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YouAreSuchAFreak:
Before I go, Samantha left a message on the other blog for you. It was October 2, at 12:46 p.m. She also left a message for all of us yesterday at 4:22. Our hero! Talk to you later.
P.S., it that is you calling, my cell is dead and charging... can't answer. I'll plug it into the car and will be available in about 15 minutes.
TheBoogieManHater,
What other blog do you and Freak, and Samantha go to?
Boogie is out for a few hours. BrendaStar it is not a blog like this one. It is called 187Over Over and it is designed for officers wanting to get away from their daily life. There is a story every day, designed to get away from negative news. Internet treasure hunts, and just things to relax and have fun. I think Samantha can give out links to apply and join.
I just found a digital camera lying around in my house. It was a present I got back in 2006 or 2007 that I never paid much attention to at the time. It's 4 megapixels. It's got a 128mb memory card (a 4gb one on the way). I'm gonna go out to my local woods to take some nice photos.
youaresuchafreak,
I missed ya around here :) Glad to see you have returned darling :) I do miss my friend Samantha... Oh i understand thank you for replying.. If Samantha would like to that would be fun.. but I understand thats neat...hmmmmmm... I think too I have figured Boogies profession out lol :) :)
So do all you guys work together... then are you the same profession as Boogie? Just curious... I am glad the surgery went well from reading your comment I am assuming that is what occurred.. :)
BrendaStar: I did not want to appear rude in not responding so just a quick note. I have been summoned so I must go for now. I'll get back soon I hope.
YouAreSuchAFreak,
Thank you :) I have to run shortly myself but I will be on later this afternoon evening... i look forward to talking to you. Have a good day.
I refuse to allow myself to feel hate for you, even though I find what you did incomprehensible and disgusting. I only wish that you find a tiny shred of decency and PLEAD GUILTY for what you did to that poor young life, and her ill-fated children. I suspect you do not sleep well, and never will, for when the lights go out there is no hiding from the hell you have created for yourself. If you were human you would admit to what you did and give up the nonsense.
How do you guys feel about your right to bare arms?
I made a blog it is easy took 2 minutes.. hmmmm... if you go to my name on a comment click on it and it brings you to my profile then you scroll down to the bottom and the blog is at the bottom it is quite easy though 3 steps. I was curious..
"Power corrupts and absoluter power corrupts absolutely." ~ John Emerich Edward Dalberg
hee hee spell checked :) giggling
"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely." ~ John Emerich Edward Dalberg
I'll probably never be able to see this, given the fact that I can't access the later comments pages, but here is some wisdom for the day in case anyone can read it now or someday:
October 6
As an archer aims the arrow, the wise aim their restless thoughts, hard to aim, hard to restrain.
– The Buddha
Thoughts are things, even though we cannot hold them in our hands or see them with our eyes. This is very different from our usual view. Usually we consider thoughts as immaterial, so we are not aware of how a fleeting thought can affect us. If I throw a beach ball at you, it won’t hurt much; in five minutes you will have forgotten about it. But if I say something harsh to you, you will not be able to forget that thought; you will take it home in your mind, have nightmares about it, and wake up oppressed the next morning. We all know from personal experience how a harsh comment from a parent or a friend can rankle in our consciousness for years. This is the immense power of thoughts.
--Eknath Easwaran
BrendaStar: "I think too I have figured Boogies profession out lol :) :)
So do all you guys work together".
Sorry Brenda, I thought I told you. I am litigation defense counsel (mostly), and YouAreSuchAFreak and I work together, her husband Mike is also litigation counsel but is of counsel with our firm. He also has other obligations with another legal entity. Teresa is retired, but didn't end her career working with us. She opened up her own firm, did a great job, and was fortunate enough to retire early. We have all been, plus a few others, great friends for many years.
It is acting a little weird again. My post about gun control or banning is missing in here.
I said no, It will not work. It is to late to do anything about the guns now. If you ban guns, all the law abiding citizens would have no defense against the criminals. If they can't get illegal semiautomatic guns off the street (and their are hundreds of thousands of them), how in the world will they get any of the criminals guns off the streets. To prevent us from protecting our selves now at this late date, would be absolutely ludicrous. It would have been nice if they had done this years ago, after the mafia days, but then they were telling us that we should dig and build our own bomb shelters. How much sense would it have made then for them to ask us to lay down our arms when they were so sure we were going to be bombed and invaded.
Hi BrendaStar: Sorry I missed ya today. Everything is backed up around here. Boogie... walk on down here. This is a must see!!!!
Boogie,
Thank you for telling me :) That is what I was thinking.. that is interesting.I mean I had no idea what aspect but I had an inclination it was in the legal dept. You had made a reference to it one time that I remember but it was vague, from what I remember. I appreciate you sharing that with me. That is nice you guys have been friends and co workers for awhile..
the gun thing came up for me because Gov. Schwarzenegger has a bill on his seek that they are tying to have put on the next election ballot but to have a background check for anyone that buys ammunition any kind of gun ammo. you would have to have A background check first get approved then be able to but it.
AB 962 would:
• Ban all mail-order and Internet sales of handgun ammunition.
• Prohibit the retail sale, the offer for sale or the display of handgun ammunition in a
manner that allows ammunition to be accessible to a purchaser without assistance of a
vendor or employee.
• Require that the delivery or transfer of ownership of handgun ammunition occur in a
face-to-face transaction, with the deliverer or transferor being provided bona fide evidence of identity of the purchaser or other transferee.
That evidence of identity, which must be legibly recorded at the time of delivery, includes:
• The right thumbprint of the purchaser or transferee.
• The date of the sale or other transaction.
• The purchaser's or transferee's driver's license or other identification number and the
state in which it was issued.
• The brand, type and amount of ammunition sold or otherwise transferred.
• The purchaser's or transferee's signature.
• The name of the salesperson who processed the sale or other transaction.
• The purchaser's or transferee's full residential address and telephone number.
• The purchaser's or transferee's date of birth.
The bill is on the desk of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, where it awaits his consideration. He will have until Oct. 11 to sign or veto the bill. If he does not veto the bill, it will become law.
I meant desk not seek sorry I was distracted for a sec. there
YouAreSuchAFreak,
Its okay I hope you had a good day at work :) why were things backed up? Are you guys okay?
hello people
More excuses... pretense of "finding the problem". I realize the Garrido's did this, but do we not pay for the service of the parole board?
Phillip Garrido, a suspect in the kidnapping of Jaycee Lee Dugard, who was abducted from South Lake Tahoe in 1991.
The California Department of Corrections has credited its parole officer with helping put the alleged kidnapper of Jaycee Lee Dugard behind bars, but now the state Inspector General's office is investigating the department over the length of time it took to discover the kidnapping victim.
Phillip Garrido had run-ins with local, state and federal law enforcement in the 18 years he allegedly held Dugard captive in the backyard of his Antioch home, and Inspector General David Shaw has launched an investigation to see if parole officers could have brought an earlier end to the nightmare.
"Certainly there were a lot of entities involved that potentially could have found this out," Shaw said. "One of the areas we're looking at is, should the Department [of Corrections] have known sooner?"
Deputy inspectors have already toured Garrido's property and started interviews and case audits to scrutinize every move the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation has made in the case.
Officials with the CDCR have defended their parole agents and said they did everything they were supposed to do, which many have said implies a systemic problem somewhere else.
"That's what we're looking at," Shaw said.
The CDCR is conduction their own internal investigation and say they fully expect some changes to the way parole officers do their jobs.
"A lot of things we're looking at is how we can improve the processes internally," said Gordon Hinkle of the Department of Corrections.
What a crock of caca!!!! "implies a systemic problem somewhere else.
"That's what we're looking at,"
Doesn't this just reak of "and nothing will have to be changed, like actually walking through the property. Looking in, on, up, down AND AROUND. What a bunch of lazy SOB's. Our tax dollars at work people.
Off to work I go... where I have to show something for my pay!
Miss all you guys... :)
I thought that ammo bill was interesting.....hope you got my post Boogie.. and I hope you have a good day today :)
Boogie,
would you be interested in communicating by email?
i didnt get an error message that last time!!!!
NO MORE ERROR MESSAGE YEAH!!! ITS WORKING EVERYONE YOU CAN VIEW THE LAST COMMENT!!!
Jaycee Dugard to testify at trial of kidnapper:
lawyer
Jaycee Lee Dugard will testify at the trial of Phillip Garrido, who is accused of kidnapping and raping her during her 18 years in captivity, her lawyer has said.
Miss Dugard, 29, who bore two daughters to the convicted rapist following her 1991 abduction, understood that she would need to give evidence against her tormentor at a future trial, McGregor Scott said.
"I'm confident in saying that, if this case does proceed to trial, Jaycee will, in all likelihood, be a witness for the prosecution," Mr Scott told CBS television's Early Show.
"She's aware of that, and understands that," Mr Scott added. "That day is a long ways away from right now, so she's got a lot of time to continue with the mending and the healing and the rehabilitation she's going through now."
Miss Dugard was discovered alive last month nearly two decades after she was snatched as an 11-year-old in South Lake Tahoe, California.
Garrido is alleged to have kept her captive in a squalid secret garden compound of sheds and tents. The registered sex offender and his wife have been charged with 29 counts, including kidnapping and rape.
Mr Scott said Miss Dugard "clearly understands that some very bad and terrible things were done to her, and the people that committed those crimes need to be held accountable".
Jaycee Lee Dugard kidnapper Phillip Garrido's first wife Christine Murphy says he's a 'monster'
BY Nancy Dillon In Los Angeles AND Corky Siemaszko In New York
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
The Monster's first wife says he once "tried to gouge" her eyes out with a safety pin.
Phillip Garrido, who is accused of kidnapping Jaycee Lee Dugard and raping her repeatedly during 18 years of captivity, went into a jealous rage when he saw another man flirting with his wife.
"He took a safety pin and went after my eyes," Christine Murphy told Inside Edition. "He left a scar on my face."
Murphy, who said she and Garrido were high school sweethearts in northern California, said he "smacked" her around during their brief marriage and that she became his first kidnapping victim when she tried to flee him.
"I was always looking for a way to find out how to get away," said Murphy, who worked at a Reno casino to pay the bills while Garrido tried to launch a musical career. "He'd always told me he'd find me wherever."
Murphy said that when she was finally able to escape, Garrido "found me."
"He pulled up, turned around and forced me back into the car," she said, in part one of the Inside Edition interview that airs Monday night.
Calling Garrido a "good manipulator" and a "monster," Murphy said she was relieved when Garrido was sentenced to 50 years in prison in 1976 for kidnapping and raping another woman.
Murphy, who remarried and is now a mother a four, said she had no idea Garrido had been released early and reacted with disgust after he was arrested for turning Dugard into a sex slave and fathering her two daughters.
"It makes me sick to my stomach," she said. "He's pretty much capable of anything."
Murphy spoke out as Dugard, who was just 11 when she was abducted in June 1991 from a bus stop near her home in South Lake Tahoe, Calif., was trying to reconnect with her once heartbroken mother.
A team of shrinks were helping Dugard and her daughters, Starlet and Angel, make the painful transition from virtual slaves living in Garrido's backyard to a normal life.
Dugard and the girls, who are 15 and 11, had been kept out of the public eye since they were rescued from their hovel in Antioch, Calif., last week.
Garrido, a 58-year-old convicted sex offender and religious fanatic, and his second wife, Nancy, 54, face 29 felony counts. He is also a suspect in a series of unsolved 1990's murders in nearby Pittsburg, Calif., including a school girl and eight prostitutes.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/08/31/2009-08-31_jaycee_lee_dugard_kidnapper_phillip_garridos_first_wife_christine_murphy_says_he.html#ixzz0TGjinLKx
INSIDE EDITION is hearing from Jaycee Dugard in her own words for the first time since she was freed.
She says simply, "I am so happy. I feel so happy."
"This is news because this is the first time we're hearing really specific words that Jaycee spoke to her family about her frame of mind and how she's doing," says David Caplan from People magazine.
According to People, on newsstands Friday, Jaycee and her two daughters are planning their new lives and making lists of the things they want to do.
Caplan says, "Jaycee really seems to have a positive outlook going forward, despite all the horrors she's gone through. In fact, she was sitting there chatting with her family. She was in good spirits and her aunt even tells people she has the same smile that she remembered from 18 years ago."
And INSIDE EDITION has solved the mystery of a photograph, which accused kidnapper Phillip Garrido used on business cards.
Garrido told his printing company clients that it's Jaycee. Side-by-side, the model looks like Jaycee does today.
But family members tell INSIDE EDITION it's a stock photo of a model that Garrido downloaded from the internet.
Former prosecutor Michael Cardoza says he's learned that Garrido and his wife Nancy went "shopping" for a perfect child to kidnap.
"They were child-shopping. They were looking for a child to take and as they passed a group of young girls, Phillip Garrido noticed Jaycee and said, 'That's the one I want.' The next day they went back and grabbed her," says Cardoza
And INSIDE EDITION has more from our exclusive interview with Jaycee's half-sisters and biological father. They say they're hoping to meet Jaycee soon.
"I feel like I've been left out of someone's life, the memories together, experiences," says Jaycee's half-sister Brittney Slayton.
Like Jaycee, Brittney was a cheerleader. And she says she watched her father cry when news broke that Jaycee had been found.
"He was looking at pictures and looking at what Jaycee had gone through. It really just pierced him through the heart," Brittney says.
INSIDE EDITION talks to the other family of Jaycee Dugard...the one she never knew existed.
Jaycee's half-sisters and her biological father are speaking out for the first time, exclusively to INSIDE EDITION.
"We want to know her, we want her in our lives," says Brittney Slayton.
Sarrah Slayton says,"I'm just as curious as my sister is. This is all just a shock. We'd really like to know who she is."
Ken Slayton is a 64-year-old retired truck driver who lives outside Los Angeles.
He told INSIDE EDITION that 30 years ago he had a relationship with Jaycee's mom Terry that only lasted a month.
After they broke up, she told him she was pregnant with Jaycee.
Slayton says, "She told me I was the father. That's the last time that I talked to her, heard from her."
"Did you ever meet Jaycee?" asks INSIDE EDITION'S Jim Moret.
"Never met Jaycee," says Slayton.
Slayton says he was shocked to find out about Jaycee's kidnapping when FBI agents showed up at his door 18 years ago.
He was ruled out as a suspect, just as Jaycee's stepfather Carl Probyn was.
When Jaycee disappeared, Ken was married and had two other daughters, Sarrah, now 24, and Brittney, 21.
INSIDE EDITION takes a look at pictures of Brittney when she was 11, the same age as Jaycee when she was kidnapped.
"When she was abducted, obviously we were too young to understand what happened," Brittney says.
Sarrah says, "We always thought she was dead."
Then came the astonishing news that Jaycee was alive, and had been kept a prisoner in a backyard all these years, and that she has two daughters. They are Ken Slayton's granddaughters.
"It's so overwhelming I can't even deal with it," says Slayton.
Jim Moret showed Slayton photos of the monster Phillip Garrido and his wife Nancy, charged with kidnapping Jaycee 18 years ago.
Moret says, "I just want to get your gut reaction to these two people."
Slayton crushes the pictures and throws them. "This is what I'd do to 'em, I'd put 'em in the trashcan. End of story."
Now Jaycee's other family hopes they can welcome her and her two daughters into their family someday.
Moret asks, "What do you want Jaycee to know?"
"I want her to know that we're here for her when she's ready," says Brittney.
Hello BrendaStar.
Whoooooopieeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi Nag!
Nag,
That was so YOU to slip in your thought for the day even though you couldn't see the current posts. Hah!
You're too much...
Coonhound, I thought it was a good message to post in case anyone could see it. It seemed wise and relevant to proceedings here. :-)
Lunch time.
Hello Coonhound :) welcome back
Hi brendastar.
You alright today?
Hello...
Denise
Boogie
Freak
Tara
Dr Webb
and all else, too!
Easwaran's Thought for the Day
October 7
No one hath so cordial a feeling of the Passion of Christ, as one who hath suffered the like himself.
– Thomas a Kempis
The principle underlying the Passion of Christ is that out of his infinite mercy, the Lord has taken our suffering upon himself. As long as any living creature is in pain, so is Jesus, for he lives at the heart of all. Wherever violence breaks out, no matter how cleverly we try to justify it, we are crucifying the spirit of Christ.
Patience and passion both come from a Latin word meaning to suffer or endure. When we speak of the Passion of Christ, we are recalling the suffering he endured on the cross. Whenever we practice patience – cheerfully bearing with somebody who is irascible, or enduring discomfort rather than imposing it on others – in a small way we are embracing the principle of the Passion.
This does not mean becoming blind to what others are doing. I know when somebody is being rude or unkind, but it does not impair my faith in that person. I keep my eyes on the core of goodness in him; and I act towards her as I would have her act towards me. There is only one way to make others more loving, and that is by loving more ourselves.
--Eknath Easwaran
Hello everyone, I do not have anything to contribute tonight. I am watching movies with my sons tonight. Have a blessed one.
A special hello to Coonhound!! And a thanks for nothing and a kick in the shin to Nagarjuna for notifying me that the blog is open again. Thanks amigo, lol. I thought we were banned. jeje
Denise, I knew you'd find out our access was restored a nanosecond after you got back on your computer. :-)
Enjoy your movies tonight.
Coonhound,
Yes, why? I have a lot going on today.. why whats up?
I hope you are doing good today and having a wonderful day Coonhound.
BrendaStar.
Hi there. No, nothing is up here. "You all right today?" was just another way to say...how are you? (giggle)
Catch up with you later.
Boogiemanhater! Please!
"Anything to deceive, fake names to post under, lies that he is in Sacramento, lies that he is in the UK, condemns Christians and signs off God Bless in one of his aka's.
Come on people.... when are you going to get it.. .. The man is a fake, WHAT DO RAPISTS DO TO GET YOU.... What did Garrido do to get his first Known rape victim. LIED... NEEDED A RIDE. FAKE FAKE FAKE"
This is really offensive! I don't know 'Nag'. I live in a place called Heswall on the Wirral peninsular in England, not far from Liverpool. I am a scientist but am a believer. I came onto this forum because I watched a TV show about Garrido and drew a parallel with Madeleine McCann. I can't tell you how strongly I resent being labelled a rapist. I am a happily married man with three young children.
Boogiemanhater, I would really take a long hard look at yourself and ask why you would make assumptions about people like you have just done.
"LOL.... Coonhound... check this out
"Mike said...
Coonhound:
Mate, this isn't a trick."
Isn't "Mate" Australian, not generally a term of the UK. LOL"
Boogiemanhater, you know nothing. Yes, they say 'Mate' in Australia because they are essentially English emmigrants and we say 'Mate' all the time. Mate is an English term of endearment meaning 'friend'.
I'm not someone pretending to be someone else. Examine your conscience.
God bless and kind regards
Mike
Hi Denise!!
I hope your movie night is going nicely. My son and I had a night out together last night! We had fun. We ate out for dinner and then spent a couple hours at Borders. We both bought books and dove into them when we got home. Its was nice. My husband isn't too into visiting them bookstore other than to walk through it or get some coffee! Lol
Boogiemanhater! Please!
"Anything to deceive, fake names to post under, lies that he is in Sacramento, lies that he is in the UK, condemns Christians and signs off God Bless in one of his aka's.
Come on people.... when are you going to get it.. .. The man is a fake, WHAT DO RAPISTS DO TO GET YOU.... What did Garrido do to get his first Known rape victim. LIED... NEEDED A RIDE. FAKE FAKE FAKE"
This is really offensive! I don't know 'Nag'. I live in a place called Heswall on the Wirral peninsular in England, not far from Liverpool. I am a scientist but am a believer. I came onto this forum because I watched a TV show about Garrido and drew a parallel with Madeleine McCann. I can't tell you how strongly I resent being labelled a rapist. I am a happily married man with three young children.
Boogiemanhater, I would really take a long hard look at yourself and ask why you would make assumptions about people like you have just done.
"LOL.... Coonhound... check this out
"Mike said...
Coonhound:
Mate, this isn't a trick."
Isn't "Mate" Australian, not generally a term of the UK. LOL"
Boogiemanhater, you know nothing. Yes, they say 'Mate' in Australia because they are essentially English emmigrants and we say 'Mate' all the time. Mate is an English term of endearment meaning 'friend'.
I'm not someone pretending to be someone else. Examine your conscience Boogiemanhater.
God bless and kind regards
Mike
Hi mike.
I really appreciated the "waiter" joke or story. That was good. I have heard it before and still it got me.
Thanks Coonhound. That puzzle is a good one. You can make people doubt their own sanity by repeating the maths over and over LOL. Just when they have the answer you can swerve them away from the truth.
-Which was my point in the first place. Some people cannot see the truth, even if it is right in front of their faces.
I look into the eyes of Madeleine's parents and can see the pain. Many people just want to believe the garbage (or 'rubbish' as we say over here) that they are fed by the internet.
Mike
Mike, Boogie is in San Francisco for at least through Friday and I am not sure she will be blogging. I have known Boogie for well over 20 years, and I have known Boogie to be quite the investigator, by trade. I am not saying you are, nor that you are not one and the same as Nag, but I will say this. You popped in and used Nag's same lines and tried to make the same point as Nag had been attempting to make, but at a time in which he lost face and respect of the listeners. By making statements and insinuations that people should not listen to BrendaStar because information could be interpreted two different ways. This was done while Nag quit posting, therefore, I too find it quite suspect.
I also do not see you calling Coonhound out on the carpet for agreeing that she as well thought it was Nag. Nor do I see Nag calling Coonhound out for agreeing that she thought you were Nag as well. So, what is all that about. I therefore have to question what this is really all about myself. So why is Coonhound everybody's buddy and Boogie plays the fall guy? Could it be the plan... Nag has sat in this blog and requested people to rebuke Boogie. Are you going to tell me that your statements here are not just another attempt and harassing Boogie?
Nag has been disrespectful to many Christians in this blog. Specifically here, wherein your questionable comments referred to came in, Nag had been disrespectful to BrendaStar and a few others, educating others, and suggesting to others to pay attention and study up about what our government, the USA's government is doing. He insinuates that she doesn't have knowledge and therefore shouldn't speak or educate others. Please. What and why? Because Nag has this incessant need to take control of a conversation. Everybody must listen to him and agree with him. The only thing is that he had nothing to back him up when Brenda called him out on the carpet for his negligent words.
Your timing for the comment does appear quite suspect. Try going back to read the comments and piece it together yourself. Print it, it makes it a hell of a lot easier.
Coonhound, I don't know you at all, but when I read the entire blog, you sure turned tail against what you were saying prior to all this. Suddenly Boogie must apologize to Nag? I am shocked, but not surprised.
BrendaStar thanks for the people articles! This sounds encouraging. Like Jaycee is doing very well. Comforting.
BrendaStar, I think my statement earlier is why the feds will not release all of the records on Garrido subpoenaed:
Blogger YouAreSuchAFreak said...
There is one more thing that really bothers me about this case. Every single time someone tries to find out why Garrido was put back in jail (some reporters say home confinement) for four months in 1993 due to "FEDERAL" PAROLE VIOLATION, this answer is dodged. EVERYONE WHO SHOULD KNOW WHY says, "I DON'T KNOW" what law he broke. So far, the people, the media just take that for the answer.
This denial easily leads me to believe that it was some sort of sexual attempt or something that would have led them to Jaycee so much sooner.
September 23, 2009 4:57 PM
I believe the country just may once again be shocked when the Courts finally order those documents released. What did he get arrested for in 1993? What was that parole violation?
Freak,
I do believe nag and I have posted at the same time. So, that takes care of that.
I do not condone any of the harassing behavior bw nag and boogie. Good natured fun is one thing, malicious talk bw fellow bloggers...very immature and serves nothing of value.
As far as me using the same "lines" as nag...that's silly. I think you are letting your imagination get the best of you.
I read boogie's response to me, and feel she over interpreted my intent and meaning. And I do believe that my posts clearly show my OWN beliefs rather than an attempt to play games or take sides.
your welcome YouAreSuchAFreak thank you. I thought it was encouraging also.
Also freak,
I will not go back and re-read posts of when who says what. I know who I am and who I am not. Do you? Perhaps you are on a wild goose chase and I'm not interested in getting involved in that.
And I can not imagine why "a legitimate investigator" would behave in such a way in person or over the net...I really don't. That behavior is self-defeating.
Also freak, I think you "skimmed" over a lot of the posts, too.
Very silly, very very silly.
Coonhound. I am not going to argue with you about this. I did not say you used the same lines as Nag. Read my post again. I said that you agreed that Mike was Nag when Mike posted. You said so several times.
That is all I have to say about it.
Coonhound,
lol.. giggle after i replied i thought to myself... damn youve had a lot of coffee.. ha ha :) I am good thank you and I hope you are as well. Runnin around today. :)
Freak,
Furthermore I never told Boogie she should apoligize to nag. I said make peace, not say sorry.
And I never stated or implied that anyone should love or have compassion. I said avoid "enmity" or a deeply seeded hate.
Obviously you two can not keep your imagination under control.
YouAreSuchAFreak: I am here, I brought my own laptop this time. Don't sweat this on my account. It is freezing down here - I had to go buy a new Jacket. What a difference.
I did bring work back with me, but Janet has that damn music blasting again. So I may walk down to Starbucks, but either way, I cannot chat tonight.
Hi BrendaStar. I enjoyed the articles too. I looked for news online at lunchtime today and didn't see anything and cannot find anything now. Are these older articles or todays?
Coonhound. "And I can not imagine why "a legitimate investigator" would behave in such a way in person or over the net...I really don't. That behavior is self-defeating."
For such a peace maker, you really do not have room to talk. I have nothing else to say to you. I told you, I am not hear to argue. You know what you did and didn't do.
Goodnight Boogie. Starbucks sounds like a good idea. Have fun!
Clearly you and boogie are looking to argue.
And I never agreed that mike was nag. We went from a light hearted, joking conversation to boogie being malicious!!! And I dropped out of it.
If you don't want to argue then stop your rediculous accusations towards nag and everyone else...its that's simple.
I tell you what Coonhound. You handle Nag your way, and I will handle him my own way. Fair enough?
Feak,
You are on a public forum.
If you do NOT want to argue, then DON'T argue.
It really IS that Simple.
Coonhound. How am I arguing? You are the one who keeps coming back with something else. I cannot comprehend how anyone can tell anyone else how to respond to another on a "public" forum.
Another Daily Dumb:
According to WebMD, the kinds of doctors who specialize in the diagnosis and treatment of breast cancer are "surgeons, medical oncologists, plastic surgeons, and radiation oncologists," all of whom work together as a team. You'll note that nowhere on that list is the word "dentists," which is a large part of why a San Jose, CA based dentist named Benva Oshana Lazar (pictured) is in jail right now for his alleged deeds.
Last April, Lazar, 56, pleaded no-contest to six non-sex related misdemeanor battery charges as part of a plea bargain, after women patients told police that Lazar had touched their breasts during routine dental exams and procedures under the guise of performing a breast-cancer examination.
Thanks to the plea bargain, he received a 9-month jail sentence, which he had been serving for four days, when two more former patients came forward charging that they too had been touched, shall we say "south of the mouth." This time, one of the patients was a 14-year-old girl, and the plea bargain was history. Lazar has now been arraigned on a grand jury indictment of lewd and lascivious acts on a 14-year-old as well as two counts of sexual battery by fraud. If convicted, he could serve up to eight years and have to register as a sex offender.
Apparently "thinking women are so stupid that they think their breasts are in their mouths" is legal in California, or he'd have been busted for that too.
BrendaStar, I see a lot of posts from our conversation yesterday or the day before in here that you posted that were not in here yesterday or this morning. (The days are running together.) Anyway, I just saw them. It is getting kind of late to respond to them now, but, I do plan on taking Friday off, or working from home if that is not possible, so I will respond then. (I cannot wait until I am in full retirement!!!!) Just wanted you to know I was not ignoring you.
Good night.
BrendaStar,
I just caught your last post to me.
I hate it that our conversation on healthcarewas cut short by the "technical difficulties" the other day.
But we can pick it up later. I was especially interested to hear more out of Tara, too, since she's in the UK.
I had noticed that you had helped clarify to tara about how the insurance would work here in case of an ER visit due to a heart attack. Thank you. Your answer was much more informative than mine.
Go easy on that coffee!
bub-bye.
TheBoogieManHater,
Hello there :) I believe the first too I posted were older and the last two were current today from what I could find. Glad you enjoyed them :)
why cant you chat tonight? too much work?
YouAreSuchAFreak,
Goodnight.. I look forward to your response, and conversation. Thank you for letting me know you were not ignoring me :) It is appreciated.
BrendaStar. Yes too too too much work. I want to get finished so I can get out of here and come back home where it is warmer. I have you guys up here on one of my windows (Can not help it LOL). The screen is not flickering anymore.
I was reading a news article and blog messages at the end the other day. Everyone was down on the father because he was never in Jaycee's life. In a way, I can understand him wanting in. First he has 2 daughters that want to know their sister, and second, when he heard about the kidnapping when Jaycee was 11, he probably had a lot of time to think and regret not knowing her. He only dated Jaycee's mother for a month, they never talked again after she told him over the phone that she was pregnant. Yeah, he screwed up.... but, I think he deserves the chance, and I think the more family for Jaycee, the better too.
Just my 10 cents,
Coonhound,
I know we were on a roll the other day :) id love to carry the conversation on :) anytime.. and your right technical difficulties did mess with our discussion thats for sure. im glad we are back now without error messages..
Ill try to go easy on the coffee but i doubt it i wont lie. I love it.. bad habit i know but im 5' 2" so im not worried about stunting my growth too much that happened a long time ago.. ha ha :)
TheBoogieManHater,
Im sorry you have so much work... your dedicated :) id ask what your working on but i highly doubt you can tell me, but maybe im wrong.
I also feel better late then never and of he want to try i think if Jaycee does then it is good for her.I can understand growing up himself after 2 more daughters of his own after Jaycee and seeing them grow up. I bet as a dad he always thought about Jaycee then on top of having guilt because she had been kidnapped and he did not know her.. and then later found what a roller coaster of emotion
Good night YouAreSuchAFreak. Thought the Daily Dumb was good, but are they not starting to get to serious. This used to be the laugh of the day. ;) Nite
TheBoogieManHater,
Goodnight Boogie..
You are right in a way. Not allowed to discuss cases... I can say it is a business (wine) and real estate company litigation. Sale of business gone bad, property reverted back to original owner, a lot of missing product and machinery, as well as damaged property and machinery. But I have two more cases here that I have placed with an associate that I have to look over and deal with before I can come home too.
LOL, is that my hint... Sorry was telling YouAreSuchAFreak Goodnight.
I really should get back to work. One more cafe mocha! LOL
BrendaStar,
LoL. I hear ya on the coffee and the height! I'm right there with you on both!
Yes, we were on a roll and I so do want to hear as much as tara can share based on personal experience with the uk system.
Also, you work(ed) in healthcare if I remeber correctly.
I'd prefer to hear from people with first hand knowledge, rather than the politicians on TV!
We will definitely get it going again.
I'll have a yahoo account by this weekend, so maybe we can take it up there, if that's what you and tara would prefer.
Either way I'm fine with it.
TheBoogieManHater,
Wow that is a lot of work so 3 cases basically to work on.. I can imagine the work that you have in store.. ugh.. and no that wasnt a hint at all.. :) lol..
Coonhound,
Id like to hear more from Tara also about the UK and her situation over there. and yes i did work in the healthcare administration and billing depts for a while. I used to joke and say I was a paid arguer. My war was against insurance company's. I worked with insurance authorizations for along time and surgery scheduling and the arguing i did to get peoples surgery's authorized was ridiculous alone, but that was only one job that I have had in the medical field I have learned many in all depts. of billing and admin healthcare depts. But yes I definitely know the back end of the situation there.. and Obama does down play what is happening it is fraudulent.. and he knows it.
That is only 3 here in SF. I have 22 in LV. I am debating on once these cases here are gone, not taking any more cases here and only in LV. Everything is up in the air right now. I have a second interview coming up for a job at the US Embassy soon. I received a letter Monday scheduling it for 10/23, but then Tuesday another letter stating that they have to reschedule and will contact me soon. Tough decision if I get offered the position. A dream, or security????? I think there is security in both, but it is just so far away, and I have ties like my house and my apartment. But, I also have YouAreSuchAFreak and others to watch over those if I do not sell. Decisions!!!
YouAreSuchAFreak applied also, but we are still waiting for Mike to make a decision if it is in the cards for them.
Well, I have to get back to this. Talk to you later.
TheBoogieManHater,
wow thats amazing!! Good luck with all of that.. youll make the right decision.. 22 cases total wow thats a lot.. or to me it seems you must be good :)
I have an attorney for my custody issues with me and my daughters father and I cant stand him. He never does what he says hes going to do and he lets me down constantly to where I feel helpless sometimes.. But there is a women attorney here and I wish I could afford to retain her and move my case... from Nevada to California..and transfer my case to her. I mean I have joint custody and all there are just some other legal aspects that have been very difficult for me.
TheBoogieManHater,
I think that is really neat about you and Freak.. Good luck :)
i find hard work admirable.
You can't move a case that easy. Your and your ex's location is the determining factor, but if the attorney has a license in both States.... maybe she can help you in Nevada. I only do because I started practicing in CA after school. Our firm has 13 offices around the country and 2 in London. I had friends in LV so I transferred to LV two years ago, but kept my license and a few cases to keep it going.
The number of cases does not say to much for how good an attorney is. One of my co-workers has 66 cases. It just depends on each case and how much work they produce. (It also helps to have associates to help and train, when you have to much work.) Most attorneys are only as good as their cases and the case's integrity.
Brendastar,
I was looking for our healthcare conversation and pretty much all the posts are gone...unless I overlooked something.
??????
Is it possible that some posts were deleted during that hang-up?
TheBoogieManHater,
Oh i know its hard to move it as to why it stays where it sits now.. lol.. :) no i could move it if i had the money to do it but i do not and as well as my mom is sick now and i just have to pick and choose my battles wisely :)
ill try to find it Coonhound
I do believe I will repost this in case "my intentions" come in question again.
"Nagarjuna said:
Boogie, I just can't see how you're making any sense. Does anyone else see it? Do you, Coonhound? Samantha? Brenda? Denise? Or are you all afraid to say what you REALLY think lest Boogie denounce YOU as another one of my burgeoning stable of alleged sock puppets? :-)October 3, 2009 11:08 PM*****"
Then coonhound made this general statement to address Nag's previous question to her...
"Everyone, Nag has already revealed himself to be a middle-aged, balding, blog loving, married, and unemployed man with a very irregular outlook on many issues. (No disrespect intended to you Nag)I guess I don't see where he would choose this cover in order to hunt for his prey in the way some have implicitly and explicitly stated. As far "sock and puppet" games...anyone of us could be guilty. There is no way to really know at this point, IMO.Also, Nagarjuna is the only one that has a detailed profile and it does "match up" with how he has presented himself here. Have any of you read his "Naked Reflections" on the Madoff case? (No offense Nag) What I'm saying is nag's pudding is out there for inspection...nobody else's is though.Nag's pudding is always the same...Also, nag's pudding isn't mixed in a way with things to entice vulnerable unexpecting adults for indecent acts, let alone children. In fact, most would find his pudding "unsavory".So, I guess I don't understand some of the accusations thrown out there about him...unless...Boogie, maybe you enjoy tasting Nagg's pudding, too! Sometimes it seems you say things to egg him on...imo.As for me, I like Nag's wit. I like having to be "on top of my game" when Nag is around. Nag, like many others make me laugh and I appreciate that. Nagarjuna is a very unique person. When he's around he does flavor things up a good bit.Nagarjuna...I make remarks sometimes with the intention of "smoking you out" in case you are around or popping in for a peek...its all in good fun on my end...really.
October 4, 2009 8:00 AM
******
I made this statement to clear up any questions anybody might of had about how I felt...to clear the air from my end. If my feelings offend anyone...so be it.
BrendaStar. I didn't mean that comment relating in anyway to your case. "Most attorneys are only as good as their cases and the case's integrity."
I just meant in most instances. There are bad attorneys, there are over worked attorneys, there are some who do not take notes and forget their plan believe it or not, there are some who take on to much for money's sake and can't get done what they promise, there are some who love their work and are selective of the cases they take and spend time perfecting every little aspect. It is like any other field of work. You have to love it.... but sometimes it becomes to much about the money... and I just want to live a little. Itching to move on, at least for a while.
I really have to get back to this, get done and get out of here. Talk to you later.
Brenda, it can wait, really.
Thank you though and sweet dream tonight.
:)
lol.. Sweet dreams to you too Coonhound.. :) talk to you soon. im tired tonight..
TheBoogieManHater,
we will talk again soon you have a good night burning the midnight oil. Sleep well. and have a good day tomorrow :)
hmmm ill have to think too real hard about which one of those aspects fits mt attorney the best ;) giggle..I agree with you though bad is a broad statement..
I'm currently watching videos of this story on MSNbc.com and what you did to Jaycee is irreparable. It's horrible and almost unforgivable..
Freak, with all due respect, my cautionary words against uncritical, wholesale acceptance of conspiracy theories regarding 9/11 and so forth were hardly "negligent." They were sensible and wise. I didn't then nor do I now presume to know that Brenda is mistaken in her beliefs, and I conveyed that from the outset. I merely warned against seeing what one wants to see and rejecting what one doesn't in order to paint a picture that falsely represents ALL of the facts of what really happened and why. I don't see where issuing such a warning constitutes any "loss of face" except to those who see what they want to see and not what's really there.
As for my allegedly disrespecting people's religion, I came to a forum dedicated to discussion and correctly pointed out that some self-professed Christians were not acting Christian. In a sense, I was showing greater respect for the Christian faith than were the people I was criticizing. I held up its most laudable and beautiful teachings and ideals while some here trampled them with their conduct.
I also expressed my misgivings about certain Christian teachings, and I presented cogent reasons for those misgivings. It would have been out of place and disrespectful for me to walk into someone's church and do this, or even walk up to people on the sidewalk and do it. But I did it HERE, where no one was obliged to listen to me or consider my words, but where those who were willing to listen to me could do so and consider my arguments and even respond to them if they wished.
As for Boogie's unequivocally and falsely asserting that I'm a pedophile using multiple "AKA's" to troll for potential child and adult victims, not only is that patently absurd but it's also unconscionable. And you and Boogie can deny this till Doomsday, but you're wrong to do so, and I suspect that, deep down, you know it. Nothing I have said or done here comes within parsecs of the wrongdoing of these scurrilous false accusations and the fact that there has never been so much as a hint of an apology or retraction.
But I'm a forgiving person. I don't hold grudges. I say let's put the past behind us and spend whatever remains of our time here together speaking to one another with civility and respect.
What do you say, Freak?
"As far as me using the same "lines" as nag...that's silly. I think you are letting your imagination get the best of you."
Precisely, Coonhound. And I think this illustrates very nicely how one can see "patterns" emerge in one's observations that are arbitrary rather than "real," like seeing a grouping of stars in the night sky as one figure or another. In actuality, it is none of those figures, but the mind has interpreted it as one.
This same disposition can work in framing conspiracy theories, though, once again, I'm not categorically stating that the conspiracy theories discussed here are examples of this.
Goodnight Freak, Boogie, Coonhound, Brenda, Denise, and everyone else. Pleasant dreams.
I agree TheBoogieManMaker the Daily Dumbs are not as "dumb" or showing lack of an active brain as usual. This creep obviously intended his crimes. Sure glad he didn't go unnoticed afterall.
Your little chick got out. Not sure how so we put it in the quarantine pen for safe keeping until you get back. LOL. Good luck today. Bye
Sex Offenders really are around every corner - when you least expect it:
(CNN) -- Prosecutors dropped one of the 15 cases against a former Alabama judge accused of checking male inmates out of jail and forcing them to engage in sexual activity including paddling, officials said.
Former Mobile County Circuit Judge Herman Thomas denies all the charges, his attorney says.
Former Mobile County Circuit Judge Herman Thomas denies all the charges, his attorney says.
One of the alleged victims claimed in a lawsuit he was urged by his own attorney to testify against former Mobile County Circuit Judge Herman Thomas, CNN affiliate WKRG reported.
In the lawsuit, Willie Pearson claims Joe Kulakowski, his attorney in a separate case, threatened him if he did not testify against Thomas.
However, prosecutors told WKRG that Pearson's lawsuit was not the reason his case was dismissed. They said dismissing the case was an effort to streamline the trial.
Thomas faces dozens of criminal counts, including kidnapping, sexual abuse, extortion and sodomy.
Jury selection continued Wednesday in the remaining 14 cases against Thomas. A jury could be seated as soon as Thursday afternoon, or the process could stretch through the end of the week, Mobile County District Attorney John Tyson Jr. told CNN Wednesday.
An indictment returned in March charged Thomas with 57 counts, and a second indictment in August added more. At one point, Thomas faced 105 counts, but a judge threw out some of them as the statute of limitations had expired, Tyson said.
Thomas, 48, has maintained his innocence. His defense attorney, Robert Clark, told reporters at the time of the first indictment against Thomas, "Did you ever think of the fact that this is the only black circuit judge we've ever had in Mobile County, and that the right-wing Republicans have gotten rid of him?"
Clark told CNN in March, "The South hasn't changed all that much," and questioned the credibility of the alleged victims. He pledged to "fight 'til the last dog falls."
In April, Thomas told WKRG the allegations against him were false, but that the most important thing for him is to make sure his wife and daughters were taken care of.
"I'm not guilty, and I look forward to being a part of the community that's supported me and I've supported my entire life," Thomas said.
If convicted of the most serious charge against him -- kidnapping, a Class A felony in Alabama, Thomas could face between 10 and 99 years in prison, Tyson said Wednesday.
Asked in March about defense attorney Clark's allegations of racism, Tyson told CNN, "In this case, as in every case, we try to react to the law and facts, and that's all. Anything else is outside our authority. I can assure anybody that's interested that this is not being pursued for some racial agenda."
Prosecutors are awaiting a decision from the trial judge on whether a psychologist will be allowed to testify about sexual fetishes during the trial, WKRG reported.
Thomas resigned from the bench in October 2007, just before he was scheduled to stand trial before the Alabama Court of the Judiciary on multiple ethics violations charges. The complaint, dismissed after Thomas' resignation, accused him of "extrajudiciary personal contact" with some defendants but does not refer to any sexual contact.
The Alabama State Bar suspended Thomas' law license in March following the first indictment.
The indictment from August, posted on the Web site of the Mobile Press-Register newspaper, has the names of the alleged victims blacked out. The newest and initial indictments reference Thomas allegedly forcing victims to expose their buttocks and striking them with a belt or paddle.
During Thomas' judgeship, he had a storage room furnished like an office near his eighth-floor chamber at Mobile's Government Plaza, the Press-Register said. Several criminal defendants have alleged, in affidavits and in court, that Thomas asked to paddle their buttocks in the room, and some said he suggested sexual encounters there, according to the newspaper.
Citing a state forensics report, the newspaper reported in April that a semen stain found on carpeting in the room matched one of the nine alleged victims from the first indictment.
All Mobile County circuit judges recused themselves from Thomas' case, a standard move in cases involving another judge, Tyson said. The Alabama Supreme Court appointed retired Marengo County Judge Claud Neilson to hear the case.
On March 9, another Mobile County circuit judge barred Thomas from his courtroom. Judge Joseph S. "Rusty" Johnston wrote in an order that during Thomas' tenure on the bench, he "used his office to threaten criminal defendants with jail time, penitentiary time and probation revocations if they did not engage in sexual acts with him."
Johnston attached to the order, under seal, a disk "containing the interviews of 3 criminal defendants who were subjected to the treatment described above," the order said.
Clark appealed Johnston's order to the Alabama Supreme Court. In April, the court refused to overturn Johnston's order, according to WKRG. Also in April, a panel from the Alabama State Bar's Disciplinary Commission upheld its decision to suspend Thomas' license, despite his denying under oath all of the allegations in the initial indictment, the network reported.
BrendaStar, I for one hope you do continue on spreading the word and getting people interested and reading about 9/11. I think it is a very viable subject and hope you do not stop.
I am off to work, hopefully tomorrow will bring about more time to relax and chat.
Freak,
I must say in all honesty...
That I did jump on you rather quickly and I did NOT read your post correctly. I was scrolling UP on my phone and "assumed" the entire post was directed towards me, when in fact it was not. I did not notice until this morning that the last paragraph was for me and that you started out speaking to this Mike. So, I do sincerely apoligize for that, freak.
However, with that being said though... I can not honestly retract my other posts that followed bc they are true to how I sincerely feel.
At the time I did feel partially responsible when that whole mess bw nag and boogie got out of control or started. My intent was only to be playful and comical when boogie and I were talking to mike. I believed boogie and I to be only JOKING around about Nagarjuna. Never was it my intent to seriously accuse or instigate strife.
But that is why I later posted my reasons for not SERIOUSLY believing the accusations directed towards Nagarjuna...to clear things up on my end.
So in any way, shape or form that I have perpetuated strife...I do sincerely apoligize to anybody it has touched. I will be much more careful with my comical nature hence forth.
Good morning everyone. I do not work today again. Hope everyone is doing well.
Good morning, Denise. I hope your family is feeling better and that you are doing well.
I don't expect to be on here much today but will try to look in from time to time.
Have a great day.
"Sex Offenders really are around every corner - when you least expect it"
If this is true, why do you suppose it is? Why are there so many adults out there who want to have sex with young children and act out that desire? Given the publicity that child molestation cases receive nowadays, society's unforgiving hatefulness toward it and its perpetrators, and the harsh sentences that are imposed for it, why do so many adults go ahead and do it anyway? And what can we as individuals and as a civilized society do to stop it or, at least, make it significantly less prevalent?
Easwaran's Thought for the Day:
October 8
Just as a flower gives out its fragrance to whomsoever approaches or uses it, so love from within us radiates towards everybody and manifests as spontaneous service.
– Swami Ramdas
Many of us find it difficult to be compassionate towards other people for the simple reason that most of our sensitivity is directed towards ourselves. The less we dwell on ourselves, the more our sensitivity will open out to the needs and feelings of others.
Every time you hurt someone and then grieve inside because of it, you are attending a valuable seminar on sensitivity. It is a seminar at the deepest and most personal level, the experiential, and it is infinitely more effective than anything we can attend for college credit. The credit comes to us directly, when we change our behavior and don’t hurt people again. “Everybody’s feelings can be hurt,” we realize, “just like my own. I have to take others’ feelings into consideration in what I do.”
--Eknath Easwaran
Words of Wisdom
"According to the Buddha's teachings, the most basic condition for happiness is freedom. Here we do not mean political freedom, but freedom from the mental formations of anger, despair, jealousy and delusion. These mental formations are described by the Buddha as poisons. As long as these poisons are still in our heart, happiness can not be possible.
In order to be free from anger, we have to practice, whether we are Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu or Jewish. We cannot ask the Buddha, Jesus, God or Mohammed to take anger out of our hearts for us. There are concrete instructions on how to transform the craving, anger and confusion within us. If we follow these instructions and learn to take good care of our suffering, we can help others do the same."
--Thich Nhat Hanh
YouAreSuchAFreak,
Thank you for that story on that judge wow.
and thank you for your support also on 9/11 it is appreciated very much. I wont ever stop talking about it. I promise.. :)
Yay a day off for you freak :) Poor Boogie needs a day off now too.. :)
Nagarjuna,
I hope you slept good didnt see that you said good night to me.
Nagarjuna,
I am not into conspiracy theories these things are really happening we as Americans are conditioned to not open your eyes.... that's the truth.. I am speaking the truth. I am not clouded, and my judgment is not impaired. I am not seeing one thing or aspect and viewing that as is in fact it is many things out together... Its real easy for someone to say "Conspiracy theories" when you have no History and or knowledge to back up those statements.. If you knew history at all youd know that there is truth in what I am saying.
Hi Brenda. Actually, I did say goodnight to you last night. :-) I slept pretty well, but I got to bed late and woke up early.
My mother is now in South Lake Tahoe. I have to drive the rest of her things to her soon, as she left quickly to attend her brother's funeral and couldn't take all of her things with her. She wants her things soon, but I think she has to wait until the weather is better. I am not looking forward to the 2 day drive.
denise,
The weather is good now but it wont be for long.. lol.. its supposed to be in mid 60's for the week but 20's at night FYI. Road trip :)
Nagarjuna,
I know you did I was saying that i didtn see that before I went to sleep :) thank you for wishing me a good nights rest.. Im glad you slept okay sorry that you woke up early.. I did the same today...
Brenda, I believe that you believe in these theories you've been espousing. But I do not. I don't dismiss them outright, but I'm exceedingly skeptical of them. As cynical as I am of government and politics and especially of the Bush administration, which I despised, I do not believe that they played a role, other than one of negligent incompetence, in the 9/11 attacks. You can throw all kinds of alleged "facts" at me designed to prove otherwise, just as UFO people can do the same to supposedly prove ET visitations. But that doesn't mean they stand up to good, solid investigation.
I do believe that if the theories you espouse were true, there would be more people espousing them than are, including some very respected investigative journalists or social critics like, say, Noam Chomsky. These guys aren't going to be deterred by the government or big money from saying their piece. The worst that would happen to them would be that the nefarious powers-that-be would try to marginalize them the way theydoes with anyone who exposes wrongdoing.
Now, again, Brenda, I'm not categorically dismissing your theories; I just happen not to find them compelling enough to spend months or years of my life looking into them any more than I would do the same with UFO or Big Foot claims. I hope you don't take offense at this, as no offense is intended.
Nagarjuna,
Comparing what I am saying and my facts to UFO sightings by people IS ABSOLUTELY ludicrous!!!!
See this what is wrong with this picture you say that you dont downplay what I am to be truthful; yet you compare me and this to UFO watchers!
IF you HAD researched this you would know that there are thousands of people that are on to this and that there are way more people aware of this then you think. Yo say its not that many but you are very wrong in that statement. As you want educated people also that are a part of this that you think arent. well I have couple groups you could and should look into:
* Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth
* Firefighters for 9/11 Truth
* Lawyers for 9/11 Truth
* Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth
* Patriots Question 9/11
* Religious Leaders for 9/11 Truth
* Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice
* Scientists - Journal of 9/11 Studies
* Researchers - Complete 911 Timeline
these are all seperate groups dedicated to this cause as well as thousands more so you tell me again that there arent a lot of people that believe in this! In fact people ALL over the world believe that this happened the Americans are the only ones that refuse to see what is going on because you have so much damn pride and stupidity to think this is actually occurring. When its slapping you in your face. You can not even compare my facts to alien abductors information they have collected that is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever heard. I am sorry.
You continue to speak of something that you know nothing about and also you wont even try to research it or learn yourself anything that I am saying... You are so stuck in your own ways and thoughts that you my friend are the one that is making this unimaginable in your head and you should take you won advice because it think that you are so stuck in apposing what I am saying then actually looking into it your self it seems to be that you are the one that is not wieging both sides and once again your only willing to listen to one side whci shows to me your the one that is closed off yet claims to be so OPEN!!
and relating this to UFO's and bigfoot sightings is offensive to me this is your country!!!! and you dare compare this to that!!! There IS NO Comparison! Your talking about our country vs, bigfoot sightings how ridiculous does that sound to you???
and the mere fact you keep saying it doesnt interest you!!! is crazy to me!!! Hoe could this not interest you.. Yet like I pointed out before youd rather talk about stupid david lettermans being blackmailed and if thats a crime or not.. OF COURSE ITS A CRIME!
but this means nothing to you! Your constitution and America mean nothing to you and the topic doesnt interest you!! hmmm... okay.. have it your way.. you stay in your pink comfortable bubble and you keep relating this in your head to UFO sightings and bigfoot.
Nag,
Excellent thought and wisdom for the day. Very, very beautiful and true.
Nag,
Freak and Boogie are pointing that out to you whether you see it or you dont on that aspect they are trying to say also educate yourself about then talk about it..
but you wont because it doesnt interest you and its as relevant to you as Bigfoot sightings... which to me is very sad..
who would have to tell you in order for you to be convinced it was real? The news (sad) a politician (sad)
youll be waiting long time for that because that wont happen..
did you know that since our government took over our schooling that our education level has declined every year in America we are the third dumbest nation!!! you think this is purely coincidental.. they dont want you educated Nag and you seem to be a perfect carbon copy of a citizen that is programmed and ready to do what ever they say!!! Authority is NOT truth!
"If only we could pull out our brain and use only our eyes."
Pablo Picasso
"Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little falls into lazy habits of thinking" Albert Einstein
"We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if mankind is to survive." Albert Einstein
"You must constantly ask yourself these questions: Who am I around? What are they doing to me? What have they got me reading? What have they got me saying? Where do they have me going? What do they have me thinking? And most important, what do they have me becoming? Then ask yourself the big question: Is that okay? Your life does not get better by chance, it gets better by change."
Jim Rohn
my positive quotes for the day!!!
Brenda, yes, blackmail is a crime. But my question is, WHY SHOULD IT BE A CRIME? You may think this a trivial question not worthy of a blogpost. But I respectfully disagree, and I've explained both here and on my blog why I think it's a question worth considering.
How old are you Boogie? Just curious.. and you too Freak? If youd like to tell me if not thats okay too :)
I wish Samantha did not leave :( or I was able to get her e mail before she did..
Tara,
Are you out there?
Nagarjuna,
that is not my point. My point is you say this doesnt interest you, but that does and that doesnt make sense to me. That is my point.. Im not picking on you but seriously do you not see any relevance in what I am saying, and not the 911 stuff but just in general? You say to listen to both sides yet you lack to do this yourself?! I dont understand.. and that to me is stating to do something that you do not even do yourself. You wont even look into it and do the same you are already set in your ways about the subject which is not being very open is it? Im pointing out to you exactly what you are telling me to do!
But you justify not looking into it by putting in the same category as UFO's and Bigfoot which is just not a true statement and I have to say that. Its in a different ball park completely you are just viewing it as a conspiracy so you refuse to look out side the box and look at different things then make an educated judgment after that. See exactly what you tell me to do.. and I do so why cant you?
Brenda, as I've already said, I don't dismiss your conspiracy claims outright. In fact, as a result of our discussion, I will keep my eyes and ears more open to evidence and arguments concerning the issue than I would have before. I may even look into some of the groups you cited as espousing these claims in order to try to determine if they have any credibility. But I have no intentions at the present time of devoting tens or hundreds of hours delving into the matter unless and until I think I have more reason to do it than what you've posted here.
You take umbrage at my comparing your conspiracy claims to claims of government coverups of UFO sightings and close encounters with ET's. Yet, I think the comparison may be more apt than you credit it with being. First of all, if these UFO claims are correct and we really are being visited by ET's of sufficiently advanced technology to travel here from other star systems or even galaxies or universes, this could be far, far more significant for the future of our planet and species than your 9/11 claims, even if your claims are true. Second, I'm sure you will find all kinds of groups backing these UFO claims, just as you cite groups backing your conspiracy claims, and you'll find articulate spokespeople for these UFO claims weaving together all kinds of so-called "facts" and arguments making what appears, to the inexpert ear and eye, a credible case for these claims. However, this doesn't mean that they pass the test of expert investigation and analysis that people such as myself are not readily qualified to render.
So, yes, when I hear claims such as those you're been presenting, I look for respected scientists, journalists, and other people qualified to evaluate those claims to back what you say before I take the plunge into full scale investigation of those claims myself, just as I place considerable trust in computer experts or scientists for evaluations of claims regarding computers and science.
I don't think there's anything unreasonable or irresponsible about that.
Brenda, before I take my leave for most if not all of the rest of the day, I'd like to ask you to do something for those of us who are skeptical of your 9/11 claims.
Would you be so kind as to summarize the essential points of your claims, not with reams of copied and pasted material from elsewhere or an overwhelming plethora of alleged "facts" supporting your claims. Instead, could you simply lay out an outline of who you think was responsible for 9/11, what you believe their motives were, who the most credible people are who espouse your beliefs, and places you'd recommend that we go to for thorough, IMPARTIAL evaluations of your conspiracy claims?
I believe this might be helpful in my consideration of whether to devote any time and effort to investigating the claims in question.
Brenda, my dear, please let me clarify something. I have said that our investigations of controversial claims should be as impartial as possible, thoroughly considering tbe best arguments and evidence presented by ALL sides and not just considering one side's position and straw man representations that THEY set up and knock down from other sides. But this is once one has found sufficient reason to launch into detailed investigation in the first place. I'm not advocating that one do this with every controversial or government conspiracy claim that comes down the proverbial pike.
So, I don't think I'm being inconsistent in terms of not living up to my own good advice.
Nagarjuna,
Okay so I ask you this then you said:
"So, yes, when I hear claims such as those you're been presenting, I look for respected scientists, journalists, and other people qualified to evaluate those claims to back what you say before I take the plunge into full scale investigation of those claims myself, just as I place considerable trust in computer experts or scientists for evaluations of claims regarding computers and science."
Okay then I challenge you to this!!! You said it so I challenge you Nag but if this is what you say to be true then i have given you:
1.) Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth
link to page:http://www.ae911truth.org/
2.)Lawyers for 9/11 Truth
link to page:http://l911t.com/
3.)Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth
link to page:http://mp911truth.org/
4.)Scientists - Journal of 9/11 Studies
link to page:http://www.journalof911studies.com/
5.)Researchers - Complete 911 Timeline
link to page:http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project
and a couple others as well just to start out. I think I have already given you enough specialist to TAKE THE PLUNGE as you put it and these are your exact words. So still with all of this looking you in the face you still do not take the plunge. Because you refuse to see what is in front of you. I still feel you are being hypocritical and I truly hope that you look within your heart to realize that, and take that plunge... if you need "specialist" proof there it is.. look it up. I even gave you a road map which is a lot more then others would do. But its there for you to read and and its viable people with viable amounts of information.... its not a bunch of radicals and anarchist and crazy activist that think this way.... If that is all you needed to take the plunge then you should have done so about 500 comments ago..as you were given these facts then and chose again to look away and pass judgment from preconceived notions of how things are and what is without have done the research to know any better... you didnt take that plunge when given the information that you say is all you need to take the plunge. Your being hypocritical and I wish you could take a look at that.
Thank you for the links, Brenda.
Noam Chomsky on 9/11 conspiracy theories: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwZ-vIaW6Bc&feature=related
Nagarjuna,
I have over and over again said in my own words how I feel why and gave a huge response to Coonhound in my own words that laid it out for you as well as many other comments in my own words I have explained why I feel the way I do. THEN I have given links for people to research.
Dont act like I have sat here and just posted links to things and not explained things I have... or just said go here go there I have explained things and I have given you places to go I have done both and am very confident in that. I have given information as to the banking system the revolution how the central bank operates past presidents as well as current presidents and information detailing that I have basically given a history seminar here. I think you need to go back and re read my comments instead of blowing them off as conspiracy crap.. Shit if you want any more information you can start to pay me for a history lesson.. and im serious about that. I haven copied and pasted everything I have written... Maybe you could give us more information other then copying words form a Buddhist book as I have one around here somwhere too and would be just as easy to copy the thought for the day! you have no idea why these groups started and how they formed and who are involved or anything.. your a hypocrite and that is that! I am not summarizing anything you go back and read and educate yourself pick up a couple history books about our monetary system , and the revolution while your at it and you start to educate yourself on history. I have said enough to you and given you enough of my time and energy and information that I have learned MYSELF and exlained it to you all publically. I think that is why Boogie and Freak and Samantha and many others have no idea why you are still saying that I am not being educated in my words.. and need to look at both sides.. You have no idea i think how hypocritical you sound.. I stopped explaining things to Denise in detail when she told me she didnt know who Sarah Palin was.. but I continued in my persuit Coonhound asked me very educated questions and others and I answered them.. in my own words.. then gave links and information after the fact..
you are the one that blew the information and knowledge off as a conspiracy theory... you made a prejudgment on the information you were given and chose to blow it off as crap and that is not my fault you go back and re read my comments I dont need to explain anything more to you. You have brain right? So use it!
Hello everyone! I'm happy to see the blog is still alive and kicking. Would someone be so kind as to give me a brief summary of the last thousand or so posts? (Just kidding!)
I had a great time at the beach. And, Denise, we had plenty of sun. It was lovely.
I fly home tonight, so I am still not back at my own computer. Posting will be sparse!
Brenda, I have not "blown off" your conspiracy claims. I'm just looking for more compelling reason to investigate them than I believe I have right now. I agree with Noam Chomsky in the video to which I posted the link that it seems all but impossible to me that revelations of this alleged conspiracy wouldn't have leaked out somehow and gotten into the hands of capable, credible investigators, and that there wouldn't have been a veritable fecal storm resulting from it.
Still, I'll probably spend some time that I wouldn't have otherwise looking into the matter more. I trust you will do the same with the UFO government coverup theories to which I alluded. :-)
Gotta go now and run some errands.
Take care, Brenda and everyone else.
Very nice to see you, Goblinbee. I look forward to seeing more of you soon.
Hi Nagarjuna! It's amazing that coming back here feels like I'm returning to old friends. I didn't know any of you a month ago!
One more thing before I take my leave, Brenda. Suppose, for the sake of argument, that what you believe about 9/11 is true. What do you think should be done about it, and what do you think has a realistic chance of being done about it?
You're pouring all this time and energy into your research. But what good do you expect to result from it? I'm not asking what COULD result from it in some wonder world of your imagination. But what do you expect WILL happen as a result of your research?
Bye for now.
Funny how that can happen on the Internet, Goblinbee. :-)
goblinbee,
Hi!!!! Missed ya :) Hope you had a great time.
Nagarjuna,
I hope that it results in people like you waking up to what is really going on! then helping change it for us and for the better.. I promote healthy, educated, non violent change which has been stated as well. I have previously stated my cause many times.
Hi BrendaStar! Yes, I managed to have a good time, even with my dysfunctional family. :) We have been going beach camping since I was seven -- 45 years!
wow Goblinbee thats awesome thats along time :) i love to camp i do it often in the summer time. well darn glad your back :)
*H*E*L*L*O
G*O*B*L*I*N*B*E*E*!
Coonhound, yea! You're still here too!
Hi
Everyone.
I'm still around too.
Those error messages were driving me mad too, but it seems I wasn't on my own.
Back a bit later.
Goblinbee,
I have a complaint that I know you can relate too, since we have animals and gardening in common...
I need to vent it.
My male dog won't stop pee'ing on my Lavendar plants. What a little devil he is! He is barely one and all summer I have had to both buy AND make various homemade fences to keep him from doing it. But there's not enough time or money to complete this task all at once.
Errrrrrrr!
But I love him and I'll get over it! Hah!
Tara,
Hello Darling :)
Hi there Tara. Nice to see you returned.
That error code was a pain.
And it happened during a very interesting conversation on healthcarewe all were having, too! Also, I do believe a lot of our posts were deleted bc of the hang-up.
here is a story about Jaycee from a local web paper here
Dugard stepfather wonders why it took 18 years to find Jaycee
BY MARTHA BELLISLE • mbellisle@rgj.com • September 20, 2009
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Carl Probyn, step-father of the South Lake Tahoe girl kidnapped in 1991, likened the law enforcement and parole officers who oversaw the man who allegedly abducted her to the “Keystone Kops” and blasted them for failing to see three young females living in his back yard.
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“These guys should feel real guilty about taking a pay check, with what she went through for 18 years,” Probyn said today at a fund-raiser for Jaycee Lee Dugard, 29.
“It’s just unbelievable that the police and the parole officer, nobody picked this up,” he said. “He never even went into the back yard,” Probyn said of the parole officer.
“It’s sickening.”
Probyn appeared Sunday at a benefit concert attended by about 100 people at the Horizon Casino Convention Center in Stateline staged by community members to raise funds for Dugard and her two daughters fathered by her alleged kidnapper, Phillip Craig Garrido.
Garrido, and his wife Nancy, are charged with pulling Dugard into their car as she walked to the bus stop -- which Probyn witnessed -- and hid her in the back of their Antioch, Calif., home. Garrido was a registered sex offender and was on parole for the 1976 kidnapping and rape of a Reno woman.
Officials with the federal probation office have refused to discuss the case. Officials with the Antioch police department said Garrido’s home was outside their jurisdiction and was under the authority of the Contra Costa County sheriff’s department.
Jimmy Lee, spokesman for that office, said they have taken responsibility for how they handled their contact with Garrido.
“We understand how he feels,” Lee said Sunday. “Sheriff Rupf has previously publicly taken the blame for what had happened. We went to that house Nov. 30, 2006, and again in 2008 as part of a task force. Those were our two main contacts with Garrido.”
No one could be reached Sunday at the California parole office in charge of the Garrido case, but last week, El Dorado County District Attorney Vern Pierson said “very legitimate questions have been raised” regarding the handling of Garrido, which, he said he was “confident will be addressed in the proper venue and at the proper time.”
Tahoe embraces officers who broke the Dugard case
Posted by Kathryn Reed in News on October 7th, 2009 | no responses
Lisa Campbell and Ally Jacobs talk to South Tahoe residents Tuesday. Photo/Kathryn Reed
Lisa Campbell and Ally Jacobs talk to South Tahoe residents Tuesday. Photo/Kathryn Reed
By Kathryn Reed
“It’s so rare to have a happy ending.”
Those were the words of UC Berkeley police Officer Ally Jacobs as she spoke with a throng of people gathered Tuesday outside South Lake Tahoe City Council Chambers.
The council brought Jacobs and Lisa Campbell, UCPD special events manager, to town to honor them for their quick thinking that eventually led to the capture of Phillip and Nancy Garrido and the release of Jaycee Lee Dugard.
The two were humble – saying they were just doing their job.
This is the first time any city or entity has honored the two women together.
Even though their captain, Margo Bennett, said the duo is done doing interviews, the truth is they left Lake Tahoe Airport yesterday morning en route to Chicago to tape a segment with Oprah Winfrey. (Winfrey is itching to be the first to interview Dugard, the now 29-year-old who was freed from 18 years of captivity in an Antioch backyard after having being been snatched from a Meyers bus stop in 1991.)
Jacobs, 33, was in high school in Orange County (where Dugard lived before moving with her parents to the South Shore) when Dugard was kidnapped from Lake Tahoe. She didn’t know anything about the case when Garrido and two young girls walked onto the UC Berkeley campus in late August.
But Jacobs was suspicious.
“I just knew something was not right,” Jacobs said of that day. “We as women get that feeling.”
As the crowd dissipated and she had changed from her uniform to travel clothes, Jacobs said, “It’s just weird to be called a hero. It’s what I do every day.”
But she also knows the importance of her intuition and police training.
“It’s a huge case. It affects so many people,” Jacobs said.
The Garridos’ next court hearing is scheduled for Oct. 29 in El Dorado County Superior Court, Placerville
Brenda, before I leave, I have some questions for you. Did you watch the Chomsky video I linked to? If you didn't, he made two excellent points, in my estimation. First, it seems almost impossible that there wouldn't have been a leak regarding the government's involvement and an ensuing media frenzy to get and stay on top of the story. What do you say to this?
Second, it's almost impossible to absolutely prove that X happened from Y cause and not Z cause or vice versa. For instance, we may not be able to know absolutely for sure that the planes were solely responsible for the destruction of the 9/11 buildings. So, it's possible to come up with various possibilities to explain a phenomenon or event, and we can't absolutely prove or disprove any of them. So, if you believe a conspiracy theory, you can string together all the possible explanations that support your theory and Voila! there's your "proof." But it's just as likely, if not more so, that there are alternative true explanations for what happened that discredit the theory. For instance, surely there are respected and credible mechanical engineers, physicists, and so forth who have meticulously reviewed the evidence and said that, in their best analysis, all of the destruction of 9/11 can be suitably explained by the impact and burning of the planes themselves and that no additional assistance was required by well-placed explosives by U.S.government agents. How would you respond to this point, Brenda?
I'll look at your response later.
Jaycee Lee Dugard and rape trauma syndrome
Posted by Kathryn Reed in Voices on September 10th, 2009 | no responses
Anna RichterBy Anna K. Richter
South Lake Tahoe Women’s Center’s board, staff and volunteers were thrilled to hear the news that Jaycee Lee Dugard was alive, and our hearts went out to her the instant we learned she had young girls, ages 15 and 11. Doing the math, we recognized instantly that Jaycee Lee had been sexually assaulted. We spoke together as a staff about what she and her daughters and family are likely to go through along the road to healing.
The Department of Justice reports that a woman is raped in our country every 2 minutes. Since rape is one of the crimes least likely to be reported to law enforcement, it is likely happening more often.
We can only speculate on the details of what happened to Jaycee Lee over the past 18 years, but survivors of sexual assault often experience what is called Rape Trauma Syndrome. The progression from the first stage, the acute stage, to the adjustment and normalization stages can take years.
Considering the unique circumstances of Jaycee Lee’s isolation and the extremely high level of mental manipulation that may have been used as a tool by her alleged abuser, it is likely she may have only just begun to understand the level of emotional, physical, sexual and psychological abuse she has endured. It may be a while until she can grasp the depth of what she has been through.
The trial will expose the details, and the trial itself is likely to be extremely emotionally and physically taxing, draining and painful for Jaycee, her daughters, and their support system. On top of the trauma of the past 18 years, Jaycee will face the horror of having these experiences as a part of public record — deeply personal accounts of the abuse are likely to reach the public, and the shame, guilt and self-blame she may feel will likely be amplified by this public exposure.
Every survivor’s experience is different, but just after the assault, the acute stage of Rape Trauma Syndrome can last from a few days to several weeks or more. Survivors often experience emotional shock, wonder how the assault could have happened, and express things like, “I feel so numb, why can’t I cry” or feel shame, self-blame and guilt. They may experience paralyzing anxiety, anger, and even dulled sensory and memory functioning. They may also react with hysteria, or even hypervigilance and experience exhaustion that often accompanies it.
After the initial shock and numbness, victims often move to what is called the adjustment stage, which can last for years. In this stage, victims face many challenges because the outside world expects them to resume their normal lives, but they suffer from a host of emotional and even physiological responses to the abuse they suffered. They may experience depression, feelings of powerlessness, anxiety, mood swings, flashbacks, insomnia, headaches, pain, suppressed or ravenous appetite, and extreme distrust. They may sometimes also withdraw from friends and family and have a difficult time resuming daily life activities, or may actively work to suppress any and all thoughts of the assault from consciousness, trying to blot it out completely.
Phobias sometimes develop, such as a fear of being alone or fears related to the characteristics of the assailant like curly hair, the smell of alcohol or cigarettes, a type of car, paranoia about strangers, or even a global fear of others.
It may seem counterintuitive, but some survivors will try to push others away. Survivors will need unwavering support, flexibility and understanding from friends and family at this time.
In Jaycee Lee’s case, her support system will be invaluable as she works to integrate her history into her life and begins to move on to a new life, one that she has the power to define for herself.
The final stage of Rape Trauma Syndrome, the normalization stage, can take many years for a survivor to reach. At this time, the victim integrates the event into his or her life history; the physical and physiological reactions to the assault no longer control daily experiences.
Survivors acknowledge the guilt and shame they feel but let go of feelings of self-blame — they have learned the tools they need to regain a sense of control and power over their lives.
It is our hope at South Lake Tahoe Women’s Center that Jaycee Lee Dugard will have access to the very best support from friends, family, and professional counselors and programs to find ways to begin to heal from this experience. While it may seem like healing from such trauma is impossible, we must remember the incredible strength and courage that it took for her to survive the past 18 years.
Jaycee Lee Dugard is a survivor, and with time, and the support of her loved ones and her community, she will heal from what she has endured.
Anna K. Richter is development director at South Lake Tahoe Women’s Center.
Kidnapping’s ripple effect
Posted by Kathryn Reed in News on September 7th, 2009 | 2 responses
By Kathryn Reed
“Carl (Probyn) showed up at my door that morning. He came running up the steps, busting through the door, not even knocking. He was in a flipping state of panic. He said, ‘Someone grabbed my daughter’.”
Soon thereafter law enforcement questioned Peggy Lynn about that fateful day that changed the lives of so many on the South Shore of Lake Tahoe.
Lynn was running a small day care out of her home at the time. Shayna, Carl and Terry Probyn’s 18-month-old daughter, was one of her charges.
“The FBI came and interviewed me because (Carl) was apparently a suspect. I said you don’t have that look upon your face when you are a suspect. It was indescribable how much he was upset,” Lynn said.
For one interview with FBI agents the Meyers resident was hypnotized. She helped create a composite sketch of the suspects. She could do this because she had seen them days before Jaycee Lee Dugard, then 11, was kidnapped on June 10, 1991.
Lynn says the people she remembers look like Phillip and Nancy Garrido – the couple charged in the Dugard kidnapping.
She said the vehicle was out of place for her quiet neighborhood because only cars that belong there or people who are lost come down the street.
“They swung over to my side and slowed way down. This creepy guy in the driver’s seat stared at me and my (18-month-old) daughter. It was very unnerving to me,” Lynn said. “The person in the passenger side I didn’t get a look at the face, but (she) had long straight black hair.”
Lynn watched Shayna for just a little while longer before the Probyns wanted their daughter with them at all times – especially since they were not working.
Leave of absence
Terry Probyn interviewed for a job at the South Lake Tahoe office of the El Dorado County Public Health Department on one week, her daughter was kidnapped the next.
“We didn’t see Terry for six months. I just held the position open,” said Valerie Rudd, who was running the office at the time.
Probyn had been hired to be a medical office assistant. When she did begin work, a bit of awkwardness ensued as colleagues didn’t know quite what to say or how to act.
“Everyone learned to respect her and be supportive in their own way,” Rudd said.
Rudd describes Probyn as smart, composed and able to handle stress.
“I wasn’t surprised to hear Jaycee was running (Garrido’s printing) business because her mom was like that – if someone needed something, Terry would do it,” Rudd said.
Working in captivity
Mary Schwaab never met Allissa, as Jaycee Lee Dugard was called by the people she lived with for the last 18 years, but she did have interactions with the Garridos.
“He was always a wacko. We just thought he was a religious freak. He talked about starting his own church,” Schwaab said.
Schwaab, who lives in the East Bay of San Francisco, said for six years Garrido printed business cards and flyers for her office.
Sometimes Garrido delivered the paper products to the office, other times Schwaab went to his house. She never went inside.
“From the outside of the house it was hard to know what was going on,” Schwaab said.
She said she was shocked like everyone else to find out about the reported horrors that had been going on in the backyard of the Antioch house for nearly two decades.
Flyers posted in Bay Area
Kirsten Rankins had just moved to Lake Tahoe from Concord when the Dugard kidnapping occurred. She was making regular trips between the two cities because of her son.
She took flyers all over the area – which is right next to Antioch, the town where the Garridos reportedly held Dugard captive for 18 years.
“I had flyers of her in the back of my Bronco in my windows as I drove around Concord,” Rankins said. “People up here said if you are leaving the basin, please take flyers with you and take them wherever you go.”
The flyers had sketches of the suspects.
“I can’t believe she was found right there. There were pictures of her in that area,” Rankins said.
Questions about Carl
Carl Probyn has been the loudest, most prolific speaker on the media circuit since his stepdaughter’s release from captivity on Aug. 26.
“I don’t think he is the best spokesperson because (the Probyns) have been separated so long,” said Anna Richter, development director with the South Lake Tahoe Women’s Center. “I think there may be a little bit of capitalization on this.”
The Probyns live in Southern California, but have not done so as a couple for years even though they are not formally divorced.
Carl Probyn on Sept. 5 returned to the street where Jaycee Lee was last seen so a foreign television crew could interview him. He’s made the rounds to the New York studios. He showed up at the end of the Sept. 6 ceremony at South Tahoe Middle School that was for the South Shore community to come together to celebrate the release of Jaycee Lee.
Probyn was initially a suspect, which is common in cases like this. Plus, he witnessed the abduction and was the one to dial 911.
Even though no one is pointing fingers his way anymore, some say his actions indicate he has lost the focus – which they say is Jaycee Lee is alive, not that he has been vindicated.
Others are just as adamant that his behavior is normal for a man who has figuratively lived with a scarlet letter upon his lapel. They say he was wronged.
Tina Dugard, Terry Probyn’s sister, started speaking out on behalf of the family so another voice would be heard.
“We spent time sharing memories and stories and getting to know each other again. Jaycee remembers all of us,” Tina Dugard said during a televised press conference at the FBI office in Los Angeles on Sept. 3.
Time to heal
Richter, with the Women’s Center, said the family has a long road to recovery.
Trust is likely to be a big issue for Jaycee Lee, who is now 29, and her daughters. Reports are that the 11- and 15-year-old didn’t know Jaycee Lee was their mother. This means both parents have not been truthful with them.
“I think Jaycee’s daughters have the most challenges. They have limited experience to the real world,” Richter said. “They essentially have been lied to by the person who held them captive and Jaycee had to go along with it for survival.”
Anxiety, guilt, self-blame and depression are emotions the entire Probyn-Dugard clan is likely to experience now and for years to come.
“I do think it’s natural and normal for any parent to wonder what they could have done differently,” Richter said.
The family has been getting professional help to aid in coping with the last 18 years, and with what the future may hold. Jaycee Lee and her daughters did not go to school nor did they see a doctor while being stashed away in squalor.
“We need to look at (Jaycee Lee) as a hero of strength and courage. She will make the transition from victim to survivor,” Richter said.
Thanks for that update BrendaStar.
I do hope the Dugard family is never burdened with the need of money...Terry, to jC and the two girls!! And that jc and her daughters are given all reasonable oppurtunities to pursue what it is they love to do.
Hi Tara! Long time no hear.
Who else of the old gang is still around?
Coonhound, good luck with your puppy!
Nagarjuna,
Its a scientific fact that jet fuel does not burn hot enough to MELT STEEL its a fact! Again you have NO idea what your talking about. Yes I watched your video... I feel like you are a sheep ready to be hearded!!! thats my honest opinion! You speak of NO scientific anything! research that Nag. You have no idea what your speaking about.. NONE! nice of you too to post the first vid. you could find on the oppostion like I havnt researched any of this..
Then you fight so ignorantly for that side becuase you watched one you tube vid. on how the information could not have leaked.. give me a break our tv is ran by the government that is why it didn't leak to me that's a basic question that deserves a basic answer and that's it. no conspiracy's nothing to prove ITS A FACT! You are just so ignorant to believe everything your shown, Obviously. Not to realize its all being regulated. Do your research on who owns our TV stations and media outlets.. then it might all click for you in your head..seriously you speak of the opposition so feircly yet you havnt even researched the other side.. That is not knowing anything about a subject at all. You are spewing what you have been told and that to me is not your won thoughts and is not your own opionion just something you based off a youtube video.. I have looked at facts you dont... realize it.. your still being a hypocrite to not even look into the other side and you are still telling me to do something you lack to do which entitles 0 respect from me in regards to this topic.. your being one sided and you dont even see it and or care.. Fight for your side that you have no knowledge about what the other side represents.... smart!
Nag
Do you really seriously believe that our governments aren’t capable of and are involved in “cover-up’s” ?
Do you really believe all that the main stream media tells you, without question ?
You commented to Brenda earlier
“First, it seems almost impossible that there wouldn't have been a leak regarding the government's involvement and an ensuing media frenzy to get and stay on top of the story. What do you say to this? “
Our media in the UK is also “gagged” whenever it suits the government.
On the subject of the Iraq war, what actually happened to Dr David Kelly ?
Many respected people in the UK are trying to find out the truth.
Whistleblowers in the UK have been known to suddenly die in questionable circumstances.
The following article may give you an insight to the case, concerning a book written by a person who could not exactly be described as a crank and is based on legitimate medical opinions and other information.
Couple of extracts
“The highly-respected MP's personal quest to uncover the truth about Dr Kelly's death was prompted by deep concerns over the circumstances surrounding the apparent suicide.”
“He - and a group of eminent doctors - were greatly troubled by the evidence presented to Lord Hutton”
“The MP suggests that the police may have tried to make the killing appear to be a suicide "in the interests of Queen and country" and to prevent any destabilisation of the sensitive relationship between the Allies and Iraq.
“Mr Baker adds: "It is all too easy to dismiss so-called conspiracy theories. But history shows us that conspiracies do happen - and that suicide can be staged to cover murderers' tracks.
"All the evidence leads me to believe that this is what happened in the case of Dr Kelly."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488662/Iraq-whistleblower-Dr-Kelly-WAS-murdered-silence-says-MP.html
And nag, before you ask me for my personal opinion on this case, I don’t have one simply because I have not done enough detailed research to enable me to form one, based on ALL the information available.
But I do know that enough questions have been raised to question our Governments version of events.
Mike
You said earlier, regarding Madeleine McCann
“Some people cannot see the truth, even if it is right in front of their faces.
I look into the eyes of Madeleine's parents and can see the pain. Many people just want to believe the garbage (or 'rubbish' as we say over here) that they are fed by the internet”
So you see the “pain” .Would not the “pain” be the same whether Madeleine is missing or dead ? How can you tell the difference ?
You have said yourself the only info on the case you have is from the main stream media.
In that case, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Tara, why is the mainstream media not to be believed?
Have you ever had an alien encounter?
Tara,
You will like this movie i is good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28tE0fKpISM
i meant "it" is good :)
Mike
It's what the main stream media DON'T tell you that you should be worried about.
Tara, are people keeping information from you?
Is the world you see on the news all just a big front for a plan by the American president to keep the truth from you?
I'll say it again. People believe what they want to believe and you clearly are the living proof of that.
I tell you what I am worried about Tara - hunger, disease, intolerance and the threat of World War III.
Or am I just brain-washed? Does the mainstream media want to hide the fact that Madeleine McCann's parents killed her and the authorities are all conspiring to keep it from me by feeding me fake news stories?
No Tara.
Find a positive outlet for your energies. This is all fantasy and the province of teenage imagination.
Mike,
"I tell you what I am worried about Tara - hunger, disease, intolerance and the threat of World War III."
I tell you what we are worried about the same thing! As to why we believe what we believe also. The sad thing is is that people don't realize what is happening around them and that is true. Shes channeling her energy fine..
Denise, you wrote: "Its a scientific fact that jet fuel does not burn hot enough to MELT STEEL its a fact!"
"Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength — and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."
"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat." (Popular Mechanics)
Brenda, do you really mean to tell me that NO acknowledged experts in this area agree with the passage above and that it's as cut and dried as you suggest that those planes couldn't have caused the destruction by themselves?
(Please see Part 2)
(Part 2)
You wrote: "You speak of NO scientific anything! research that Nag. You have no idea what your speaking about...you fight so ignorantly for that side becuase you watched one you tube vid. on how the information could not have leaked.. "
Brenda, I am not "fighting" for any side. I'm trying to respectfully explain to you why I'm skeptical enough about your conspiracy claims that I'm not going to plunge into a heavy duty investigation of them at this time. Will I look into them more than I have? Probably. But I doubt that I'll be conducting a full-scale, pedal to the metal exploration anytime soon, unless I uncover something in my preliminary investigations that prompts me to look further. And please understand something, Brenda. I didn't cite the Chomsky video as "proof" that your claims are false. I cited it as one place to go for arguments presented by an astoundingly brilliant and knowledgeable critic of the U.S government about why there is good reason to be skeptical of these conspiracy claims. His arguments are the arguments I've already presented for being skeptical.
If it's possible for you to do so, I ask you to stop lambasting me long enough to put yourself in my place for a moment. I came to this blog to discuss Garrido, crime and suitable punishment, criminal responsibility, and related matters. When you started bringing up 9/11, I didn't pay much attention, because I was focused on other matters and I was rightfully skeptical (but not completely dismissive) of your claims for the excellent reasons I've already provided. One doesn't need to have "scientific anything" to be as legitimately skeptical as I am.
Does that mean that I am absolutely convinced that our government couldn't perpetrate this kind of thing and then cover it up for eight years? No, Brenda and Tara, I'm not. Am I convinced enough of the unlikelihood of it not to spend the next umpteen hours looking into it? Yes. Does this mean that I'm rejecting your claims as impossible? No. But I am no more inclined to investigate every controversial claim that might be possible but seems very unlikely as you presumably are. Are YOU willing to devote countless hours to investigating claims for ET visitations? Probably not. Why? Because, even though you can't rule them out completely, you probably haven't seen enough cause to look into them. But if some key scientists or journalists you respected provided that reason, you might look deeper.
You wrote: "You are just so ignorant to believe everything your shown,"
Not true. If it were, I'd reflexively believe YOU, and I don't. I don't believe everything the media says either, especially the corporate controlled MSM. But I find it awfully difficult to believe that with all the media and Internet sources we have, the government could have been involved in 9/11 in the ways you suggest and that everyone privy to this complex operation would have kept or been kept completely silent about it for the past eight years, and that if the facts are as "obvious" as you say that the planes couldn't have done all that damage themselves, there hasn't been a prominent outcry from a larger number of credible experts to that effect. I just don't believe that all television, radio, print, and cyber media are under THAT degree of governmental or corporate control.
"I tell you what we are worried about the same thing! As to why we believe what we believe also. The sad thing is is that people don't realize what is happening around them and that is true. Shes channeling her energy fine.."
Brenda, you use the word 'we' like you all believe the same thing, like a weird sect of conspiracy theorist groupies. You have watched poorly made and quite paranoid You Tube videos and read dodgy blogs and web-sites posted by spotty teenage school children after they've finished their homework and you are suckered.
I think it's a bit sad that you mistrust the wide world about you so much.
Nagarjuna,
Then you would have seen bent over giant steel rods and you did not and the twin towers had a steel core also lets not forget that and if this is the case the building would have folded over not pancaked and the sub floor basement would not have been demolished and imploded before the plane even hit the building! You still do not have enough facts but i do if this is the case then why did they both fall at free fall speed? Answer this next one and we will debate on.. and as to why there is huge cloud of smoke in videos of the twin towers that day coming from the sub floor basement before the plane even hit the tower? seconds before? This is documented by people that witnessed the towers fall that day and recorded it and one person who has sent in tapes and has become a aprt of several documentary records a shock wave that shook the camera before the plane even hit the building then you see smoke coming from the sub floor basement which firefighters have reported it being completely blown out windows everything the entire sub floor basement and the lobby!! The the plane hits explain that? In order to make a pancake fall like that you would of had to blow out the sub floor basement to do it.. and what about building 7? that fell at 5pm with no plane hitting it whatsoever?
Mike
If you cared the slightest bit as to how the world will be for your children in the future, when you are no longer around to see it, you would climb out of your narrow minded shell and yes, actually look at what is happening in the world around you now.
Mike,
I think its a bit sad how you have conformed and stopped thinking for yourself! Your sense of truth is warped and I am sorry you are so blind!
"I think it's a bit sad that you mistrust the wide world about you so much."
Mike, I think there's a lot of room for mistrust of what our politicians and media tell us. However, it seems to me, as it probably does to you, to be a quantum leap from being skeptical that these sources are telling us "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help them God" about everything under the sun" and being absolutely convinced that there are massive government conspiracies to perpetrate all the terrible deeds that some here say there are.
And I reiterate that when people feel convinced of these conspiracies, they have the regrettable tendency to accept only "facts" and arguments that support them and to reject all that don't.
I think it's very likely that some are so convinced of these conspiracies that even those most solid arguments and evidence wouldn't persuade them, because they have become so invested in the claims they espouse that they couldn't psychologically tolerate admitting to others or even to themselves that they were wrong.
nag said
"they have become so invested in the claims they espouse that they couldn't psychologically tolerate admitting to others or even to themselves that they were wrong."
A statement that could also be applied to Mike and the rest of the UK population that have only read the media's version of events.
They just can't face the possibility that they have been duped for the part 2+ years, by bothering to find out FACTS that the media has not been telling them
"hen you would have seen bent over giant steel rods and you did not and the twin towers had a steel core also lets not forget that and if this is the case the building would have folded over not pancaked and the sub floor basement would not have been demolished and imploded before the plane even hit the building!"
How do you KNOW this, Brenda. Are you a structural engineer? Whose word do you take for this claim, and do you honestly mean to tell me that no acclaimed experts disagree with your assessment? Everybody who's qualified to evaluate this agrees with you on this? There are no competing credible explanations of the events that do not entail the conspiracy you champion?
The point of my previous comment, Brenda, was partly to raise an epistemological issue about how we can properly evaluate claims, such as your conspiracy claims.
For instance, you say the buildings couldn't have collapsed the way they did from the planes alone. I quoted a passage from Popular Mechanics that said otherwise. You responded that this passage is mistaken and explained why, in your understanding.
But where does that understanding come from?. Does it come from your own advanced degree in a closely related field or from someone else's? And does everyone with an equivalent level of expertise agree on this?
Brenda, I'm about as far from being knowledgeable about engineering as it's possible to be. I wouldn't begin to know how to evaluate the truth of what you claim about the planes not causing all the damage except by relying on what the "experts" say. And before believing that my own government could have been actively involved in something as nefarious as the 9/11 destruction and deaths and then managed to cover it up so well, I would need to see a virtual unanimity of opinion among experts as to the "facts" you cite, and I don't see that. Do you?
How else can someone who doesn't understand these scientific and engineering issues any better than I do or ever could make any definitive evaluation?
nag
What about the non scientific and engineering issues, as shown in this film that BrendaStar previously posted the link for
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28tE0fKpISM
Tara, I haven't watched that video. Who created it? What is their agenda? Perhaps I'll spend an 1:42 watching it. But that's a lot of time to spend watching something that may be unreliably partisan.
nag
Well you certainly won't know unless you watch it and form your own opinion on it's credibility or plausibility.
Tara, I think it helps to know going in who created the video and why. As I wrote in my original comment that kicked off this whole line of discussion between Brenda, you, and me, any reasonably talented person can make even the most harebrained theories sound plausible. It would be reassuring to know going in that the video is widely considered by a good sampling of knowledgeable people to be a fair and impartial presentation designed to provide the viewer with a well rounded summary of key facts that the viewer can use to begin to formulate an informed opinion rather than a very biased one stemming from a very biased presentation.
I need to take a short nap. I went to bed late last night and got up early this morning. I could use a little rest and rejuvenation. But in the words of our immortal governor in a previous lifetime: "I'll be back." :-)
nag
Why don't you just admit it.
You aren't the slightest bit interested in 9/11 and what's happening in the world today
Tara, I WON'T admit that I'm not interested in what's going on in the world today, because that would not be true. But I'm interested in what's REALLY going on, and not in what a bunch of partisan hacks SAY is going on. Can you assure me that the video portrays the former and not the latter?
nag
Only you can decide if you consider the video credible or plausible, if you bother to watch it.
"Only you can decide if you consider the video credible or plausible, if you bother to watch it."
Tara, what is YOUR knowledge of the person or organization that created the video in question? Or did you bother to look into this before watching it and taking its claims as fact, if, in fact, you do take them as fact?
nag
I'm have almost finished watching it at the moment.
When you have bothered to watch it too, perhaps we can discuss any of the specific issues raised to see how our opinions differ, if at all.
Nag
"because that would not be true. But I'm interested in what's REALLY going on, and not in what a bunch of partisan hacks SAY is going on. Can you assure me that the video portrays the former and not the latter?"
your a hypocrite really you are..
"your a hypocrite really you are.."
How so, Brenda?
Nag,
you make up all these excuses not to watch things or listen you dont want a different view or to see a different side you are in fact a very one sided person and that is proven over and over again in all these writings.. you say its this and that yet YOU HAVE NO IDEA!!!! becuase you yourself wont even watch it or anything that I or Tara suggest for that matter.. YOUR CLOSED MINDED, it must come as a shock to you being you thought you were so open and enlightened but your not!
BrendaStar
For someone (nag) who has repeatedly told us all to THINK, suddenly we aren't allowed to anymore.
As you say, hypocritical in the extreme.
ive told you over and over again why you are figure it out!
Seriously! Tara you got that right girl!
Nagarjuna,
and who are you to detirmine what I comprehend and what I do not, just another closed minded comment coming from a close minded hypocritical person...
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