremely improbable but disgustingly offensive?
October 27, 2009 9:35 PM
Stop using God to gain people's trust in your phony manipulative words creep. You already denounced him, you have no right to play people for fools like this, and you have no right to tear down the faith of others by acting exactly like Garrido. Use God, when you don't believe, just trying to make him and Christians look bad. You are pathetic!!!! NOTHING LESS! Who is it that you are trying to reel in here, I don't care, boy or girl, you are creepy!
And don't call me friend, you and every employ of Satan are my worst enemy. Another phony word of yours, "Friend". Who are you trying to kid now creep? Don't answer that, you SUCK NAG, and that is all there is to it.
"Read my words."
I did.
"you know, its in my words,"
WHAT'S in your words? Falsehoods, distortions, and misleading expurgations, from what I can see.
"Then Nagarjuna said...
"How and why would one humble one's heart to a God in which one doesn't believe and finds not only extremely improbable but disgustingly offensive?"
Yes, I said that. Don't YOU also find the concept of a supremely loving, just, and merciful God who horribly tortures most of the human race forever and ever after they die "disgustingly offensive"? If not, what kind of person ARE you?
"You already denounced him, you have no right to play people for fools like this"
I denounced the concept of God as an unspeakably evil torturer, not a God of true love, justice, and mercy. It's unfortunate that you don't seem to be able to grasp the distinction.
"Who is it that you are trying to reel in here"
Exactly. Who AM I trying to "reel in" and WHAT am I trying to "reel" them into? The answer is NOBODY and NOTHING except EVERYBODY and GOOD CRITICAL THINKING. :-)
"you SUCK NAG, and that is all there is to it."
God bless you, my troubled friend.
Lie all you want, the truth is in your own phony words creepy manipulator:
More FLATULENCE from the HACKER man who says: And while you're at it, kiss my big sweaty ass while I unleash monstrous flatulence in your face.
There is nothing to resolve with you Nag. You are hell bent on twisting things, your goal is clear. You are the "false witness". Read your posts and go away in shame.
3 times Jesus asked to make his point clear. "Do you love me?", yes Lord, I love you. "Watch out for my sheep". "Do you love me?" Yes Lord, I love you. "Watch out for my sheep" "Do you love me?" Yes Lord, you know that I love you, you know all. Did Jesus have to say again, then watch out for my sheep, or did he know that if we loved him, we would?
Watchout everyone, Nagarajuna is hacking computers. He didn't get mine, but he got into some confidential business docs with personal information of a young girl Those docs have confidential information and it is a Federal Crime.
Nagarjuna said:
"Vladb, .. Now you say I'm a "pedophile lover" and, therefore, "worse than the actual pedophile,"
I would be obligated to love or, at least try to love, Garrido
All you've done is continue to babble on about how you'd like to rape or see others rape and torture this sick man for the rest of his life for his sick deeds and then see him agonize in hell forever and ever for them.
it seems to me that our species is doomed by its inability to rise above its baser emotions and see things clearly. In this case, this means seeing that it is wrong to hate and publicly advocate the rape and torture of a human being for his sick acts."
August 29, 2009 9:21 AM
Then Nagarjuna said:
And while you're at it, kiss my big sweaty ass while I unleash monstrous flatulence in your face. :-)
October 17, 2009 5:12 PM
Then Nagarjuna said:
if we overreact to it the way you describe and call it such an awful, disgustingly repulsive, monstrous thing that destroys children's lives, how does it REALLY help
October 18, 2009 9:31 AM
Then Nagarjuna said:
Let me spread my cheeks for you, Boogie, "Jeff," Samantha, and Freak. Move in close and prepare to inhale deeply. :-)
October 18, 2009 10:11 AM
Then Nagarjuna said:
Don't you know that I am God? :-)
Then..... This is one for the books, I couldn't help from adding it - and you have a hell of a lot of nerve criticizing Christianity with this type of thinking. Whoa!!!!
Then Nagarjuna said:
"If there is nothing outside the universe, there can be no one and no-thing outside the ultimate you to make THAT you do what you do. It's the universe's doing. PG's actions were the universe's doing.
October 24, 2009 6:12 PM"
Then Nagarjuna said...
"How and why would one humble one's heart to a God in which one doesn't believe and finds not only extremely improbable but disgustingly offensive?
October 27, 2009 9:35 PM
Then Nagarjuna said...
I don't know that the Lord exists, nor do I know for sure that he doesn't.
October 29, 2009 10:47 AM
Then Nagarjuna said...
"...a public internet forum where people should be able to discuss subjects like Christianity in a straightforward manner so long as they don't personally attack or insult the people with whom they're discussing them.
I believe that I have lived up to this standard rather well over the past several days in my discussion of Christianity.
October 29, 2009 2:57 PM
Then Nagarjuna said:
I defended PG against irrational hatred and vindictiveness stemming from a lack of understanding of how he couldn't help but do the terrible things he did.
October 29, 2009 11:22 PM
Oh My, HOW WOULD NAG KNOW GARRIDO COULDN'T HELP IT????? Oh, he could have helped himself, but he chose not to!!!!
IS NAGARJUNA SOMEHOW KNOWN TO GARRIDO, OR POSSIBLY CAN REALLY RECOGNIZE GARRIDO'S MIND. HMMMM SOMETHING TO PONDER AND RUN LIKE HELL FROM.
YOU ARE A PSYCHOPATH!!!
"Lie all you want,"
What am I "lying" about, my dear friend?
You can go on posting and reposting the same false and distorted representations of me until your computer wears out. It doesn't alter the truth to be found in the ENTIRETY of my words and conduct here, and not in your "special" version. :-)
Get help, my friend. You seem mentally ill.
If you wish to draw near to God,
seek him in the hearts of those around you.
Speak well of all, present or absent.
If you would be a light for others,
be like the sun: show the same face to all.
To bring joy to a single heart is better
than setting a thousand free.
This is the true lover of God,
who lives with others,
rises and eats and sleeps like others,
gives and takes in the bazaar,
yet never forgets God even for a moment.
--Abu Sa'id
More of God's word from a pedophile promoter.
"More of God's word from a pedophile promoter."
I challenge you, GilStone, to show where I have EVER "promoted" pedophilia. You could never meet this challenge, because your accusation is utterly and completely FALSE.
Get help, my friend.
"Mothers don't punish, Fathers don't punish, you look at God as if he is evil if he punishes and rids the good of the bad."
Let's examine this statement, my friend.
What would YOU think of a mother or father who "punished" her or his children by throwing them into a blazing furnace?
Why would a loving, just, and merciful God "separate" the "bad" from the "good" by throwing the "bad" in an everlasting torture chamber?
Answer me, if you dare to even try. :-)
"The Garridos did the crime and they must pay the price."
And how is spending the rest of one's life in prison or being executed for Garrido's crime NOT "paying the price"?
I must admit, I have to agree. Nagarjuna, you try to hard to try to control the situation. Just like the California District Attorney said that Garrido appeared to be trying to "control the situation around him and his prior victims.", you try to control this situation, but you are wrong, you are off your rocker to think their is no punishment from God for this and other crimes. Stop acting so childish and rebellious to him. If you don't have anything to hide, I just don't get your problem accepting the fact that there is good and their is evil. When man cannot live as God commanded, getting rid of the evil, every man has the right to feel the hatred they feel for these people, AND PEOPLE WHO PROTECT THEM, because we are stuck with the bastards amongst us. God tells us to remove them from amongst us and they must die. So you want to cry about people wanting the Garridos to hurt and feel the same pain they caused, go cry to yourself.
to tell you the truth, you are going to be punished as well for the words you said about God. You may pretend that the universe will be there for you, but history and the proof in God and Jesus tells the truth. I would say you should sit in your corner and do some heavy thinking. Then get down on your knees and beg for forgiveness, that is, if you haven't done something so severe it will not be forgiven (?)
Garrido will die, not as God commands I doubt, but there will be another death for him, and you too if you don't stop maligning your father. Just as you sassed your mother and got slapped, if you went on and on, your mother would have beat your ass within the letter of the law I hope, but you see, God's laws are for a permanent place for his people, you have a lifetime to make it good, bad or ugly. A lifetime to earn which way you will go after death.
As it is, we, the majority want the man dead for his deeds, but this law won't allow it, so yes, if he lives amongst us, it is only fair he get what he dished out. Maybe if someone did something like this to you or yours, you would change your tune. I hope this is not a lesson God has in mind for you. But who knows, keep acting like a spoiled brat know it all who really knows nothing but to copy and paste other good people's words.
It's funny how all these "new" folk keep popping their heads out. :-)
"you are wrong, you are off your rocker to think their is no punishment from God for this and other crimes."
What "punishment" from God do Garrido and other perpetrators of crime deserve?
"every man has the right to feel the hatred they feel for these people, AND PEOPLE WHO PROTECT THEM,"
Then hate away, my friend. I've never said that you don't have the right to hate. I've only argued against the wisdom of it. If you don't want to be wise, then hate all you want and see where that gets you and a society filled with people like you.
But if you want to hate ME for "protecting" PG, how am I doing that when I argue that he should spend the rest of his life incarcerated or be executed?
You make no sense. I think you may be mentally ill. Please seek help, my friend.
Another thing you do Nag, is you pretend you never wrote the posts 1000 to 6000 or so. While you change your tune now attempting to say you feel the punishment is enough, not only did you label Garrido as ill and couldn't help it, why should he pay the way people were saying, but you said you loved him. You said you expect others to love him. YOU ARE A LIAR, you turn words to suit your need. You are a control freak. You always have to have the last word, yet no one agrees with you to date. GO GET A FUCKEN JOB AND BACK TO REALITY, STOP SPENDING ALL YOUR TIME ON YOUR COMPUTER WITH THIS BULLSHIT, AND PUT YOUR PRIORITIES BACK IN ORDER. YOU LOSE. NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU THINK BECAUSE IT IS EASY TO SEE HOW WARPED YOUR THINKING IS. LET THIS PLACE DIE WITH GARRIDO!
Try again bucko. I have posted in here plenty, just not daily like you. I have a life, you may want to give it a try.
When there is news on Garrido, I come back.
"While you change your tune now attempting to say you feel the punishment is enough, not only did you label Garrido as ill and couldn't help it, why should he pay the way people were saying, but you said you loved him."
I have said from the first day that I think Garrido should spend the rest of his life quarantined from society. There's been NO "change of tune."
Yes, I still believe that someone who did what PG did had to be sick to do it, and virtually everyone else who has condemned him here has also called him "sick."
WHERE did I EVER say that I "love" PG? Answer: NOWHERE. NEVER.
"You said you expect others to love him"
If they are Christian, yes, I do. Or at least I expect them to try not to hate him.
"NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU THINK BECAUSE IT IS EASY TO SEE HOW WARPED YOUR THINKING IS."
YOU seem to care an awful lot about my thinking. :-) And if it's "warped," show me how, because, so far, neither you nor your menagerie has even come close. :-)
I respecfully suggest that it is YOU who exhibits the "warped" thinking, and if you'd like to me to show you where and how, just say the word. :-)
Amen bashful to all your posts, but especially your second to the last post!
I don't think it will work though. Nag has a very bad mental problem. He can't stop until he has converted ears to believe that we should love Satan. He will not quit, he has to much time on his hands, he is stubborn, he is just that, a manipulative control freak! He has changed his tune 4 times now. Couldn't say OR THINK a kind word for any victim until posting around 5000 when three people had to pull it out of him and remind him. Then all of a sudden his tuned changed, why, manipulation, if you can't get the mountain to come to Mohamad, Take Mohamad to the Mountain, change your tune, comply a little, then start twisting and turning and suck them in. A master manipulating control freak! Probably Garrido's family member. He won't leave. To stupid. 50 people will follow us, and each time his argument will be, (and it will always be an argument), that each poster is all the same person. One person against his views and that is it. He is so fuckin lost in his own makings and thoughts, it really is very sad.
Have a nice day Nag swarming the blog looking for more comments to argue against. You are such a ugly fucker, inside and out, I want to puke!
One last thing. YOUR WORDS NAG. See what a liar your are, You just screamed you never said you loved Garrido, but you did, you even work on it you stupid fucker:
I would be obligated to love or, at least try to love, Garrido
August 29, 2009 9:21 AM
FUCK OFF WITH YOUR LIES - WE KNOW THEY ARE COMING!
"Gil," you and your menagerie can "puke" your guts out if that will make you feel better. :-)
But I wish you well anyway, and God bless. :-)
LOL, No argument for getting caught in a lie. Just a little more sarcasm. What no flatulence today you smell sick bastard!
Go to hell with Garrido. I bet Gilstone is right, you are probably a family member, must run in the family to be so thoughtless and heartless. Go find some more of other peoples posts of love since you can't find it within yourself. Go on, maybe if you do this for the next 20 years, you may learn to feel it. You may learn to feel when there is no love in others when you know what love is finally. You just better hope you finish the process before you die (grin).
"You just screamed you never said you loved Garrido, but you did, you even work on it you stupid fucker:
I would be obligated to love or, at least try to love, Garrido"
I don't "scream," my friend, I type. :-) And now I laugh at your misrepresentation of my words. I didn't say I loved Garrido or that I even needed to try to love him. I said "If I were Christian, I would be obligated..." But, since I'm not Christian, I don't bear that obligation. But what about YOU, my friend? :-) Are YOU Christian.
You really need to stop relying on maliciously expurgated versions of my words and read my words themselves to get their meaning, my dear, sweet friend. :-)
"LOL, No argument for getting caught in a lie."
Actually, Jeff...I mean GilStone...I mean Bashful02 :-), I had to join my lovely wife for lunch. Otherwise, I would have been delighted to point out the folly of your assertion. But I've already done that in my previous comment, so now you can slink away with a sheepish, feces-eating grin. :-)
"You may learn to feel when there is no love in others when you know what love is finally."
It's obvious that YOU "know "what love is." :-) Let us all follow your loving Christian example. LOL
"Have a nice day Nag swarming the blog looking for more comments to argue against."
I don't have to "swarm" the blog to find foolish comments to refute. You and your menagerie just keep lobbing them at me like overgrown softballs, and I keep swatting them over the fence for homerun after homerun. :-)
Care to lob me another? :-)
Nag how can you be so ignorant. Either you lost your knack for lying completely, or you are severely brain damaged and have lost all ability to reason.
How can you say: "How and why would one humble one's heart to a God in which one doesn't believe and finds not only extremely improbable but disgustingly offensive?
and then expect us to believe you meant that a Christian should love Garrido.
Not that I think that is what you meant, what I am sure you meant is come on folks, the universe did it, not Garrido. Love him, follow his illogical reasoning and action.
I think you are so knotting up and turned around in your lies, you are beginning to believe them.
We know God is a loving God, but we also know he is a JUST God. You and Garrido can go rot in hell for all I care. We don't need your kind.
Again GilStone, I agree with you. GO FUCK OFF NAG! Your lies don't work here anymore. Maybe if you WORK for a living, you can grow up some, or you can fool all those around you to believe you are worthy of controlling them.
"How can you say: "How and why would one humble one's heart to a God in which one doesn't believe and finds not only extremely improbable but disgustingly offensive?" and then expect us to believe you meant that a Christian should love Garrido."
Simple. Because that's what I actually said. :-) WHACK...Another home run! :-)
"We know God is a loving God, but we also know he is a JUST God."
Yes, a "loving" and "just" God tortures most of the human race forever and ever after they die. :-) With a "loving" and "just" God like that, who needs a hateful and hideously UNjust one? :-) WHACK! Another home run! :-)
"GO FUCK OFF NAG!"
Bless you too, my sweet friend. :-)
"I haven't lied about anything here, and I challenge you to prove otherwise. :-)
"You have refuted nothing."
Sure I have. Show me even one point you've made that I've addressed where I didn't REFUTE it. :-)
LMAO. I think we all need hip high boots now, it sure has gotten deep. I have nothing to refute with you. You have done that yourself. Oh what tangled webs we weave! Go Fuck Off some more, it helps show the light!
"I have nothing to refute with you. You have done that yourself."
That's right. I HAVE refuted your ridiculous accusations. If you disagree, I'm still looking for that example of where I've addressed one of your silly statements and NOT refuted it. :-)
"Did you get that with your size, beating people into submission."
I'm a lover, not a fighter. :-)
"Take the words for what they are Nag, you know when you write stupid responses like that, everyone else gets to see your stupidity as well. :)"
Show me where I've made a "stupid response.":-)
"Take some time and think how you can attempt to worm your way out of this LOL."
"Worm my way" out of WHAT? You're the one who has some "worming" to do. Or else you can "man" up and say, "Ok, Nag, I admit that I've made a fool out of myself here and you've made it very clear, but I'm going to shut up now and slink off like the whipped dog that I am, and if and when I dare to come back, probably under yet ANOTHER username, I'm going to try to make intelligent comments." :-)
"LOL. I don't think I would have to do anything that day except copy all the posts in here today and post them then."
Please DO repost everything I've said today. But be sure to be fair and post my statements in their entirety. :-)
"when you don't believe in God."
I do believe in God, just not your "loving" torturing God. :-)
"Just not an You pathetic fool,"
God bless you too. :-)
In just a few minutes, at 7PM PST, the Investigation Discovery Channel will be showing a one hour episode on the Jaycee Dugard story.
Aside from the recent comments, I made a reference to this Blog on mine: hankram.blogspot.com
November 15
If there is righteousness in the heart, there will be beauty in the character. If there is beauty in the character, there will be harmony in the home. If there is harmony in the home, there will be order in the nation. If there is order in the nation, there will be peace in the world.
– Confucian tradition
"In a home where one person can be patient and forgiving, even if the rest of the family does not see eye to eye with him or her, they will share in a spiritual bonus. All of us benefit by living with someone who does not live for himself or herself.
It is misleading to think that people who meditate are seeking only their own illumination. They are contributing to the removal of selfishness and separateness in the world."
--Eknath Easwaran
a fat 5.5 foot low self esteem dateless fool living in his mama's basement always tries to look cooler online. but this guy doesn't even know it doesn't look so cool to post this kind of crap on a pedophile blog. just rid the earth of these peds and things will be bright again.
Hankram I read your blog. I know your intent is good, but you are mistaken. While the bible does not specifically detail Jaycees situation as you stated on your blog it does not tell us what to do with Garrido - that is so wrong. The bible tells us to KILL him - to rid ourselves, rid the earth of kidnappers and sexually deviant men. It also tells us those who defame God and manipulate his words and purpose to any man, not just child, will endure the greatest of suffering. Let me know if you want the scripture. I go by fact, not my own wishing and personal want, so I am willing to get the scripture if you want it. It is good to release the guilt other people want to place upon you and others for feeling such disgust in this monster.
To create your own version of God to allow for you to live life without concern is nothing less than a selfish fairytale, but when you subject others to these lies, you will pay dearly - interestingly, a punishment you tried so hard to run from while you lied you will now certainly face. :-( Vengeance in this belongs to the Lord alone.
If you really think about it, isn't the worst defamation of God the one that says He hideously tortures most of the human race forever and ever after they die, including those who harm other people because their mental illness makes them do it, and those who argue against this monstrous portrayal of God?
If you really think about it,
doesn't that picture of Nagarjuna look like a penis with to black cancer spots side by side along with a couple of venereal warts and a beany?
What I find hideous is that someone can turn equal justice into "hideous tortures". What I find hideous torture is what Garrido did to Jaycee, not just for 18 years, but that he left her horrible disgusting memories for the remainder of her life. What I find hideous is that while Garrido left these happenings for Jaycee to think about for the remainder of her life, he still tries to reach her, while making excuse and phony apology for himself. What I find hideous is that Jaycee will be forced to battle within herself to try to find the love that was so innocently in her heart before ever meeting him. What I find hideous torture is that it will take more than a lifetime to find peace with what is instilled within her. What I find hideous and deserving of equal justice is when someone turns a selfish sexually deviant want against all mankind and torture a child and then blame it on a mental illness. What I find hideous is that someone can do this all the while a child cries in pain before them. What I find hideous is that the fear and pain of a child didn't have an effect on this man because what he wanted for himself was so much more important. What I find hideous and worthy of everlasting torture is this man who everyone knew from the beginning was a demented fool is still here posting crap to defame Christianity, God and promoting mental illness as a means to get away with his crimes.
What I find just, is to place Nagarjuna in the same cell with Garrido for the rest of his life and let God deal with the both of you when you die from this earth.
"doesn't that picture of Nagarjuna look like a penis with to black cancer spots side by side along with a couple of venereal warts and a beany?"
How unfortunate that someone feels the need to resort to this kind of profoundly mean-spirited personal attack, and how amusingly ironic that his menagerie has repeatedly criticized me for far less malevolent ones even after I've apologized for them. :-)
"What I find hideous is that someone can turn equal justice into "hideous tortures"."
What PG did to Jaycee was terrible in every way, and he should never be allowed to do to anyone else what he did to her. But I can't think of ANY definition of "equal justice" that entails a mentally ill person being tortured forever in hell.
"What I find hideous and worthy of everlasting torture is this man who everyone knew from the beginning was a demented fool is still here posting crap to defame Christianity, God and promoting mental illness as a means to get away with his crimes."
It becomes increasingly evident that the person who says this is deranged and in urgent need of psychiatric intervention. It is also plainly obvious that this person cannot cogently explain how the lifetime incarceration or execution that I've advocated for PG constitutes "getting away" with his crime, NOR can he rebut any of my arguments against the concept of an eternally torturing God and against malignant and ultimately counterproductive hatred, NOR can he engage me in intelligent discussion of ANY kind. He is clearly someone to be pitied. I hope he quickly gets the help he desperately needs.
"doesn't that picture of Nagarjuna look like a penis with to black cancer spots side by side along with a couple of venereal warts and a beany?"
How unfortunate that someone feels the need to resort to this kind of profoundly mean-spirited personal attack, and how amusingly ironic that his menagerie has repeatedly criticized me for far less malevolent ones even after I've apologized for them. :-)
Oh, do you mean this does not equal to your flatulence? What is good for the goose, is good for the gander. The only difference, is we do have your picture to base the findings of the view.
when did you get your medical degree? What are your credentials to say Garrido was mentally ill.
Truth is, you don't have a medical degree. All you have is your deep desire to find forgiveness within people and God for this act. Not just for Garrido, but obviously for yourself.
You will not be forgiven. Your goal is clear, you will face God's Justice when you meet Jesus come judgment day. So long bastard!
"doesn't that picture of Nagarjuna look like a penis with to black cancer spots side by side along with a couple of venereal warts and a beany?" (pete blogger said)
Is it making you feel better inside to call someone names?
Name calling and degrading someone's picture and just plain insults and ignorant jibberish that makes no sense is that making your anger go away and do you feel better about yourself now?
Taking your hatred towards Garrido out on another human being is that satisfying your hunger for the anger you feel inside?
Atleast have a viable reason to be angry at the man!!
sickening, really!
Pete you need to go to church more!
What would Jesus do?
He certainly would not be talking the way that you are, would he?
Oh, I do know a psychiatrist, my uncle. I think, if I could get him to post on this blog, he will tell you himself, a rapist/pedophile is not the act of mental illness. That no psychiatrist would base a diagnosis of mental illness on the selfishness and heartlessness of a rapist.
Wouldn't that be funny, bringing a psychiatrist in to diagnose the mind of Nagarjuna. How much money do you have for your diagnosis Nagarjuna?
Pete,
I think you should get your uncle to come in here at least it will be an educated discussion instead of this hatred you are spewing from your mouth, well hopefully!
Brenda, who the hell are you to tell me what to do? Does Jesus have you sitting back protecting pedophiles, and ignoring your God? I suspect that you should look into your own heart and lack of words for what you as a Christian should be doing before you judge others.
When someone says your God is evil, and you stand by and do nothing, but side with the guilty of this act, you are definitely not in the same ring with God, so I could care less what your opinion of my word is. Jesus will deal with you as well. Now I leave you two spawn to share your ugly hearts together.
you seem to be the expert on judging not me..
I would love to have a psychiatrist explain to us how someone who did what PG did was not mentally ill, disordered, or defective to do it. Please ask him to post here.
Yes. It makes me feel better to share the light that Nagarjuna is nothing but a penis trying to protect his pedophilia. God says call them out. I just did. :)
"Name calling and degrading someone's picture and just plain insults and ignorant jibberish that makes no sense is that making your anger go away and do you feel better about yourself now?"
That's a very perceptive question, Brenda. The obvious answer supports the point I've been making here all along. When we wallow in anger and hatred for people like PG, we don't help anyone. We just make things worse for everyone including ourselves.
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