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Let him be the victim. See how he likes his own medicine.
@ Zombieduck -
Sure. He deserves real judgment.
Run the animal through trial - then put him in general population. His true judgment and suffering will come soon after.
@ death penalty for this guy -
He doesn't deserve death. He deserves sterilization first, then toss him in jail to rot. Take his sick pleasures away.
I hope the people in whatever prison he ends up in - give this guy the same treatment they gave to Jeffrey Dahmer.
Broomstick + toilet. That should be this guy's final resting place.
"I don't think that he needs to get away with it bc he's insane, no way, but he needs meds."
If by meds you mean a lethal injection, then I agree. According to him, the voices in his head have stopped, so I don't know what condition he has that can be medicated -- aside from the condition of remaining alive.
I agree with the poster who said we need public executions back. And whether or not they are executed, no one who commits violent crimes against their fellow citizens should EVER be released back into society. There is nothing compassionate about that. This is a man who kidnapped and raped before, was convicted, and was released. We have a system that only has compassion for guilty, and none for the innocent -- like Jaycee.
Who the HELL do you think you are taking someones precious little girl?!?! You are one sick POS!!! It sickens me that that poor family suffered such HELL because of your crazy ass!!! You can't give them back the last 18 years of her life...and you can't return her innocence, and her purity! You can't give her mother the joy of being there to meet her grandbabys the second they are born! You are a sick sick man, and God has a special place in Hell waiting for you...a place where you will recieve everything you deserve! Did the angels tell you what a POS you are? You sick bastard! How dare you take this girl...rape her...make babies with her...and then hold them all captive and then turn around and even pretend to claim that you have any connection or communication with God and His angels! You give genuine religious people a bad rap...too bad the LSD didn't kill you back in the 70's!!! Pleading insanity shouldn't do you any good because the whole world knows your insane!!! There is no secret about that...and no judge would argue that your insane...and likewise...no judge will ever let you off because of your drug induced insanity! You sick POS bastard!!!
Rage has its place, but I think that the primary focus of our concern now needs to be on Jaycee and her daughters. What they are dealing with is incomprensible. They need our prayers.
Erik--
"sickness does not imply the lack of free will."
If sickness makes one will a sick act, and one's sick will makes one commit a sick act, how is that sick act and the will causing it "free" to be other than they are?
"Garrido did not accidentally kidnap and rape Jaycee. He did it on purpose."
Yes, he purposely did what his sickness caused him to purposely do.
"there is no illness -- which causes people against their will to kidnap and rape others."
But it IS sick to will to do this and to then follow through with that will.
"The proper cure for the societal sickness of crime is to permanently remove those who commit it from society."
We more or less agree, but I would amend your statement as follows: The proper response to the sickness of committing certain very serious crimes is lifetime quarantine from society.
"Mitch Haase said...
You are the typical example of the average homosexual.
August 27, 2009 2:09 PM"
Um. What? Garrido's an unmentionably evil man, no question... but, um, how does "abducting a female child, raping her and making her have your children" connect with "homosexual"?
I will pray for God to let you and your wife to burn slowly in Hell you are both a poor excuse for a human being.
I'm not sure how anyone can read this man's blathering and then say, "see, RELIGION is the reason for all the world's ills!! hypocrites!"
I don't know what religion this guy is following, but it reads like a mix of about 4 different "recognised" religions together with some batshit nonsense. More LRH/Co$ than any form of Christianity. When you make up your own religion, anything you believe to be true, or for which you wish to avoid condemnation, will be justified.
People who want to control the world around them (epitomised by the man who dictates the very existence of 3 people) will often misuse religious language and appearance in order to legitimise that control.
My head just keeps going back to: how can you live in a backyard and not raise the alarm? In the Fritzl case, they were buried underground and unable to draw attention to themselves... but in the open air? How beaten down she must have become, to have accepted those limits.
The only story that will warm my heart will be one which entails the rape and captivity of Mr Garrido in a federal prison.
This story is not much different from that of those poor children brought up in religious communes like Bountiful, the only difference is we know about them and they are not being stopped.
I so agree with what the fat lady said. How can you justify new religions, its hard enough to justify the founding ones. This is pure CoS stuff, self-obsessed and playing with religion like they play with cards. There will be no beautiful story to come of this Garrido, you are as delusional as LRH.
Nagarjuna--
"If sickness makes one will a sick act, and one's sick will makes one commit a sick act, how is that sick act and the will causing it "free" to be other than they are?"
It is indeed sick to desire to rape a child. However, humans are distinguished from animals in that they are not compelled to act on their desires. The sickness of desiring to rape a child is not the same thing as a compulsion to rape a child. Despite our desires -- and sick ones abound, as evidenced by some of the comments here -- we are free to indulge them or to resist them. We are therefore responsible for our actions.
"Yes, he purposely did what his sickness caused him to purposely do."
His sickness only caused him to act in the sense of a "proximate cause". In the same sense, the parole board that released him caused him to do the sick act. Similarly, Jaycee herself caused him to do the sick act by being so appealing to him. To attribute responsibility to any of these things would be an abomination of reason and justice. The perpetrator alone chose to go through with the act. His sickness didn't force him any more than anyone else forced him. If you need proof of this, he exercised that freedom by "turning his life around" according to himself, and refraining from committing any further kidnappings and rapes.
"We more or less agree, but I would amend your statement as follows: The proper response to the sickness of committing certain very serious crimes is lifetime quarantine from society."
My only argument with that is that the term "quarantine" implies an absolving him of responsibility for what he did -- which I vehemently disagree with.
We are all "sick". We all have desires from time to time that we ought not follow through on. That "sickness" does not shield us from responsibility for the harm we cause if and when we choose to act on those feelings.
I hope that God gives you what you deserve: Death. You are a shame for all of us.
Another religious sicko.
Erik--
"Despite our desires -- and sick ones abound, as evidenced by some of the comments here -- we are free to indulge them or to resist them. We are therefore responsible for our actions."
What causes one to resist or indulge one's desire to do a sick thing? And if something causes the resistance or indulgence, how is either, given its causation, "free" to be otherwise?
"The perpetrator alone chose to go through with the act. His sickness didn't force him any more than anyone else forced him."
What is the "perpetrator" if not a system of interacting physiological, psychological, and sociocultural processes that cause his actions? In other words, didn't Garrido choose to do what he did because the interacting biological, psychological, and sociocultural conditions comprising him and causing everything he chooses was configured at that time to produce the choice in question? Didn't he have a very powerful sick desire, and he lacked the capacity to inhibit himself from acting out that desire? And if this is so, what does it mean to say that Garrido was "responsible" for doing something that his interacting biology and psychology conditioned by his sociocultural experiences caused him to do?
I am reading these comments. And like someone said, Garrido will never read these posts. How many times do you ppl have to mention that Jaycee was raped and tortured all her life? I pray Jaycee and her family never set eyes on these comments posted here.
I think we need to be spending our time and energy more writing positive words to the victims family. I am sure Jaycee knows she is a victim but probably doesnt feel like a victim after this long. Im sure she is so confused right now. GOOD LUCK TO JAYCEE AND FAMILY.
PD PETTIBONE,,YOU SEEN JAYCEE IN A CAR AND REPORTED IT TO NO AVAIL???
Garridos father said the guy bumped his head and took LSD in school. That would be the reason his sick ideas about religion are so twisted. Not from religion itself. And ppl, do you really think such a sick and perverted individual would really give a flip bout being raped in prison? Please. I dont believe he would feel violated.
And I still fear that Jaycee and her family are going to be the only ones that the ugly and harsh comments here are going to hurt. You have to remember that to Jaycee and her girls,,,,Garrido and his wife are like family.
Sad and awful but true.
Nagarjuna--
"What causes one to resist or indulge one's desire to do a sick thing? And if something causes the resistance or indulgence, how is either, given its causation, "free" to be otherwise?"
One's free will is what causes one to indulge or resist one's desires. Where free will comes from is a question for philosophers or theologians, but that free will exists is self-evident to nearly everyone.
"What is the "perpetrator" if not a system of interacting physiological, psychological, and sociocultural processes that cause his actions?"
He is a human soul.
"In other words, didn't Garrido choose to do what he did because the interacting biological, psychological, and sociocultural conditions comprising him and causing everything he chooses was configured at that time to produce the choice in question?"
I wasn't aware that determinism survived the advent of quantum physics. No -- we are much more than a collection of deterministic systems.
"Didn't he have a very powerful sick desire, and he lacked the capacity to inhibit himself from acting out that desire?"
No. As I pointed out, he claimed to have "turned his life around" at some point, and not done any such sick things since. So that disproves any notion that he lacked the capacity to inhibit himself. He DID subsequently inhibit himself.
To Denise, Jaycee is not his wife. i beleive it is not being register and not possible that happen. So please stop twisting somebody mind. Also this is philip blog and not Jaycee or her family blog. why you want somebody to write positif word to them that are kidnapper, rape and make her sex slave for 18 years also all this take place at the 1st place against Jaycee will and agaist Jaycee parent will. If you tolerate their action that is fine. You can say positif word same as tommy etc. But this Blog should be independent, everybody have their right to write how they feel. Nothing is positif from this big crime. IMHO
"denise said...
Garridos father said the guy bumped his head and took LSD in school. That would be the reason his sick ideas about religion are so twisted. Not from religion itself."
Good grief. I knocked myself out multiple times in horse-riding accidents in high school, and got contact highs from other people smoking dope, so it's a miracle I'm not twisting religion to my own advantage...? His "sick ideas about religion" are due to a conscious choice on his behalf to discard the parts of different religions that he didn't agree with. If you're going to build a patchwork religion, you can justify any action as right/necessary/etc. But to attribute this to a head injury? Nope.
"And ppl, do you really think such a sick and perverted individual would really give a flip bout being raped in prison? Please. I dont believe he would feel violated."
One moment while I shout in my head. *sigh* You have clearly never been raped. Rape is a power thing, and for someone like this, who is used to being in complete control of those around him, such a lack of power will be devestating. I'm *not* saying it's therefore OK to do that to him; just pointing out the fallacy of your argument.
Don't hate, people.
and nagarjuna you simple STUPID fuck. If soemone did this to YOUR daughter you wouldnt be so forgiving. What a moron you are.. Fuck you. I am not merely venting. I would totally stab to death. that child molesting vile excuse for a human being. And you need to be dead just like him. You stupid fuck. FUCK YOU.
GARRIDO!
VC APAVOROU O MUNDO COM SUA MENTE CRIMINOSA E INCONSEQUENTE..
ESPERO QUE AS MENINAS TENHAM UMA VIDA DIGNA DAQUI PRA FRENTE..
E SÓ DEUS SABE QUE FUTURO ELE DARÁ A UM SER COMO VC...
GARRIDO!
VC APAVOROU O MUNDO COM SUA MENTE CRIMINOSA E INCONSEQUENTE..
ESPERO QUE AS MENINAS TENHAM UMA VIDA DIGNA DAQUI PRA FRENTE..
E SÓ DEUS SABE QUE FUTURO ELE DARÁ A UM SER COMO VC...
Rabid nutcase. Fry, muthafucka.
omg i didnt say that hes justified coz he bumped his head. Someone said that this was all caused BY RELIGION. That is not true. Dont try to get all intelligent on me, if you cant even understand what I am saying. And also, I still believe that a pervert like Garrido will enjoy taking it up the....well probably in all parts. Rape isnt always bout power, it can also be just an uncontrollable sexual urge.
And I have been raped, but that has nothing to do with my comment anyhow. It doesnt make me an expert on perverts.
And fat lady? I think I can tell you bumped your head alot, with all due respect. peace
JOHNY.....i had so much to say to you. But considering that I used the word, POSITIVE, spelled plain and clearly and correctly, so it would be there as a visual aid for you. But you still spelled it numerous times as positif, I have decided to refrain from an intellectual debate with an unarmed person.
You do seem to be an ESL student and I would like to offer to you to speak in your own mother language if you wish to make any further comments to me so I can understand you. I speak Turkish, Spanish, German, Italian, and Norwegian. ciao y paz y gule gule
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/08/30/2009-08-30_i_remember_monster_someone_dropped_ball_sez_cop_who_busted_sicko_in_1976_rape_an.html
http://tinyurl.com/npo3fh
How dare you take a child's innocence and childhood, you sick f*cking bastard.
You are the lowest of the low, lower, despicable, sub-human and sub-mammal. Calling you a reptile would be an insult to crocodiles. You're a sad piece of human excrement. A Schizophrenic druggie, a psychopathic, SADISTIC and narcissistic rapist. You are a DISEASE.
Worse.
Cops failed Jaycee Lee Dugard. You stole her childhood, you took her innocence. There are no words for what you did. Hell is real, as you'll find out soon. It's called prison, and there is a hierarchy. Have fun being someone's bitch in "protective custody" (a joke, as anyone who's worked in the prison system knows. )
The big rapist is coming for you, Phillip. Hell or not, you'll get yours sicko f*ck.
Folks, please pray for Jaycee Lee Dugard, her children and family to heal and overcome this sad chapter...
Be a man. Kill yourself.
denise, why you need to discuss my english skill ??, I can speak, write and understand 7 country language so if you dont understand simple english that i use, so you better check your english skill. by telling me to learn with esl are such an insult. as i wrote before. you can simply tolerate philip and his wife action but never try to provoke other people for your personal interest agenda. case close
To Johny...maybe you can understand these words better. They are exactly what I meant when I said that we need to say POSITIVE words for Ms. Dugard.
AMEN MISSESST!!
missesst said...
Let's turn this blog into a blog that will bless Jaycee and her children.
Jaycee:
Millions of people love you and are praying healing for you. You can be completely healed of this horrible past. Everything that has been lost will be restored to you 7 times 7000 (in other words, endlessly). You will experience joy in this life, everything WILL get better, don't give up!
To your children:
We love you! You are free to experience a whole new life and world. Learn all you can. You will have a blessed and beautiful life!
August 30, 2009 1:04 PM
denise,
this is voices revealed blog which being created by phillip, am i corret ??, are you sure that you are in the correct blog ??? or i am wrong ????
To Johny aka John S. Chung
UM,,,,,,HUH?
I have never learned Chinese, but I am betting that I will be able to learn Chinese faster than I will be able to understand your English. Seriously, Johny.
Other persons have made comments to you about your english, Im sorry, but you are very illiterate in English.
Seriously Johnny. I'm sure you have a valid point, but your english, or your translating program, isn't too clear. Sorry and good luck.
denise, are you sure that you are in the correct blog ??, Please correct me ???, can you read this blog name correctly ??? Am i in voice revealed blog or in Jaycee and family blog ???. if you dont understand my english, you dont need to answer it. If you think you are intelectual but never think about other less intelectual than you. i dont have so much time like you to read all the message just to find out that one people complain about my english. IMHO
Johny, do you really believe that your comments here made to that sick pervert will ever be read by him? And do you really think he is going to care?
I simply said that I hope that someday the family or the children of Jaycee do not read these comments here. Do you realize how many times it is mentioned that Jaycee was raped her entire life and how horrible of a life she had? My God, how do you think they will feel after reading these things.
Yes, Johny, I realize whose blog this is. But I am also intelligent to know that Jaycee and her family will one day google her name, and read things about what is going on right now.
And I believe that it will not be a good feeling for her to relive all we have had to say here about the abuse in her life.
I agree with MISSESST....we should turn this into a blessing for Jaycee and wish her the best here.
She, or God forbid, her children, will be the ones that will find our words some day out of curiousity.
And seriously, Johny, English is not your First Language is it. It would be ESL for you, no? salud
Why should Their family read this blog, if They google it, the fact are all over the internet. This blog being created by phillip, so everybody have the right to tell that sicko what the society feel. If Jaycee family read this blog, do you think They will agree with your positif comment by tolerate phillip and his wife action. News are all over the internet and tv. it will be there no matter what ??, dont you think so ??? IMHO
Johny, I would like to make one last comment to you.
I do not think you are less intelligent than I am. I actually believe you must be very intelligent to be able to speak the english words that you have written. You are doing far better than many ppl that would find it too difficult to learn a second language. I want you to know that it is not the lack of intelligence that makes me angry with you. It is your stupid comments you made to me when you lack comprehension in the things you read in English that anger me. The rest of my comments were directed at the fact that your comments were unintelligible, therefore, it was difficult for me to understand what exactly it was that you were trying to slam at me. lol
Johny Johny Johny,
How funny. I have total and complete faith that when the Dugards read my comments? They are going to have enough English skills (and intelligence) to understand correctly that I DO NOT TOLERATE GARRIDO AND HIS WIFE!!!!!
You and the fat lady misread ppls comments then twist them around.
Now I am finished talking to you until you tell me your mother language and I can come back here in 2 days and communicate with you more clearly in that language. So we can be certain that you will understand correctly.
I am sure you are the only person on this blog that would read my comments and believe that I tolerate or condone the Garridos.
Nag: So YOU forgive him!
And I want him dead. Each of us deals with our views as we see fit. My son was raped at five. It is hard for me to not want Garrido dead. And I could pull the plug myself whenever it needed to be done.
I think anyone who penetrates a child--a person under the age of puberty--should die without question. I am sure that Garrido will not die, just like my son's perp did not. However, if my son's perp had died the FIRST time he molested children or been castrated, my son would not have been molested and then raped.
On the other hand, let's let Jaycee and her family decide his punishment. After all, they were the ones damaged by him. They should make the final decision within some parameters the laws will set. That would be justice.
For me, end of story. Those who rape should be castrated. It is simple and direct and final. Yes, they can have hormone shots, but frankly, it should be against the law to give them those shots. It would be fairly simple to tell who they were, don't you think?
For those who want to turn this into a "I love you Jaycee" blog, I agree that it cannot be. It is not her blog. I doubt she will want to go back and read all this because it would be painful once she began to understand what was done to her for all those years.
Besides, I do not love Jaycee. I feel deep compassion and great sympathy for her, but love...no. I don't know her.
I pray that Jaycee and her two girls will find peace and joy and happiness like they never imagined. I pray that God will bring them to heaven to live eternity in joy. God loves her and has a wonderful plan for her life.
It was not God who did this to her. It was Garrido. And if you call Garrido "God" by saying God did it--Garrido the one who did this--then you have a problem.
Blaming God for bad things that happens is no different than blaming YOU. Why didn't you do something? Why didn't the neighbors do something? Did you who blame God even spend a minute looking for her? If not, then we all have some blame I suppose.
It is sick Garrido who did this. It is sick Garrido's wife who helped. It is poor Jaycee who suffered. It is Jaycee's children who suffered. Maybe they didn't suffer entirely (they were well-fed and clothed), but they still were denied the basic human rights of women in this society.
Garrido took away their rights, and he gave them what rights he felt they deserved--very little. But he was happy--that is until now.
What an interesting picture of a girl surrounded by leaves. Surely Jaycee was calling out--the hidden one behind Garrido's printing press. Amazing!
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_g2eIP6pkPdc/RlzMB4vZLCI/AAAAAAAAAAk/LzLSwfjDbZs/s1600-h/printing1.jpg
To Tsun Tsu2: I tried to read and understand the point that Nagarjuna was trying to make, and couldnt. Kudos to you girl, for understanding all that gibberish.
Star. So sorry to hear about your son. What you must have gone through. I cannot imagine living through that kind of horror. It certainly does bring perspective into play.
Star, what is the link you posted?
Star, I checked out your hyperlink. It was definitely Photoshopped. I wonder if she was computer savvy.
These victims will need intensive help for a long time in order to recover. Please turn your anger into action, and consider helping with the fund for Jaycee and her daughters.
I'm a former licensed family therapist and child mental health professional, and know the costs involved here- medical, emotional, spiritual, education, interpersonally- are huge. A fund has been established for Jaycee Dugard and her two children. Contributions can be sent to Dugard's mother: Terry Probyn, c/o Viewtech, P.O. Box 596, Atwood, Calif. 92811
You know, the actual content of this blog (as opposed to the comments) is fascinating in how scary it is. The news has been reporting Garrido's strange religious beliefs, but this blog really lays it out for all to see.
I don't blame religion for creating people like Garrido (as I know someone do) but I am amazed once again at how a person with a mindset like Garrido's seems predisposed to falling for cultish religious claptrap. And how 'religious extremism' seems, in fact, to allow people like Garrido a kind of facade. I mean that erratic behaviour like the one shown in this blog would tend to show either (1) criminal pathology or (2) religious fanaticism. I wonder how many people, over the years, saw Garrido and thought, "I thought this man was a criminal, but now I see he's just a religious nutjob."
And how sad that so many people mistakenly wish him justice in the afterlife, when no such force exists to condemn Garrido and people like him.
how can you even conceive such an atrocity in your mind and still talk about "God"
i hope you and your wife rot in jail for what you did to that poor girl
Tsun Tsu2:
You asked if she was computer savvy. And they have posted emails that she wrote on behalf of the printing company. I think she is computer savvy.
Cheers! You are a perfect follower of your Jesus, man!
As your Jesus said: "let the children come to me, as I'll come into them."
Superstition breeds stupidity.
Kellyg--
I think you are a perfect example of the what the hatefest here is whipping up. According to you, I'm a "moron" who deserves to die because I ask a simple question: Why should a sick person be hated and tortured for his sick acts?
Yes, kelly, if my daughter were the victim of such crimes, I might be "venting" here too, although I hope not. But whether I wouldn't or wouldn't has nothing to do with whether the points I've been making here are true or false.
Star--
I didn't say I "forgive" Garrido. I've simply asked why we should hate, torture, or even "vent" about hating and torturing a sick man for doing things his sickness made him do. And you still haven't answered the question.
Free will is NOT evident to me, and I don't see how it can be to you. For what free will implies is that a person can will other than how his interacting biology and psychology conditioned by his environment dictate, and I don't know of any philosopher, theologian, or scientist who makes a convincing case for this. Do you?
You say that the source of our alleged free will is our "soul." What is this soul that is independent of the interacting factors I listed earlier, and how does it develop volitions and make choices independently of those factors? That is, how could any source of choice--be it brain, mind, or soul--choose to do what it did in Garrido's case without something MAKING him do it? And what could this something be if not a sickness, defect, or combination of the two--i.e, pedophilia + sociopathy? And how and when did Garrido freely choose to have pedophilic desires AND the lack of empathy and conscience he needed to inhibit him from acting out those desires?
Have fun with your fucking dick in jail, you suck
Your case is a very good example for instituting public execution for child abductors, rapists and killers.
I do not wish you evil, but the evil that you committed and in which your wife was complicent, will be dealt with severely in this life (hopefully), but much more in the next.
Bungle Jerry said..."I am amazed once again at how a person with a mindset like Garrido's seems predisposed to falling for cultish religious claptrap."
Believing that you can create audible voices with your mind, and that you've created a device to allow people to hear them has nothing to do with "falling for religious claptrap."
"And how sad that so many people mistakenly wish him justice in the afterlife, when no such force exists to condemn Garrido and people like him."
What makes you thing so?
Nagarjuna said... "Free will is NOT evident to me, and I don't see how it can be to you. For what free will implies is that a person can will other than how his interacting biology and psychology conditioned by his environment dictate, and I don't know of any philosopher, theologian, or scientist who makes a convincing case for this. Do you?"
I know too many to mention, including every philosopher and theologian who believed that man has a rational component; If there is no free will, there is no reason either, nor deliberation, nor temptation.
Most notably, I suppose, would be all the classical philosophers, especially Plato, the Christian philosophers, including Newton and Aquinas. For more recent and elaborate work on the subject, see Robert Kane, C. S. Lewis, and Emanuel Swedenborg.
"You say that the source of our alleged free will is our "soul." What is this soul that is independent of the interacting factors I listed earlier"
Your soul is the tiny part of you that is alive. Nothing material is alive. In the words of Epictetus, "You are a little soul carrying around a corpse." Determinism -- to the degree it's befitting of anything -- is befitting of only of inanimate things. The soul is the animate part.
"That is, how could any source of choice--be it brain, mind, or soul--choose to do what it did in Garrido's case without something MAKING him do it?"
The same way we choose everything we choose. Did you choose the position your are defending, or did something force those positions upon you? If the latter, you can't possibly believe them, because you never CHOSE to believe them -- they are arbitrary predetermined positions allotted to you. If we are not free to replace our ideas with ideas that better reflect reality, what is the point of thinking at all?
"And how and when did Garrido freely choose to have pedophilic desires AND the lack of empathy and conscience he needed to inhibit him from acting out those desires?"
He did neither. We do not chose our desires; we choose our actions. And he did not lack empathy and conscience. As I pointed out repeatedly, he showed clear signs of both, but chose to act in accordance with his desires that were contrary to his empathy and conscience.
i hope they give you the death penalty you sick fuck!
There is no Earthly punishment for what you and your wife have done.
Hopefully there really is a God, so that people like you can get eternal torment, because there is nothing we can do to you here which would even come close to what you deserve.
You're goint to be someones bitch now. PS: wear some putana red lipstick.
He'll try to plead insanity and use this blog as "proof", but the fact that he hid the children and tried to pass off the tents as a soundproof place for him to play music BEFORE he kidnapped the girl shows PREMEDITATION. This guy is not schizophrenic, but he sure hopes he can convince the court he is.
What a horrible excuse of a human this freak is.
Nag: I did answer it. But I will do it again.
Society needs to have rules so that those who disregard the pain and hurt that they might cause will be controlled. Society needs to have punishments so that those who disregard the rules can be kept away from the ones who choose to obey the rules. (I won't get into the "rules" value at this time.) Therefore, laws are created so that (1) those who don't have the empathy to consider others' pain will have direction and (2) so that the direction that one must live to remain free are clear and (3) so that, once the individual chooses to not follow the direction, they can be contained.
Garrido broke (1) and (2). He might be sick, but regardless, sickness should be contained. He cannot be free.
Sometimes, in the creation of a system (such as laws and punishments), there are unexpected results. That would cover the idea that people get raped in prison. It isn't the actual intention, but it seems to work that way. This is, again, a result of (1) not working, and then (2) not working, and then putting those types of folks who do (1) and (2) together and hoping they can be controlled. Obviously, they cannot. So they do (1) and (2).
However, when a crime is so heinous that a normal person cannot bear the thought of it, then that normal person is pleased to know that the crime will be punished in the same way they punished another.
If a person gets satisfaction from punishment, at least it does some repair of the psyche. We all want to see this man punished. If he is sick, it is sad that he needs punishment. But should a sick person be exempt? No, they still broke the rules.
If I am sick, should I be allowed to kill others? Your argument, though it seems sensitive to sick people who do not have control, cannot work. If we allow sick people to act sick in society without punishment, our entire society will be dangerous and chaos.
Sick people need to pay for what they have done. They might need medication, but if he did, why wasn't that determined before when he spent time in jail? And if he needed help, why then does he have people on this site saying he is not showing signs of sickness?
How do we know if a person is sick or intentionally acting wrong? Sick people should be treated, but they cannot be exempt. Maybe the sentencing can be lighter, but 18 years of confinement because she was 11 and could not defend herself is extreme punishment for Jaycee. What about her rights?
What about her rights?
What about her rights?
Victims should have the right to determine the punishment within court set parameters. It should not be the impartial, unaffected courts or jury (unless the jury has experienced simiar situations). And really, who has?
u kidding me Lindsey?
I say castrate the bastard and throw him into a volcano. Yuck what a disgusting old shit. Making a girl have her first child at 14. He needs to be killed asap.
Nagarjuna........go practice your buddhist/christian whatever beliefs eleswhere!~ I am proud to be the beacon of HATE in this forum. YaY!I can plunge the knife or pull the plug any day on that sick hijo de la gran puta and not lose one second of sleep over it.
And, get over yourself. You are not intellectually superior to anyone here.
If you want to love this guy and forgive him, you can do it. leave the rest of us to our loathing.
Just an FYI to everyone there is NO death penalty in CA. his MAX sentence would be life in prison. just an FYI its impossible for him to be sentenced to death in the state of California. Look it up.
Star brings up an interesting point. What about Jaycee's rights? What about the justice due to her?
The simplest way to state this is that there is none. There is no justice, no resolution for Jaycee that will erase her pain. She is caught between two worlds at this point. We kill him, she still loses someone that she had accepted as her father for the majority of her life (see: Stockholm syndrome). We put him in prison for the rest of his natural (or unnatural, as the case may be) life, she still suffers. We send him to a facility for the criminally insane, provided he is insane, he might conceivably become well and get out, but that would mean that this horrid individual will be in a position to hurt her again, if not physically then mentally (the last is a personal security concern for Jaycee probably. She will not feel safe). We release him… I will not go into the level of wrong that would represent, but I am sure everyone here understands the ramifications for Jaycee should that happen. We cannot go back in time to prevent this from ever happening.
What will therapists try to due to Jaycee? Simple, get her to hate Phillip. Oh, he deserves it. He absolutely and unequivocally deserves it. Jaycee however, does not. It takes effort and continuance of pain to hate, but this will likely be the only way she can regain a semblance of her life as it should be. Still, there she will be, suffering to heal, and she does not deserve that either.
While we are on the topic of victims, what about the two children of Jaycee? What about their rights, their justice? They just had their entire world ripped from them, a world that should never had been, but here it is. Dad is a kidnapper and a rapist, mom is a victim, and suddenly you realize that you are the product of an evil and aberrant act and that if justice was served in the beginning, you would not exist. What help is there for them?
Now, before I come across as “lost cause” on you all, there is a way to help them. I suggest that we shift our focus away from unconstructive hate on Phillip Garrido, as much as he deserves it, and focus it on preventing this from happening again. You want to help them, immortalize their legacy in something good. Never allow this to happen again. Be more active with your neighbors, ask questions, even be somewhat “nosy” if need be.
I live in Antioch, California. Most of this city had the mentality of “I do not want to get involved” for the longest time. In fact, I am reasonably sure that all cities, towns and communities have this mentality as well. Like we cannot taste on our tongues this evil, look on with regret and wonder if we could not have done something more to prevent it.
Phillip Garrido stated to the press that in the end we would all be amazed by the most heartwarming tale that comes from this fucking abomination. It is a lie, through and through, and yet nothing seems to pain a liar more than taking his lie and making it truth. I propose we shift reality, here and now. I say we take his lie and we make it truth by making this a wake up call in the way of Amber alerts in memory of Amber Hagerman.
Write your congressman and request new legislation to prevent this. Talk to your local police and find out what you can do yourself. But most of all, spend time with the people in your community so people (and I use the term in the loosest way possible) like Phillip Garrido cannot thrive, and will be caught and quickly. Let him be immortalized too as the vile monster that we as decent human beings are committed to stop.
In short, less mindless railing against a man who is caught and hellbound, and more action on preventing this from happening to anyone else. For Amber Hagerman. For Chandra Levy. For Morgan Nick. For Jaycee Dugard, who was strong enough to survive and fortunate enough to be found. For her children, so they do not suffer in vain.
Anyway, sorry. I got sort of preachy there. That is my two cents.
Nagarjuna seems to have lots and lots of time on his hands... i think your a weirdo especially how you respond to everyone insults towards you...its like you have some weird point to prove. it makes me sick really. All this bantering between you and others like they are actually getting through to you. As much as you have commented on here and replied to people and feel the excessive need to keep explaining yourself with nonsense it seems to me like you are obscessed with this blog and reiterating your points that frankly make no sense and are painful on my eyes to even read.
Well said Brenda. Nag is enjoying his little bit of fame on this blog. I find it odd.
why would Mitch Haase (who made a comment), have his DISGUSTNG nake picture of himself?? i hope his employer see it, and reads that he likes to jerk off to homosexual thoughts. Nice that he is posting about this sick person who abducted that poor girl, and he is just as sick!
What a lucky bastard. He got to enjoy that deliciously sweet young girl repeatedly, and got her to bear a few gorgeous girls to boot.
In many cultures, its ok and even encouraged to have sexual relationships with young girls like he did. He is going to pay for what he did in jail though.
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I caressed my daughter's crack more firmly now, my heart pounding. Oh my God. This child, my own little girl, had been transformed into a sexual creature in my hungry hands. My fingers felt the rosebud of her anus, traced the tiny cleft between her cheeks. She was so warm there, the material of her cotton panties growing damp...
Keri made tiny noises at my chest, little coos and mewings, as my eager fingers stroked and smoothed down, down into the hidden crevice of her babyish slit. As soon as I touched her there, her little butt arched into my hand and her legs slid out, stockinged feet sliding along the hardwood floor.
Oh, my beautiful little girl, my darling Keri, I'm going to make you come. Mommy's going to make you feel like you've never felt before. And I felt her opening to me, my fingers twisting along her smooth vulva, my thumb pressing firmly against her asshole. Her mouth was open, breath hot against my skin... Keri blindly nuzzling my breasts.
And she raised her head, her eyes wide as she called out to me, panting, "Mmmommy, oh Mommy, oh it feels so, so good, I'm... mmmMMMMmmm, ohhhh, Mommeeeeee..."
All of a sudden, Keri thrust herself away from me and leapt to her feet. Her lower lip trembled, and she put a hand down between her legs, covering her mound as her eyes filled with tears.
sweet girls, Jaycee and her two little girls. Very sweet
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I began to caress and fondle that adorable little ass of hers, gradually allowing my fingers to glide through her butt crack, teasing her anus. She'd respond by squeezing me with her cheeks, mewling with delight.
Then my fingers separated... one down, down to brush her soft pussy, to touch the warmth of her sticky slit. My thumb now circling her tiny asshole, pressing in gently. And Keri trembled in my arms as the sweet sensations that pulsed through her body grew more and more intense.
Then she gasped as I slipped the tip of my finger into her vagina. "Oh, Mommy," she whimpered.
With my free hand I lifted my daughter's face to mine. Her eyes were wide, her mouth open.
"I love you, baby," I breathed, transfixing Keri with a desire-filled gaze, wanting to convey to my child the need, the hunger I felt for her right then. I placed a soft kiss on her mouth, my tongue emerging to lick at her lower lip as I continued to fuck her with probing fingers.
Her brow furrowed as her pleasure grew and grew, my little girl hurtling towards meltdown. She stared at me helplessly as her orgasm neared, her entire body beginning to shudder and shake.
And then, it was upon her. "Ohh, Mommy... I'm... mmmMMMMmmm... oooh... I'm, I'm, I'm gonna, I think... mmmm, Mommy! OHHHHHH!" And she cried out wordlessly as her body was racked by jolts of purest ecstasy. I'd never seen such a beautiful sight as that of my baby, coming for the first time. And I was making it happen...
I took Keri through her climax, continuing to pleasure my baby until she could take no more... then I removed my fingers from her, feeling my daughter sigh blissfully as she relaxed atop me. I cuddled Keri close, bringing my fingers, moist from her, up to my lips to taste. Yum, ambrosia.
Keri quickly fell asleep in my arms... and I tucked her spent body under the sheet and just looked at her. Such a little colt... so fragile, so trusting. So adorable. And so, so, luscious. Oh, my, yes.
Star: "Victims should have the right to determine the punishment within court set parameters. It should not be the impartial, unaffected courts or jury"
The whole idea of justice is equal and impartial punishment and protection under the law. It would be unjust for someone to receive a lessor punishment just because they victimized someone more forgiving, less vindictive, or worst of all, someone they kidnapped who developed stockholm syndrome. Where is the justice in that?
Like in most crimes, it is impossible for society -- or anyone else -- to undo the damage that is done to the victim. The damage is permanent. The best that can be done is to permanently remove the perpetrator from society.
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Nilax your one sick puppy. I am sorry for your soul
As do I!!! thank you TsunTsu2 for the comment. I appreciate it. I find it very odd and creepy. As well as some others who have posted a comment here too. It never seizes to amaze me how many sick people are in this world.
Erik--
Name-dropping a bunch of philosophers doesn't mean that ANY of them gave us a convincing argument for free will.
"Your soul is the tiny part of you that is alive. Nothing material is alive."
Is a bacterium alive? Does it have a soul? Matter organized at a certain level of complexity IS alive, and matter organized to an even higher level of complexity is conscious and in some species even self-aware. There is no need to posit that it is animated by some immaterial soul that is independent of body, brain, and environment.
"Determinism -- to the degree it's befitting of anything -- is befitting of only of inanimate things. The soul is the animate part."
Tell that to a psychologist. Have you ever heard of psychological determinism--i.e., that all mental phenomena such as choices are effects of mental causes? Determinism needn't be strictly physical.
"We do not chose our desires; we choose our actions."
What causes one to choose not to act on his desire?
"As I pointed out repeatedly, he showed clear signs of both, but chose to act in accordance with his desires that were contrary to his empathy and conscience."
We don't know that those "clear signs" were more than a superficial mouthing of words he didn't really feel, or that they perhaps revealed some development of empathy and conscience that didn't exist until very recently.
If he did, indeed, choose "chose to act in accordance with his desires that were contrary to his empathy and conscience," why would he or anyone else do such a thing? Do you really mean to suggest that nothing CAUSED him to do this?
Both of us now naked, I gently lowered my body onto hers. God, she felt so soft and sweet in my arms.
"I love you, angel," I cooed, our noses barely touching.
"I... I love you, Mommy," Keri whispered, her eyes wide as she gazed at me in wonder, still a little unsure of what was happening between us, but clearly loving every moment.
I responded with a tender kiss... allowing my mouth to brush softly against hers, then nibble at her lower lip. Keri quickly brought her tongue into play, and our kiss grew hotter, more passionate. Her arms circled my bare back, clutching me tightly.
Gently breaking our kiss, I trailed my lips down to nuzzle at my baby's soft neck. She was purring like a contented kitten as I pressed a kiss into the hollow of her throat, then moved down further still.
Her taut, babyish nipples delighted me... and Keri inhaled sharply as I took one in my mouth, flicking at the pink tip with a playful tongue. My daughter gently rocked from side to side, cradling my head to her chest, her heart going like sixty. I shifted to lavish attention on her other nipple, and she shuddered with delight. "Oh," I heard my little girl sigh.
Wanting more, I squirmed my way down Keri's body, licking a path to her belly button... so adorable. I teased it with a probe of the tongue, and my little girl squealed with delight, another jolt of pleasure coursing through her limbs.
I was a woman on fire, my cunt a river... and I slipped down yet further, reaching my ultimate destination. I lay between Keri's thin legs, staring enthralled at the pink treasure of my baby's bare slit. I had enjoyed my fair share of lovers by age 32, but the sight of my daughter's childish vagina aroused me more than anything I had ever known. My hands rested on her thighs as I inhaled deeply, savoring the little-girl scent of Keri's sex. Intoxicating. My mouth watered to taste her... and I closed my eyes, lowering my face to her glistening crack.
My daughter whimpered as my tongue emerged to take that first luxurious lick. I was drunk with erotic excitement, my entire body aflame with sensation. She tasted wonderful... just like a little girl ought to taste. All things nice, I thought, closing my eyes as I licked her again. Keri moaned, her trembling hands now holding my head, then breathed, "Oh, Mommy..."
I burrowed my face between her thin thighs, cupped her bottom in my squeezing hands and took her cunt into my mouth, licking and sucking at her bare slit like a woman possessed. I couldn't believe that I was doing such a thing -- going down on my own ten-year-old daughter! And yet I made love to Keri in a sweet frenzy, pleasuring her, showing her just how wonderful she was. Making her feel like the most special creature in the world.
And then Keri shook and screamed, her little voice filled with the sweet, sweet pain of climax. The sound of her ecstacy drove me wild... and I kissed and tongued at my daughter's pussy until she could stand no more, finally pushing my face away with clumsy hands, the breath frozen in her lungs... then she exhaled noisily and relaxed into the warm sheets.
I continued to lightly kiss, kiss, kiss her thighs and her soft tummy, finally crawling up to take this naked angel into my arms. I could feel Keri's heart throbbing as I held her, placing gentle kisses on her flushed face.
Kellyg--
I'm obviously not stopping you from being the "beacon of hate" you say you want to be, and I'm not even trying. You and your cohorts can continue your hatefest and spout your hideous depravities to your hearts' content, while I look to engage in more substantive discussion with those who are emotionally and/or intellectually capable of it.
Brendadaly, could you provide examples of where I've responded "weirdly" to those who have insulted me? And could you then explain what is nonsensical about asking why we should hate people and want to see them sexually abused and otherwise tortured in terrible ways for doing what their sickness made them do.
Star, I don't disagree with you that society "needs rules" governing our behavior toward one another. But where you and I continue to disagree is that I don't believe that people who do bad things because their sickness makes them do it deserve to be hated and tortured for it, n matter how much "satisfaction" it may give people, whereas you apparently believe that they do. Quarantined, yes. But not hated and tortured.
I hope to watch the interview tonight on CNN (Larry King Live) at 9:00 p.m. EST, with my 8 year old Daughter in hopes the reality sinks in that when Mommy says 'stick with me', someone might want to take you...she'll understand it REALLY DOES HAPPEN! I hope the victim will be all right. Maybe Oprah should set her up with a nice home, etc. This is a person deserving of the best for she and her children!
I truly hope for the sake of this woman that she can heal somehow in time to best that she can. Dysfunction has become the norm, so with that said I hope Oprah sets her up in a nice home with free groceries and goodies from Target and Nate can come in and decorate. Talking to her about God and all right now might now hold as much meaning considering what she's most likely been brainwashed into believing. I have a feeling she most likely is a wonderful Mom and I hope this man gets justice. I feel he most likely will commit suicide if we're lucky, but then the girl will feel guilty. Who knows. I heard she feels guilty about the whole situation. I will be watching Larry King Live tonight with my 8 year old Daughter for a "reality check". Bless to all of those and I pray for those that are going through similar situations.
I hope you get anally raped by a huge black inmate when you get to prison. Oh yeah...and by the way enjoy your nice life that's fucked...because it's only going to get more fucked up from now on.
Richard, why do you want Garrido to be "anally raped by a huge black inmate"?
WHY do you hope that, Richard?
Please die, please die and go to hell
Please die, please die and go to hell
Interesting stuff, bit creepy though.
Eric, creepy is an immense understatement, and who THE HELL cares about the information? interesting stuff???? He's a rapist, pedophile and kidnapper!
there are many comments here from ppl who claim everyone else who commented is a christian and therefore a hypocrite. pls try to stick to the subject: two criminals who rape/kidnap/torture children. Christianity DID NOT do that to those children.
Natalie, the hypocrisy I see here from many apparent Christians is their hateful judgmentalness toward two of their fellow "children of God." Yes, Mr. and Mrs. Garrido did terrible things, but it seems to me that to profess Christian beliefs and yet proudly and gleefully revel in sadistic, hateful fantasies of gruesome tortures in this life and everlasting tortures of an infinitely more painful kind in the next is utterly and completely antithetical to Christian teachings that leave such judgments to God, and to the Christian spirit of universal unconditional love.
Narjuna..again..get over yourself. My intellect is quite fine. I have a tested IQ of 160 which I can prove any time. My emotional capacity is quite fine also having just spent 16 hours in total 3 months ago with a psychiatrist for a workman's comp case in which there was absolutely not one thing wrong with my emotional state, much to the dismay of my attorney who wanted to be able to claim there was so he could milk more $$ out of the insurance company.
Go post your holier than thou bs elsewhere. No one here cares.
Rebecca--
"and may he have the same pity on you that you had on your victims."
Do you mean to suggest that supremely loving, just, and merciful God should act with the same measure of depravity that Garrido did? That seems like a terrible insult to God. But, at least, it's not nearly as bad as wishing Him to torture Garrido forever in hell, for that would be the horrible injustice of inflicting an infintely worse suffering on Garrido than he did on his victims.
Think, people. Think!
Kellyg, if your IQ is that high, prove it by engaging me in intelligent conversation here instead of babbling inanities about how I should be killed for what I've posted here, or how a sick man deserves unspeakable tortures for what his sickness made him do, or how my comments are stopping you from being the "beacon of hate" that you aspire to be here.
Tommy,
I read the first 200 posts, then I skipped to the end.
You have depressed me by reminding me that irony is lost on 98% of my fellow Americans.
Obviously you are a Brit, and you understand these things.
I think I'll have a Scotch.
Thank you, Tommy Atkins. You make me want to be a better man.
Your American friend,
Benny
Benny--
Irony's the least of it. A lot of things seem to be lost on most of the commenters here, including any semblance of reasonableness or sanity.
You are the one here just doesn't get it. Decent people as myself are tired of criminals and the havoc they wreak on society.
I don't feel I have one single thing to prove to you. You are a nothing in my world. I could care less what you or anyone thinks about me. You are not my son, brother, Dad or anything else to me.I'm not here to prove anything to anyone. *shrug*
The problem with you is you are spending way too much time trying to prove yourself to people. What a fruitless effort.
Get another hobby or a job or something. I'm not here to prove anything to anyone. *shrug*
Now carry on with your dribble. I won't be answering anymore of it.
Nagarjuna. I have refrained from engaging you in any reparte. The fact is . . . umh is that I agree with many (though not all) of the points you have brought out. What I find "odd" and "curious" is that you continue to bang your head against that brick wall that cannot reason with your logic. So, what would make you want to continue, over, and over again, to bang your head on that brick wall? In MY mind (and I realize everyone has their own definition and degree of "sanity"), I have to wonder why anyone would continually argue a point that was already stated, already challenged (albeit sometimes one has to wonder about the rationality and emotional stability of the challenger; but remember that we each bring our own failings, pains, shortcomings, and guilt to the forefront in EVERY situation we come across) and continue to argue to a point to a lynch mob? The term "lynch mob" or "mob mentality" is very accurate here, but understandable. We all feel helpless and vulnerable. This could have been OUR child in OUR neighborhood. Sometimes what comes out is what is in our subconscious mind. We may not even (nor ever) realize that. I believe that most of us do the best we can at the time we have to deal with it. I HAVE to. What else do we have? If we don't have HOPE what else is there?
Any guess on how soon before google takes down this website, for the love of God, please take this down?
Oh, one more thing nag. You have been more than a little "obtuse" in your arguments.
GUESS HOW MANY OF THIS TYPE OF PERVERTED BASTARDS WILL BE RELEASED FROM PRISON IN THE NEXT WEEKS AND MONTHS!!
To bad you passed on your sicko perverted genes to children. You have ruined so many lives. You should have been aborted. And for you fundies out there...his religion is enough for me advocate to outlaw Christ-sanity!
My heart hurts for Jaycee Dugard, I literally have a pain in my chest. I pray that she can heal, and live a happy life with her daughters. I hope she can get married, and have a happy home with an honest man who will nuture and protect her. As for Mr. Garrido--the inmates are salivating at the thought of torturing you. Your day is coming u fucking coward!! Rest in piss!
Garrido, you should be PRAYING for a death sentence...
Tsun, thank you for your remarks. Which points of mine do you agree with, which do you not agree with, and which arguments of mine do you find "obtuse"?
Tsun Tsu2......what are we waiting for here? Why do you and I return to this comment section? Are we waiting for something said here to make any sense or change anything? I have respect for you, I just dont know why we return here to read more of the same stuff.
I wish everyone here could unite to change the laws to be tougher. I call my Congresswoman so often to bitch about the fact that Medicare will not pay for the elderly to receive in home care. But I am one person. Maybe if everyone here starts making phone calls to their local govts and newspapers, something will HAVE TO CHANGE.
@ Nagarjuna.
Please re-read my previous posts and see the problem with forgiveness for these individuals. I know you're not Christian, but since Mr. Garrido claims to be, he will be held accountable to the laws of the Bible.
By the way, I adopted my friends baby boy because the dad murdered her while she was holding the baby in his arms. He killed her 2 hours after he got out of jail for choking the skin off her neck the night before, and 2 months after being released from prison......FOR THE SECOND TIME.
He will be released once again, in 7 years from now, and probably come looking for my son. OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM FAILS INNOCENT PPL ALWAYS.
Is Garrido going to use the Warren Jeffs child rape defense?
"The dang devil made me do it"
I think this blog has gotten out of control...this is such an amazing story that is both sad, and happy...Fussing with each other does nothing but reduce the happiness...I believe that everyone can agree that this man is sick...some feel sorry for him because of this sickness, and other simply want to see justice...despite your stand point on this issue we need to try to remain focused on Jaycee and her girls...making this adjustment back into society needs to be made as simple as possible. I personally loathe Garrido...I can't even pretend to have any sympathy for him...but ultimatly Jaycee is alive and safe along with her girls...and all of America is wise to Garrido...so regardless of what the law does...I think we can all be certain that he will never be able to do such a horrible thing again...and chances are he is likely safer in prison...and he will probably be scared stupid of being set back loose in the public given the amount of hate pointed directly at him! I believe he will get what is due him...on earth...or beyond...but as long as Jaycee and her girls are able to physically, emotionally, and mentally get past this...I think this sad situation ended the best possible! I wish Jaycee, the girls, and the family all the best, and I hope they will enjoy every waking moment they have together...
oh...btw...NILAX...I wish you were the one kept captive in Garrido's backyard...You obviously have no kids...because if you did you would realize how not funny your postings are...but if you do have kids your comments alone should be all officials need to take them from you right this second! How you could possibly think that your comments are acceptable is beyond me...you are clearly as sick as Garrido...You two would make a good pair...you can sexually assult each other till you both die and burn in hell!
Well Fuck..I've been following this carnival of opinions for three days now,and as a human being,I have no dificulty with the fact that I'd be more than happy to see this abominable piece of Holy Flyin' Shit! subjected to all manner of carnal indignities!
I mean..how would I feel if this were my own child?
There is no place to hide from the vengeance in my heart.
Still,..and in the final analysis,I have to side with Nagarjuna.
As a Christian,I recognize that there is a moral imperative that needs to remain in play..
The justice of humankind will rightfully run it's course,..of this I have no doubt,..but the Final Judgement belongs exclusively to the Lord.
..DON'T WORRY!..I won't attempt to beguile all you decent folk from your righteous indignation with Biblical rhetoric.
..I just think it is encumbent on all of us to listen to the better Angels of our nature.
..and then fry the mother Fucker!
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Jennifer, I don't want to fellate him. I want him locked away for the rest of his life. That's what should have happened to him years ago and will surely happen to him now. But I disagree with you that "he knew what he was doing." At least, I don't think he understand what he was doing in the same way that a person whose mind is functioning normally would. A normal man wouldn't want an 11-year-old girl for a sex slave or act on that desire even if he did. The man was sick. Had he not been sick, he wouldn't have done what he did. And sick people don't deserve to be hated and tortured for their symptoms of their sickness. And people who aspire to decency shouldn't be "venting" the way they are here. And you shouldn't be one of them, or be defending others who do, or casting vile aspersions upon me for pointing it out.
And deep down, you probably realize that.
What do I not get, Kellyg? That being "tired of criminals" is a legitimate excuse to plunge into the deep depravity of hatefully wishing sick people tortured for their sickness and others dead who call you on your abject indecency and challenge you to rise above it?
Sick from all that LSD putting holes in his damn brain. She had her first child at 14 and that did not have to happen. He did it.over...and over.and over again.
Ever read up on LSD users? Half of them all of a sudden turn religious and swear they saw god. Many hallucinate but never kill people.
He's a nasty old shit and deserves to die.
"A Choi said...Any guess on how soon before google takes down this website, for the love of God, please take this down?"
why should it be taken down? It doesn't display, in itself (if we disregard the comments section) anything offensive. It is a testament to the character of this man, and obviously a meetingplace for the many who are outraged by him, and a point for people to glimpse the character without relying on the same 12 sentences repeated by the media over and over.
I don't see any legal or moral reason to have it removed, and it probably doesn't contravene any google or blogspot rules... again, quite probably the comments do however. (though I myself agree that the hatred spewed here is totally understandable... thankfully it is limited to online spewing, and not actual real life mob lynching... I do believe that participating in violent acts such as those extolled here does affect the participants).
And who is this Nagarjuna person? I was reading comments #1-600, and got tired of skimming them, and jump to "newest", and Nagarjuna is still replying personally to half the posters. Even people who are blogowners don't argue with and reply to every second comment. Get a life. You've said your piece (ad nauseum) and we can agree or disagree without your constant input.
Finally, it IS frightening how this man was on a sex offender list and ON PAROLE, ie meeting regularly with a parole officer, who for 18 years didn't realise there was a girl hidden in the backyard, then pregnant, then a baby, then another baby... 15 years he had daughters and it was a surprise to the parole officer. What kind of intervention is that for the safety of society?
Thank god that the perpetrator is delusional enough to want to share his "heartwarming story" and thus bring "Allissa" and their daughters out in public to the parole meeting where they were questioned and the situation discovered. And thank god for the two police officers at the university who smelled out the situation. I hope that the family in question will be able to heal.
This guy is dumb as shit! Dont worry Phil we wont miss out!lol!Please give me some of that shit your on.
Natalie,I wouldnt say I am a christian because I dnt beleive in god BUT I dont not beleive in god.
I also dont beleive in satan. What I do beleive is that their has to be somthing after death I am just not sure what.
Lets just face it this guy is a pile of shit, and he'll get his sorry ass ran thru when he is back in prison. Maybe other inmates will re-produce that seen from the movie American Me. Does everyone remember the christmas tree saw?lolo. Now that is some shit!
This guy is dumb as shit! Dont worry Phil we wont miss out!lol!Please give me some of that shit your on.
Natalie,I wouldnt say I am a christian because I dnt beleive in god BUT I dont not beleive in god.
I also dont beleive in satan. What I do beleive is that their has to be somthing after death I am just not sure what.
Lets just face it this guy is a pile of shit, and he'll get his sorry ass ran thru when he is back in prison. Maybe other inmates will re-produce that seen from the movie American Me. Does everyone remember the christmas tree saw?lolo. Now that is some shit!
To those who suggest that comments not be posted solely because "Garrido won't be checking email", I disagree. This disturbing blog is a creation, and therefore, an extension, of that child-predator. For those of us who feel rage and disbelief at what he's done, but who also feel powerless to do something about it, this forum provides a useful and necessary outlet. And, it's an interesting social commentary - I hope it's archived for future analysis - esp. by sociologist who work in the legal system. If there was any doubt that pedophiles/child rapists were considered the lowest form of society, one would only need to consult the blog.
Also, I think it's fascinating that beneath the very thin social veneer of cordiality and social norms of decorum, our tribal aggressions and visceral sense of doling out violent justice in very public forums is bursting at the seams. We haven't come very far from public stoning, decapitation, burning at the stake, etc. - that's the human condition - we haven't evolved very much from our basic instincts... which is why I'd be willing to bet that predators like this ass-clown didn't last very long in earlier (more primitive?) societies. Perhaps the fear of immediate, violent, and public death *would* be a deterrent these days. Seems to be very effective in some Middle Eastern cultures.
Fascinating social commentary.
Nagarjuna, shut the fuck up. Religion is what has made and is making the world a worst place for the humankind. Garrido even uses religion as shield to ignore any responsability in his actions.
Leanne, how rude or just plain crazy of me to not ignore but actually accord the respect of a reply to many of the people who comment to or about me! And how despicable of me to to post so many comments whose very presence here, judging by your whining protests, forces you to read their every word and to feel aggravated and perhaps a little sheepish by the fact that they call your mass insanity and Christian hypocrisy into legitimate question. How dare me do such an awful thing. :-)
lol @ Nagarjuna, he whines about people having "sick fantasies" torturing Garrido but doesn't whine about raping children and having kids with them. Nagarjuna must be a sick fuck like Garrido in order to defend him.
WTF are you talking about, Gino? I haven't praised Christianity here. I think Christianity is a crock of nonsense. And I think we see compelling evidence for that right here in these hatefully sadistic comments from so many Christians. If Christianity was for real, it's adherents would, filled with the Holy Spirit, act the way they're supposed to instead of like rabid hypocrites frothing at the mouth.
No, Gino, I leave that to the hundreds of others here who seem all too happy to be "beacons of hate" who rabidly rant about what a monster Garrido is and how much he deserves to be Bubbacized and roasted in hell for eternity. There needs to be at least one person here, one gadfly, who says, "Why should a sick person be hated and tortured for his sickness?"
Nag: I don't believe that I said that Garrido should be tortured. I did explain why people wanted him to be tortured and why it seemed logical. That did not mean that I agreed. You could have construed it that way however. But you would be wrong. That would not be my choice of punishments for him.
What I DID suggest was that he should be castrated. I do think that would be a good thing for all rapists and especially wise for child molesters. I do not consider that torture since I would vote for it to be done by a medical doctor under anesthesia. My goal would be to end their desire to continue their actions but not to torture them.
However, I have to admit that I would not be sad to find out that he experienced a similar pain to what he inflicted on Jaycee. I do think that would be a form a justice that I would think somewhat balanced the scales.
Yes, he is sick. However, again, would you have him go unpunished? Do you not think of the victims? I still think that you are far too interested in the rights of the molester and way too cold toward the rights of the victims. I do think that shows a lack of compassion in you--and I still wonder if you are or have done the same thing as Garrido did. Lacking compassion is how a person can abuse a child sexually or rape a woman. They consider that child a non-human or not enough human to be valued.
After all, when a society considers the freedom and rights of a criminal over the freedom and rights of the victim, does that not show demise?
I have a deal for you. If you ever get out move or visit to alabama then look me up. So I can look you in the eyes and break your fucking jaw. you nasty child raping bastard!!
I am totally agree with death penalty for both of you, either by the system or by public. So all other monster will know what the consequences are. the parole officer, the local deputy police need to take responsible for not doing their job. I am single father with sole custody with my only daughter. So I know even death penalty are to good for both of you. The faster both of you die are good for the society. Please do God a big favor. Also other people that are defending, helping both of you or tolerate your both action may burn in hell. Amin
Star said:"What I DID suggest was that he should be castrated. I do think that would be a good thing for all rapists and especially wise for child molesters."
I don't have any solutions (obviously death penalties or jail don't stop people... there are death penalties for homosexuality in many countries, and there are still homosexuals) but castration doesn't really do much of anything. One can rape or sexually abuse someone with just about anything: fingers, sticks, a videocam, forcing one's wife to do things to the child, use an animal... heck, even castrati were known to have sex lives and desires. And it certainly wouldn't have stopped the kidnapping and confinement of Jaycee, just the use of that one body part, and would have prevented the pregnancies. I just wanted to point that out.
A lot of sex offenders want to be castrated as they want to stop offending and think that castration will stop their desires. However a lot of heinous sex crimes are committed by those unable to complete the sex act, not just those who can.
Everyone needs to just shut the fuck up. Dont we all agree this guy is a pile of shit? Yes, we do. So get off the religion shit!Phil is blogging out his neck.At the end of the day he is still the same pile of shit as he was when we started. So quit bickering like a bunch of little bitches! Lets just be happy that he will most likely get his wig split while he's locked up.
Wha....?
TO STEPHEN AND ENID :
I have only read a few comments here yet in regard to the post written by ENID that quoted Psalm 139:
That particular psalm according to most theologians was actually written by David. (Not Daniel)
TO ALL AND DAMEONJOE
Also any hairbrained ideas thrown out using scripture as the evidence, should have the direct scripture location listed and not just their own heresay.
Also here is what I say to everyone re: Sin confession and Redemption:
Isaiah 59:1 (New International Version)
1 Surely the arm of the LORD is not too short to save, nor his ear too dull to hear.
SD
How about exporting Garrido to Russia? They will love his California ass in a Siberian prison camp...
Nagarjuna doesn't get it, i think. Nagarjuna: why are you intent on moralizing, stoically, and condemning those who are expressing a healthy anger toward pure evil? Do you doubt that evil exists and that it is worthy of human rage? It is normal for people to express such emotion in the face of evil, to lash out, and then to pray for forgiveness. This is a normal response. We are not all sages, or prophets - God did not make us that way. And, God established the behavioral and spiritual targets towards which we strive - not you, Nagarjuna.
This person is beyond redemption, beyond saving, beyond mere human love. It is healthy for us to express our anger and outrage. We are not God, and neither are you. Human beings get angry - they express rage and disgust in the face of pure evil.
In the presence of God we may choose to pray for forgiveness after responding to pure evil with a healthy, human rage. We are people - God has made us. This is how we act. Stop judging. Accept and pray with us.
Is there any information online about this device Garrido made, the one with the sound generator and amplification circuit?
The news media is only mentioning it but no one seems to have any details about it.
Is there any information on-line about this device that Garrido made? The one with the sound generator and amplification circuitry? The news media has mentioned it but no one has provided details about it.
To all the bleeding hearts here and you know who you are: The guy is NOT mentally ill. He did his shit in cover. If he is simply mentally ill and not just pure evil, why did he bother to cover everything up? It's simple:.. He knew damn well everything he was doing was WRONG. The people here with the sympathy for the guy look and sound like complete idiots.
You are sick and ugly!! How can you distroy so meanny human lifes. I hope you rot in jail and burn in Hell!!! I hate men like you!!! But who dos not?
The thing that I find even worse is that Jaycee hasn't really been "rescued". Her life is always going to be confusing, and fearful. She will never have a normal healthy life or relationship with anyone. Our prayers are will you Jaycee!
I personally find the brainwashing and impregnating far worst than the kidnappying and rape. They are all absolutly shocking, but I think the everyday twisting of her mind that he did will cause more long term harm.
Sick child molesting piece of shit. I hope you burn in Hell with your cunt wife!
Kellyg--
You wrote: "The guy is NOT mentally ill. He did his shit in cover. If he is simply mentally ill and not just pure evil, why did he bother to cover everything up?"
I disagree. First of all, what is "pure evil" if not mental illness or defect that makes someone do terrible things? Second, to realize that the law and society consider something wrong and that they'll punish you for it is not the same as feeling in your heart that it's wrong or having the capacity to restrain yourself from doing it.
It truly mystifies me how anyone, especially anyone who claims to have an IQ of 160, could believe that an adult male who kidnaps a little girl off the street in broad daylight to be his sex slave, holds her captive in his backyard for eighteen years, fathers and raises two children by her, exposes himself to apprehension by taking them all to a busy university campus to distribute incoherent religious leaflets, and posts the nutty things he has to this blog is NOT mentally ill.
Actually, I suspect, Kellyg and the rest of you, that, in your heart of hearts, you DON'T really believe that he wasn't mentally ill. You just don't want to face your deep realization that he was ill, and you don't like anyone stirring it up, because you would then confront an unsettling conflict between the depraved things you've been saying here and your conscience.
You wrote: "The people here with the sympathy for the guy look and sound like complete idiots."
If I'm a "complete idiot" for believing that sick people shouldn't be hated and tortured for their sickness, then I happily embrace my idiocy. But, actually, it seems to me that those who argue that Garrido wasn't sick, that he deserves the worst that humanity and God can do to him, and that those who question this deserve to die for it are the ones displaying a dubious lack of intelligence and/or sanity.
Wow, Nagarjuna - you are really out there man. And really, really misinformed. Seriously sir, you should seek counseling. Your worldview is tilted to the fantastic in a very unhealthy sense. I hope you get some help.
Nagarjuna-
If you have empathy for a old freak that kill and abuses lots of ladies and little girls!!! You are probably one of the freaks to.
Well i hope he will suffer .... but since i do not really believe in hell i guess that is not the right word to use. But since he are «christian» and he believes in it so... out of that hell he will see what he did to all his victims. But whatever, he are not the only man like that ... it is too many freaks like him. And i do not think he is ill... i think he is evil. I got NO empathy. If you can understand him... please lock you're self up!!!
Joe wrote: "Nagarjuna: why are you intent on moralizing, stoically, and condemning those who are expressing a healthy anger toward pure evil?"
I'm not "condemning" anyone here. I'm merely questioning whether they should be saying what they are here. For there seems nothing "healthy" about wanting someone to be raped and tortured mercilessly for his mental illness, and there seems to be nothing "healthy" about people telling me that they think I should be abused and killed for saying what I have here. If you want to talk about "evil," what are the preponderance of comments here if not "evil," and what have I been doing here if not questioning and opposing that evil?
You wrote: "Do you doubt that evil exists and that it is worthy of human rage?"
Joe, I don't doubt that people do harmful, terrible things that we call "evil," but I DO doubt that the natural rage that people might feel toward that evil justifies the additional evil of the responses we see here, whether or not those expressing these responses seek forgiveness for them afterward. And I think that well-meaning people like yourself who post excuses for them are abetting that evil and, therefore, committing evil in your own right.
You wrote: "We are not all sages, or prophets - God did not make us that way."
So what does it mean to be Christian and filled with the Holy Spirit if not to be or at least aspire to be better than those who aren't Christian and filled with the Holy Spirit, to rise as far as you can above your human weaknesses and evil deeds and "imitate Christ"? And what does this entail? Well, for one thing, it entails not gleefully and unapologetically saying the kinds of things that most are saying here, and it also means not abetting those who do it.
You wrote: "This person is beyond redemption, beyond saving..."
In Christian teaching, isn't only GOD qualified and empowered to make THAT judgment?
Joe, how am I "really out there," how am I "misinformed," and how is my "worldview tilted to the fantastic in a very unhealthy sense"?
All I can say is your never going to see the light of day outside a jail cell ever again.
There is a special place for you in hell, and an even more special place in jail. The things these men will do to you will never come close to what you have done. I myself would like to see someone cut off your eyelids and keep taking your picture, or put a hanger on a hot stove and ram it up your ass, or sew your asshole shut and just keep feeding you. I wish you the best of torture in prison.
Pissed wrote: "oh...btw...NILAX...I wish you were the one kept captive in Garrido's backyard."
Why would you wish that fate on anyone who is merely "venting" his/her thoughts and desires? If we follow your logic, shouldn't we wish that everyone here who has written that they want to see Garrido savagely raped and tortured and sent to hell or me abused and killed should meet the same fate?
Think, people, think!
Casey wrote:
"I myself would like to see someone cut off your eyelids and keep taking your picture, or put a hanger on a hot stove and ram it up your ass, or sew your asshole shut and just keep feeding you. I wish you the best of torture in prison."
Would you do those things yourself to him if you could? Did Garrido do those things to his captives? It doesn't appear that he did. So, why would YOU do or want to see them done to him?
Think, people, think!
Nagarjuna: You are "out there" in that your pop-psychology / pop-philosophy belies the sensibility of a rational adult. "Enlightenment" does not mean that we see the world through the haze of a sophomoric rationalization. It is not healthy to reduce human reality to simple diagnoses.
There is hurt in the world. There is evil. All evil is not characterized by a textbook conception of "mental illness".
I suggest that you transcend the enlightenment that you think you enjoy and realize the world for what it really is. Your one-dimensional view is comforting to you, perhaps, but not real.
Listen to the people who have responded to this message board. What are they really saying about what it means to be human? Let go of your pop-philosophy and pop-psychology, because it is misguided.
Nagarjuna----
I relay hope the police read this blog and look you up. You seem like this freak of a man's friend. Maybe you helped him.
You won't last long in jail. Too bad. You should suffer for a long long time.
Mitch Haase: You are absolutely no better than this pedophile. Not sure why your disgusting naked picture of your little dong is still up. I think the investigation on you should start here before you hurt anyone.
I am shocked, one person in here commented on this in 5 days, yet you are all wish some pretty horrible suffering and death upon the pedophile who was caught. I totally understand the anger here, but don't understand this one man who posts his disgusting self, with no relative comment right in front of you is totally missed. He he is likely as sick in the mind as this pedophile.
Are you all going to just let it slide? Are you just going to wait for him to hurt someone so you can all come back and post more hateful barbaric comments.
Why reduce yourself to his level of mind.
There is no death sentence for what he did, he won't die for this unless another is willing to give up his soul to do it.
Put your energy into actually doing something to prevent this garbage already. I wish someone with the know-how would post here where everyone could get involved in forcing our government to recognize these animals for what they are after their first offense. Lock them up for life, or find another way to keep them from return to society.
How many final straws like this do we need. Is this venting doing any of you any good?
Star, you wrote: "That [torture] would not be my choice of punishments for him."
I'm delighted to read that! I hope the frenzied lynch mob here read it too and take it to heart.
You wrote: "What I DID suggest was that he should be castrated."
It's my understanding that castration, whether genital or chemical, doesn't always stop an offender from re-offending. But if we could be sure that it would, would you support letting Garrido be released?
You wrote: "However, I have to admit that I would not be sad to find out that he experienced a similar pain to what he inflicted on Jaycee."
If the carrier of a lethal disease inadvertently infected someone else with it and that person died a terrible, lingering death, would you not be sad to see that same fate befall the carrier?
You wrote: "Yes, he is sick. However, again, would you have him go unpunished?"
What do we generally do with sick people whose sickness poses a danger to others? Do we hate and punish them for it? Or do we quarantine them? I've already said what I think should be done with Garrido.
You wrote: "Do you not think of the victims? I still think that you are far too interested in the rights of the molester and way too cold toward the rights of the victims. I do think that shows a lack of compassion in you"
Yes, I think of the victims. I think of Jaycee and her two daughters, and I think of Garrido and his wife. ALL are victims of his illness. ALL deserve our compassion. You say you see a lack of compassion in me for the girls. How so? Because I don't keep saying how sorry I feel for them? By that standard, almost everyone here is showing a lack of compassion for those girls. Instead, they're merly "venting" their hatred and sadistic fantasies regarding the Garridos.
I chose instead to focus my attention on being a counterpoint to the preponderance of depravity here. For, in the final analysis, it seems to me that the highest form of compassion we can express for any victim of abuse and crime is to summon "the better angels of our nature" to engender a world in which people are less inclined to give in to their basest instincts and impulses.
You wrote: "After all, when a society considers the freedom and rights of a criminal over the freedom and rights of the victim, does that not show demise?"
No one here, myself included, is urging that we place the former above the latter and that the Garridos should go free after what they've done, after they've been duly convicted in a court of law of having done it.
Keep your eye on Creepy Phil's van as it exits the driveway and follows the Google Street View photography van ....
Go to Google Maps, enter 1554 Walnut, Antioch, CA, and zoom in to see a close up aerial view of the Phillip & Nancy Garrido house and notice the van in the driveway parked in front of the detached garage with the very rusty top. This is he same photo that’s been on the news and in the papers – the house with the blue tarps in the secret backyard.
Next, open Street View by dragging the little orange man in the upper left corner to Walnut Ave, just to the north of Garrido’s house. Use your mouse and the little view box in the lower right corner to orient your view to the house and driveway. Click on the arrows in the middle of street to advance your view and use your mouse to keep your view oriented so that you keep looking at the Garrido's driveway. Advance your view and 'look' back toward the Garrido house as the rusty old van exits the driveway and follows the Google van south on Walnut, then right on Bown Lane all the way up to the stop sign at Bown Lane and Viera Ave.
I wonder who was driving that van.
Nagarjuna: What, where, how did you ever come to the conclusion that this man was just "sick"?
He was not just "sick". He is selfish, only cared about what he wanted. Took no other life, or one life's feelings or wants into account.
He is not mentally ill. From a very young age he was doing acid (LSD) and other drugs. He was tested after being caught for his first rape. HE HAD NO BRAIN DAMAGE. He took the drugs of his own free will, he raped, kidnapped and tortured at his own free will, for the gratification it gave him.
In reality, the anger in this room is just a bunch of people venting their anger. I do not believe you would find one here who will do to this man or his wife as they say they wish upon him. But, there are people in prison, who will punish this man.
Your protection of this man is uncanny to say the least. Blame it on sickness. Are you feeling guilty over something you did. Is that why you think it is sickness? I do think an investigation is warranted here also.
Nagarjuna: I think this is ultimately the tension between your opinion / analysis and that of what you call the "lynch mob".
You want to treat evil with compassion, understanding, and emotional rationalization. You think this is a "noble" pursuit. You think that this human is afflicted with a "sickness" and deserves our compassion because of it, as do the victims here.
Your worldview seems quaint, misinformed, childish. It seems to me that you have built a bubble, a lens through which you rationalize evil.
The "lynch mob" as you call it feels differently - that this man had God-given free will and acted in accordance with is evil plans. The lych-mob is tired of a pop-psychology which rationalizes this behavior. We do not need to justify our anger to you or to God, because we know that nger in the face of evil is a basic human point of view.
The lynch mob would kill this man, with our own bare hands, if he pointed his evil in our direction. The lynch mob knows that God loves us, that God made us, and that God would understand our desire to erase this mistaken spirit from the planet.
Do you see the difference here? Can you acknowledge that one point of view is a manufactured rationalization while another is an honest expression of humanity in the face of evil?
Furthermore Nagarjuna: Look at the dates these blogs were started. Then go do some research from all the news reports.
What was the day the police went to this perps house when the neighbors called 911. You know the day. The one in which the police didn't even go into the back yard to help these girls.
Now, tell me this man was not building an insanity case for himself. He knew the jig was about up. While it shocks me that it still took another 3 years, his other actions show that he was trying to end it. He went to the FBI, with all the shit he had been coming up with to show his supposed insanity. Why, because the cops did not catch him, he had been fearing this and working to cover his actions for so long, that was the only thing driving him crazy.
Let's face it. He was getting old. He couldn't get it up so easily anymore and that is really all there is to it. He was nothing less than proud of himself for getting away with it for so long, and then scared when the heat turned up. Albeit for one day, it was just enough for him to know that it was coming to an end.
Joe, you wrote: "You are "out there" in that your pop-psychology / pop-philosophy belies the sensibility of a rational adult."
What "pop-psychology / pop-philosophy" is that?
You wrote: ""Enlightenment" does not mean that we see the world through the haze of a sophomoric rationalization."
That's right, and the "sophomoric rationalization" I see is the repeated excusing of the sadistic depravity being expressed here on the grounds that it's just harmless venting against an evil "monster" who is "beyond redemption" and therefore unworthy of any mercy or compassion whatsoever.
You wrote: "It is not healthy to reduce human reality to simple diagnoses."
I couldn't agree more, my friend. And what is the reduction of Garrido's crimes to "pure evil" if not the unhealthiest simple-minded diagnosis of all?
You wrote: "There is hurt in the world. There is evil. All evil is not characterized by a textbook conception of "mental illness"."
What IS it characterized by? What causes it?
You wrote: "Your one-dimensional view is comforting to you, perhaps, but not real."
What is unrealistically "one-dimensional" about my view and realistically multi-dimensional about yours?
You wrote: "Listen to the people who have responded to this message board. What are they really saying about what it means to be human?"
One of the things they're saying to me is that we human beings are readily and frighteningly vulnerable to surrendering our wisdom, reason, and even sanity to a mob mentality of fear and fury, and that this helps to explain many of the human horrors of the past as well as presages many human horrors yet to come.
Neshama: You wrote: "Nagarjuna----
I really hope the police read this blog and look you up. You seem like this freak of a man's friend. Maybe you helped him."
Ah, the personal attack on the messenger, the last refuge of those who can't rebut the message.
The police would be wasting their time with me. I'm not abusing any kids or breaking any laws. But they might do well to look into some of the most ardent contributors to the hatefest that's been raging here. Who knows what THEY may have done or might be doing right now to those they arbitrarily decide are monstrous evildoers?
Nagarjuna: We will have to agree to disagree, apparently. I suggest to you, though, that you have not found "enlightenment" through your worldview, although you think you have. Ultimately, humans are meant to act like humans, not like ascetics. We are not meant to deny the world, to rationalize it away. There are some things we cannot "speak" about. The process of finding the lines that define the reality in which we exist is the great mystery of what it means to be alive. Sometimes those lines are defined by pure evil, and they make one's soul shudder. I would hope that you can somehow acknowledge that human morality is much deeper than your simplistic conception. Good luck to you sir.
Teresa, you wrote: "He was not just "sick". He is selfish, only cared about what he wanted. Took no other life, or one life's feelings or wants into account."
What is that magnitude of selfishness and lack of empathy if not profound sickness or defect? And how many people's merely "selfish" desires involve kidnapping little girls and doing all the things to them that Garrido did? That goes beyond just being "selfish." "Selfish" is grabbing the last ice cream bar out of the fridge and eating it before your husband or kid gets it. "Sick" is wanting to keep a child sex slave and then actually doing it.
You wrote: "From a very young age he was doing acid (LSD) and other drugs. He was tested after being caught for his first rape. HE HAD NO BRAIN DAMAGE. He took the drugs of his own free will, he raped, kidnapped and tortured at his own free will, for the gratification it gave him."
What kind of tests determined that he had no brain damage, and who says mental illness invariably manifests as currently observable brain damage? Why does someone repeatedly abuse hallucinogenic and other potentially harmful drugs from "a very young age," and, if they are damaged by it, how are the effects caused by that damage "free"? That is, if someone's mind is warped by the drugs to the point where he is willing and able to commit crimes he wouldn't have been willing or able to commit without using the drugs, how are his actions not attributable to the drugs rather than "free will"?
You wrote: "Your protection of this man is uncanny to say the least. Blame it on sickness. Are you feeling guilty over something you did. Is that why you think it is sickness? I do think an investigation is warranted here also."
I've already addressed these personal remarks previously, so let me turn your words around on you. Your protection of those who publicly advocate the savage anal rape and torture of another human being is uncanny to say the least. You attribute this to mere venting. Are you feeling guilty over something you did? Is that why you think it's only venting? I do think an investigation of you is warranted here also. (Whom have you raped,tortured, and perhaps even murdered because you think he abused someone else?)
Nagarjuna - last comment from me. You need to cool down the rhetoric. It doesn't help your cause. You profess a reasoned, "enlightened" point of view and then resort to personal attacks. You've said that you feel the need to play gadfly here, to play devil's advocate. Unfortunately for you taking that position means that you will incur attack. You can't have it both ways, although it is clear that your position begs for such a nihilistic outcome...
You are amusing... :) So contradictory - and for some imagined purpose... :) Buddha would have fun with you... :)
You have lot of growing to do, friend. Good luck to you on your journey.
Going to hell. Enjoy it there.
Nagarjuna...Did you read NILAX posted??? You could not possibly have read what they wrote, and for a second question my posting. This freak went into graphic details of what she/he was doing to their bay girl...very uneasing, and stomach churning thoughts that this sick individual posted. What they did was not venting hate, but par taking in the illness, and refering to their own children in the process! He/she is equally sick in my opinion!
Nagarjuna...Did you read what NILAX posted??? You could not possibly have read what they wrote, and for a second question my posting. This freak went into graphic details of what she/he was doing to their baby girl...very uneasing, and stomach churning thoughts that this sick individual posted. What they did was not venting hate, but par taking in the illness, and refering to their own children in the process! He/she is equally sick in my opinion!
Nagarjuna:
You are a sick man. You seem to have a control issue. There is not one word in my posts that wish or not wish anything at all upon these to pedophiles. However, I have read all your posts. You have this need to be right, this need to control, this need to change others views. You seem to want to slam these people for not being "Christian" enough to turn from this and forgive these two pedophiles. Mind you pedophiles who have not even asked for forgiveness, much less truly meant it.
That sir, in my book, does make you very sick, and well unlearned, no matter how many big words you use. This is not this man's first crime. In fact, the law believes there were many, many, many more in between his first and this tragic case.
What I see in many of these posts, are "victims". Those who are sick and tired of living in fear of these pedophiles, sick and tired of the pain they feel when they hear about these disgusting things these pedophiles do. AND FURTHER ENRAGED when someone with the audacity as yours comes in here to judge them. We are sick and tired of these pedophiles, being forgiven by people like you, wanting us to support their unacceptable persons in prison, so that the law can let them out of prison and subject us again. Not only do we expect to live in fear that they will re-offend, but ultimately, we must always experience that they do re-offend someone, in some ugly distorted way.
"Your supposed Christian way" of looking at this is absurd, just like this mans phoney ramblings in these blogs. Are you going to tell us that he was so sick while he forged all the signed documents in these blogs, that he didn't even know it was him forging, that he truly was so ill that he thought these other people signed them. No, you don't, you can't, you just defend what you enjoy in this life.
To hold these people accountable for their words of anger, and protect these two pedophiles is disgusting. You are not protecting him for any other reason than the fact that you are getting off on what he did and what he is about.
You are one of the few fighting this in here, with what 20 posts? Truly, when 1,087 people post their hate for this man and what he did, and maybe 5 post of understanding of this man... don't you get it. The people want the law changed. They wish death upon him because our law will release him upon us again and because he hurt a child. STOP SAYING HE WAS TO SICK TO KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING. He had his chance, he enjoyed his pleasures just a little to much at the hands of others.
You put up the money to support his ass in prison or shut up. You have so much faith that this is the correct thing to do, I am sure if you are correct, GOD will be glad to hand over the money for you to take care of him. We, the people don't want to support him or the likes of him anymore physically or mentally. We know his gratitude would be to just to come out and give us more pain.
Very similar as to what you seem to enjoy doing with your argumentative posts
Joe, you wrote: Your worldview seems quaint, misinformed, childish."
What is "quaint, misinformed, and childish about it?" Examples and explanations please, not just unflattering labels.
"It seems to me that you have built a bubble, a lens through which you rationalize evil."
What do you mean by "rationalize evil"? That I attempt to provide a rational explanation for it? If so, what is irrational or unrealistic about my explanation? How is it wrong?
You wrote: "this man had God-given free will and acted in accordance with his evil plans?"
HOW do you "know" this? Who "freely" (i.e., without pathological causation) chooses to do what Garrido did and risk destroying himself for it? How could anyone "freely" do such a thing?
You wrote: "We do not need to justify our anger to you or to God, because we know that anger in the face of evil is a basic human point of view."
Anger is one thing. Going on and on in exquisite detail about how you long to see this person raped and tortured and burned in hell forever and ever and ever, saying that you'd rape and torture him yourself if you could, and saying that those who question this deserve to be raped and murdered themselves goes way, way beyond mere and justifiable anger. And no Christian worthy of the name should do it much less excuse and abet it in others or be usurping his God in pronouncing anyone "beyond redemption." You know I'm right, Joe, so be a good Christian, suspend your pride, admit that you agree with what I'm saying, and urge your fellow Christians to repent before it's too late. :-)
You wrote: "The lynch mob would kill this man, with our own bare hands, if he pointed his evil in our direction. The lynch mob knows that God loves us, that God made us, and that God would understand our desire to erase this mistaken spirit from the planet."
What a disturbingly warped understanding of Christianity you have: It's okay for a Christian to be part of a hateful lynch mob that sadistically abuses and murders evildoers, because God will understand that you're all just obeying the nature He gave you and doing His good work of erasing evil from the earth.
You wrote: "Can you acknowledge that one point of view is a manufactured rationalization while another is an honest expression of humanity in the face of evil?"
I'm afraid not, Joe. My view that Garrido is a victim of a sickness or defect that has destroyed his life as well as damaged the lives of his captives and that he deserves to be treated with mercy and compassion for this, but quarantined from society for the rest of his life, seems sensible. Your excusing the sadistic hatemongering we've seen here for the past several days seems like the true rationalization of the unjustifiable.
Hiding behind God as a reason to kill, rape and torture...hmmm. You permanently killed the souls of three little girls, and probably so many more lives unknown at this time and then have the balls to tell us God wanted you to use MIND control to get your jollies off. I hope the voices tell you that your "cure" didn't quite take.... And really, I hope everyone in the jail you are sentenced to will take their time torturing you. Remember Jeffrey Dahmer, I'm sure his last moments were blissful to all the world.
Joe, you wrote: "You need to cool down the rhetoric. It doesn't help your cause. You profess a reasoned, "enlightened" point of view and then resort to personal attacks."
Would you be so kind as to help me by pointing out to me to what "rhetoric" and "personal attacks" you're referring?
You wrote: "Unfortunately for you taking that position means that you will incur attack."
Are you saying that people here are capable of no better than leveling personal attacks at me instead of responding substantively to my arguments? This seems insulting to them, however well-meaning you might intend to be.
Pissed, you wrote: "Nagarjuna...Did you read NILAX posted??? You could not possibly have read what they wrote, and for a second question my posting."
Yes, I read what s/he posted. But according to the principle that many have implicitly espoused here, it's okay to merely talk or write about doing the vilest things to other human beings so long as you don't actually do them. So, as long as NILAX was merely "venting" her/his desires (or trying to stir things up) without following through with them, there is nothing wrong with it.
On the other hand, if there IS something wrong with it, as I believe there is, then it's also wrong for people to vent the hatred and savage fantasies they have here toward Garrido. You can't have it both ways. It can't be wrong for NILAX but good for self-professed "beacons of hate" like Kellyg.
Think, people, think!
Nigarjuna: I am not going to respond to your obvious attempts to argue valid points here. You are a sick man. You claim Christianity, you must know an "eye for an eye", you must know "offer the other cheek". He has been offered the other cheek. You want to support him, go ahead, offer him your cheek. I am sure you would both enjoy that. Just don't come in here expecting I will respond to your illness anymore.
As Bozo the Clown used to say, wowie kazowie! Just look how much more attention this blog thing's getting since you (rhetorically I guess if they won't let you read it, which would be another crime, Phil) got apprehended for something they consider heinous. Makes you think Jesus wouldn't amount to anything historically significant if he didn't ever get accused of a crime. Not that that's the really important thing. The really important thing, people round here seem to be missing, from the look of things. I mean, I haven't read more than the first page of comments coming in here, they're coming in so, but it looks like no one has the radical satanic perspective that's sadly lacking in this here dialogue. Elsewhere, the rare & precious thing can be found, if not as much as it's needed. There's some stuff that appears beyond the comprehension of anyone in a hysterical mob, and from what I can tell, the folks commenting here mostly have that sort of character. So I feel like it's practically my duty to point some things out, sure as Jesus Christ works at a car wash in New Jersey.
Your crimes are insignificant compared to much commonplace and ubiquitous injustice which people don't want to do much about (in the rare instances where they can) because there's no one to blame, and restitution is more difficult (when possible), though more important, than punishment. Though punishment has its relatively insignificant place. There's far worse things afoot than evil. You appear, for instance appear to be worse than evil, for what that's worth. There are far worse things close at hand than you. The mob that cries for a relatively insignificant component of justice makes you appear to be a lightning rod, protecting greater injustice from being burned by the lightning of righteousness. People can be charmingly stupid, and stupid can be worse than evil. That's obvious to many and incomprehensible to many, and one man's as different from another as a dog from a cat.
Teresa, you wrote: "You have this need to be right, this need to control, this need to change others views."
When I see people saying the most depraved things imaginable about a fellow human being, yes, I question it and take issue with it. I make no bones about it and feel not the least bit ashamed of repeatedly standing up for reason and sanity amidst the unreasoning insanity rampant here. Perhaps I will reach no one here. Perhaps I will change no one's mind or heart. Or perhaps I will, even if they would never admit it.
You wrote: "You seem to want to slam these people for not being "Christian" enough to turn from this and forgive these two pedophiles."
I am not "slamming" them. I'm just making observations about their behavior and how it contradicts the teachings of their faith. Do you disagree with what I've said about this? If so, what do you disagree with and why?
And I haven't said anything about "forgiving" the Garridos.
You wrote: "What I see in many of these posts, are "victims". Those who are sick and tired of living in fear of these pedophiles..."
Very eloquently put, and I don't disagree with it. They ARE victims, and they're frightened and angry. But fear and anger don't remove all restraints on how people, especially Christian people, should express their fear and anger, and much of what we've seen expressed here is beyond the pale of anything that we should see or defend. And, as I said previously, if my correctly pointing that out makes me "sick," then I'm happy to be "sick."
You wrote: "Are you going to tell us that he was so sick while he forged all the signed documents in these blogs, that he didn't even know it was him forging, that he truly was so ill that he thought these other people signed them..."
No. I'm telling you that he had to be sick to do what he did to those girls, and that one can know he's committing forgery and that forgery is illegal but still be unable to stop himself from doing it.
You wrote: "To hold these people accountable for their words of anger, and protect these two pedophiles is disgusting."
I am merely pointing out the depravity and hypocrisy of what are not merely "words of anger" but unspeakably vile and sadistic revenge fantasies, and I am pointing out that pedophiles who go to Garrido's extremes are profoundly sick and should not be hated and tortured but quarantined from society for the rest of their lives.
Ok!
That there are many crazy people in this world is nothing new. Still I'm shocked and frightened every time there is a case that some of these crazy people keep their victims in captivity this year after year.
The most frightening is really that it is actually possible. How can this continue for years without anyone responding? Neighbours, colleagues, acquaintances, family, etc. know nothing about it, and I think it is quite strange.
What do you think?
That some people and families experiencing such tragedies, is just terrible. Crazy people ruining the lives of both the person being held in captivity, but also to the families that are left without knowing what has happened, that in the latter case where a 11 year old girl was kidnapped. Now she is finally found, 18 years later. All these years the parents lived in ignorance if she lives or is dead. They have not guessed what happened to her.
People who inflict such suffering people should be locked up long! When they manage to commit such acts that lasts over time, one can ask whether it is possible to "help" them to become better and more normal people. I doubt it, some people think I do not get better no matter what kind of assistance they receive.
What do you think?
BTW... I think those sick ppl like him are everywhere :( It makes me so scared... and why do i Wright to thing extremely creepy blog. It is not like the freak ever will read it ..(i hope)
Teresa, you wrote: "I am not going to respond to your obvious attempts to argue valid points here."
Good. It's about time you acknowledge that I'm arguing valid points and revert to silence. Or, better still, take up the cause of reason and decency and join me in arguing those valid points against the still crazed and confused rantings of the lynch mob.
You wrote: "You claim Christianity, you must know an "eye for an eye"
Was Jaycee subjected to hideous tortures the frenzied mob here wants to see inflicted upon Garrido? There is no "eye for an eye" in their rantings. Their would-be punishment infinitely exceeds his offense.
I think, perhaps, That the Garridos were frustrated with their Christian Sexuality. They should have turned to advice and information like Better Sex For Christians or Sex Satisfaction For The Christian Wife How Christian Wives Experience Total Sexual Satisfaction.
I hope you will never see the daylight again...
Lauralolita (a curious moniker, given the subject of our discussion here), you wrote: "I hope you will never see the daylight again..."
If, by chance, he does, perhaps you will have the great good fortune to be standing there with a spiked dildo while a group of your good Christian friends prepare him for the "administration of justice."
I think everyone who feels inwardly tortured has full right to vent and state what they feel. I feel everyone has the right to believe in God/Jesus and the wholy spirit or not. While my duty is to only share the word, it is each person's own duty to make that relationship. I do not believe in people forcing upon us from his podium how life should for the rest of us. An eye for an eye, you have only two cheeks to offer, you owe nothing else once you have been slighted on both. Go to your politicians, let them know you have had enough.
Nagarjuna:
It's hard to believe what a horrible little pest of a human being you are coming to the defense of this child molesting monster!
You say: "Was Jaycee subjected to hideous tortures the frenzied mob here wants to see inflicted upon Garrido"
How do you define torture exactly? Does raping a 12 year old girl not constitute torture? Does being held away from your parents for 18 years not constitute torture?
This animal simply deserves to be put down. If you so yourself allege that he must be afflicted with some form of 'sickness', I reassure you whatever the sickness might be it is definitely incurable. This man was sentenced to life in prison once only to be let go after serving some 11 years of the time. As a result innocent children suffered (the child and then her children)! What we are dealing with here is a diseased and crazed animal that has to be permanently removed from the society. And since no normal man would want to pay out of his pocket to house and feed a vicious predator like that, my argument is he has to be euthanized, if not tortured to death (I'm fine either way). THAT OR you can take him in and do the feeding, caring, and rehabilitation work. Maybe have your own child spend time with him.. explore the possibilities... help him out as it were.
As well, the fact that you even suggest there must be some justification for his acts is abhorrent. I think just like there's a registry for sex offenders there has to be a registry for sex offender defenders like yourself. God only knows what demons you harbour.. I mean there's just gotta be something in your background that allows you to simply brush off a heinous crime like this as if it were some kind of petty theft at a local moms & pops store. That like any other normal human being you are not somehow shocked by this is alarming. I mean, it's not like you had abused little children in your time right? How are you even able to come to grips with this then? How could anyone not be repulsed by this UNLESS he hadn't done something as horrible if not more in his own time... I know you won't admit either way, but it's really so fucking obvious.
Skipping the question of your past... following your trail of thought the only thing this man deserves is for the government to provide him with fresh young teens to exploit in order for him to keep his deviant sexual desires fulfilled. In your perverted mind, after all, he's not an evil incurable predator but simply an average man who just can't help but have these sexual urges towards prepubescent and defenseless girls. In your bizarro world we wouldn't need jails or judiciary punishment but learn to live within and amongst crime however gross or small. You do realize that that what you propose is utter lunacy and utopian at best right?
To conclude.. the saga is not yet over. As I write this authorities have dug up some bones in his backyard. This monster may have done a lot more 'good' to the world than you may even think.
Teresa, you wrote: "I think everyone who feels inwardly tortured has full right to vent and state what they feel."
You mean say that you'd like to do to others the wrongs that others have done to you? You mean two wrongs REALLY DO make a right?
I agree that you have the right to free speech, even hate speech. But wouldn't we better serve ourselves and society by speaking up for mercy, compassion, and justice for all victims of crime and suffering instead of reveling in hateful public fantasies of vengeful torture and torment?
You wrote: "I feel everyone has the right to believe in God/Jesus and the wholy spirit or not."
I agree. But if they DO believe in these things, why not live accordingly instead of acting like hypocrites?
vladb: Don't go there with this maniac. It is clear in his words, he doesn't feel Jaycee was tortured having been raped at 11. He doesn't feel this man did anything deserving punishment. He feels we should all support, cloth and feed him in prison and nothing less. He doesn't believe in an eye for an eye, because he is guilty of something himself in which he feels he cannot overcome if he doesn't support those like him. You are entitled to feel as you feel in the eyes of the lord. These two pedophiles had their chances of redemption many times over again. They chose to live the life of Satan's spawn and the reality is, they gave up the right to our forgiveness. Arguing with this lunatic will get you nowhere but feeling less discouraged in Christ.
Nagarjuna: "You mean two wrongs REALLY DO make a right? "
Since when just punishment for a crime committed is WRONG exactly? Since when destroying a predator who'd raped and mutilated a child is wrong? What universe are you coming from? In the real world (that is just as brutal as it is beautiful) due punishment is always just and natural consequence of a crime.
Your pathetic argument for some kind of leniency for this monster reminds me of a quote by Abraham Lincoln:
“He reminds me of the man who murdered both his parents, and then when sentence was about to be pronounced pleaded for mercy on the grounds that he was an orphan”
I'll simply conclude in the words of Leonardo da Vinci:
“He who does not punish evil commands it to be done.”
By defending this crime, you are yourself coming to the side of the criminal and partaking in the very crime committed, even though in spirit.
Vladb, you wrote: "Does raping a 12 year old girl not constitute torture? Does being held away from your parents for 18 years not constitute torture?"
Of course it does. But my question, though perhaps not as clearly worded as I would have liked, was whether Jaycee was subjected to the same kind and degree of torture that people here are urging for Garrido and his wife. Look at the torture fantasies people here are gleefully spinning about Garrido, including the idea of him burning in screaming agony in hell forever and ever. Was Jaycee subjected to THOSE tortures?
You wrote: "As well, the fact that you even suggest there must be some justification for his acts is abhorrent."
How so? What is "abhorrent" about arguing that a sick person should not be hated and tortured for his sickness? What IS abhorrent is someone, like yourself, saying that you wouldn't mind seeing such a person tortured to death.
You wrote: "I mean there's just gotta be something in your background that allows you to simply brush off a heinous crime like this as if it were some kind of petty theft at a local moms & pops store."
Since when is advocating the lifetime quarantine of someone for his crimes a mere "brush off"?
You wrote, "That like any other normal human being you are not somehow shocked by this is alarming."
Who says I'm not shocked and alarmed by it? I can't be shocked and alarmed by it and still advocate genuine fairness and justice toward a sick or defective human being? And where is your shock and alarm over the sadistic rantings you've seen here? Maybe, to follow your illogic, the police should keep a registry of those who express or agree with these rantings. They might just stumble onto a vigilante who has a suspected child abuser (whose actually innocent) shackled in a basement and agonizing from godawful tortures.
You wrote: "following your trail of thought the only thing this man deserves is for the government to provide him with fresh young teens to exploit in order for him to keep his deviant sexual desires fulfilled."
How does my "trail of thought" lead to anything of the kind?
You wrote: "In your perverted mind, after all, he's not an evil incurable predator but simply an average man who just can't help but have these sexual urges towards prepubescent and defenseless girls."
Where have I EVER said that Garrido was an "average man," that his pathology was curable, and that we should allow him to live among us in society?
You apparently haven't read what I've been writing, or you've read it and failed to understand it. Perhaps it's time for you go back and read it all again before you come back out here and embarrass yourself further.
If somehow you do not rot to death in prison, I will hunt you down and kill you.
Teresa, you wrote: "He feels we should all support, clothe and feed him in prison and nothing less."
If you believed that he truly couldn't help but do what he did because he was sick or defective, what would YOU want to see done with him? Let us set aside, for the moment, the issue of whether he was sick in this way. I know you think he wasn't, or, at least, you've been saying you think that. But, for the sake of argument, let's suppose that you knew or believed otherwise. Again, what do you think would be justice for him?
Speaking for myself, I'm in a quandary about this. I don't believe that sick people should be vengefully punished for their sickness. But I also don't want to see someone whose done the monstrous things Garrido has live on at society's expense for perhaps decades. So, as much as I've philosophically opposed the death penalty my whole adult life, I'm not sure I would oppose it in a case like Garrido's. But just remember that it reputedly costs more to carry out the process of executing someone than it does to incarcerate them for life, and that if we shorten and cheapen the process that leads to execution, we increase the risk of executing the innocent. What's more, we risk coarsening the executioners and society as a whole through execution.
Having said that, I again admit that I'm not sure I would oppose Garrido's execution, provided it were done humanely and through due process.
vladb: I sense you will want to come through the computer and choke someone. Don't let it get to you. He is like every other rapist. Unfeeling and uncaring, it is uncompromisable to him the pain caused to anyone inside the picture or out. He uses the excuse of sickness, failing to see this man was not sick, just selfish and self centered. Why, well that is obvious, he is walking in this man's shoes.
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