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Boogie
No joke, it really is unfruitful for you to say the serious things that you do about Nagarjuna.
Boogie,
I do hope you have read my previous post where I do quote the bible in that regards.
If we are both brother or sister in christ then I trust we can lovingly discuss this.
Also, I did make an error or two and was hoping another christian would call me out on it.
I quoted verses when I meant to refer to chapters.
I do prefer to sow peace, not confusion, not hate.
Coonhound, what I find negligent is that you don't know what I know, but you do know the many faces. Brush it off, no matter, it is just a blog, but one does have to wonder way. You want truth don't you. Why do you not get Nag to confess on these issues and then determine truth. I will not profess I did anything wrong. I do know something about this that we hope to have the facts in hand to have proven very soon, so please don't jump the gun and ask me to apologize.
Nag,
I did tell him/her that by God's word.
Why must I cut boogie off?
You haven't cut him off! You joke with him all the time.
I always drop out and stop partaking when things get a lot more than I feel ok, but you antagonize him and joke with him.
Coonhound, let me summarize things this way. I think Boogie (and Teresa before him) have conducted themselves worse here than anyone. I think they have stated false accusations as absolute, proven fact that should have been condemned in the strongest terms. Instead, I saw a few what appeared to me to be mild rebukes accompanied by continuing chumminess with them. I also saw implicit if not explicit suggestions by some that I was the one who was ultimately responsible for all of this with my provocations. Thus, it appeared to me that many of you were more or less enabling Boogie.
Now maybe I'm misperceiving all of this. And I don't mean to say that no one spoke out against Boogie. Some did, and I applaud that.
I guess what I'm really trying to get at with all of this is that what's done is done. We've all, in my opinion, made mistakes here. I certainly have. But I hope we can all learn from them and do better in the future. And, to my way of thinking, part of what doing better means is simply not tolerating people being repeatedly and falsely (or without proof) accused of being pedophiles or other such things. Those who level these kinds of accusations should be told that their conduct is unacceptable and that they must either retract and apologize for them or they will be totally shunned until they do.
Nagarjuna,
Why don't you feel compassion for Boogie the way you fight for ppl to have compassion for PG?
SIWL
Hello everyone. My son has a fever today, I have been all morning trying to get it to break. It went from 103.5, where he told me he was having hallucinations, down to where it is now, at 100.3.
I hope everyone here is doing well today. And I pray that this virus does not come near you.
Nag,
You have been very chummy with boogie, too.
"None of the parties you are addressing know what I know and a few others know, so if you get them to come after me with words for your needs of protection Nag, do you really think that would change things?"
No, Boogie, I don't think it would change your behavior one bit for people to respond to you in the manner I suggested, except that you'd no longer have anyone to talk to here. You seem too far gone in your delusions for that.
I guess what I'm really standing up for is people doing the right thing, regardless of how efficacious it is. And the right thing in this case is to let people like you who make false accusations of a grave nature know that you and your accusations are unacceptable and will not be tolerated.
Pure and simple.
Question evaded? I'll wait to respond until I see some answers.
Plus Nag,
There have been many of times you could have chose to converse with me rather you chose to go back and forth with someone else.
Do you like peace or confusion?
"Nagarjuna,
Why don't you feel compassion for Boogie the way you fight for ppl to have compassion for PG?"
That's a great question, Coonhound! My sincere answer is that I DO feel compassion for her/him. That's one reason why I've continued to talk to her/him. I'll admit that it isn't the only reason. I've still gotten in my jabs. But I have repeatedly offered this person the hand of reconciliation. And, I'm inclined to think that I'm the only one qualified to do it, given that I'm the one who has been the repeated target of the false accusations.
But I'd like to make a proposal now. Given that Boogie continues to make these accusations without the slightest hint of an apology, I suggest that we ALL refuse to communicate further with her/him unless and until we receive a retraction and apology. Does that seem fair?
Boogie,
Evidently you really have hurt Nagarjuna's feelings.
You say you have proof that he is of a questionable nature.
Well, I don't know what you are speaking of, but whatever it is you claim to know of him...is it really necessary to call him the things that you have called him? I mean...it surely doesn't aid you in your cause to make those accusations.
You should not let pride get in the way of making things right.
"Do you like peace or confusion?"
Coonhound, the best in me prefers dialogue grounded in mutual respect and positive regard. This doesn't always mean "peace." But it DOES mean that we treat each other civilly at bare minimum, and that if someone continues to refuse to do this, they are excluded from the dialogue unless and until they make amends.
This is what the best in me desires. The worst in me does like to stir things up sometimes. But I want to encourage and strengthen the best in me, not the worst.
Coonhound, can you please answer my question, rather than asking me to give what I cannot give?
Boogie,
You really need to clear the air here.
State your case or come clean.
Up until now, I perceived the junk bw you and nag as childs play. No, I did not care for how far it went at times.
But its time to starighten it out boogie.
Does anyone in here know the trial date for the Garridos and if they will be tried together or separately? Has the subject of this blog changed or does anyone know what is happening with the Garrido kidnapping and rape case?
"Evidently you really have hurt Nagarjuna's feelings."
Not really, Coonhound. The way I see it, I'm just standing up for what's right here and denouncing what's wrong. My feelings aren't hurt. I don't hate Boogie. I just don't think Boogie's conduct has a place here among people who want to act decently to each other and that it should be rejected.
Boogie has nothing on me, because there's nothing to have. But the fact that s/he continues to say otherwise without doing the impossible and saying what it is just perpetuates his/her egregious conduct. It's really time to say, "ENOUGH."
Boogie,
Please repeat the question you want me to answer.
Coonhound. You completely miss the point. I will await to see if you care to get to the truth. Again, I do know what I am doing.
Nag,
I do believe you have some hurt feelings, too. It's ok to admit it and its ok to hide it, too.
Coonhound: Aside from a few typos that I will correct... (I have become accustomed to having a secretary so that I can quickly write) here is my previous post... questions that really should be addressed:
Blogger TheBoogieManHater said...
Coonhound, what I find negligent is that you don't know what I know, but you do know the many faces of Nag. Brush it off, no matter, it is just a blog, but one does have to wonder why he has so many faces. You want truth don't you. Why do you not get Nag to confess on these issues and then determine truth. I will not profess I did anything wrong. I do know something about this that we hope to have the facts in hand to have proven very soon, so please don't jump the gun and ask me to apologize.
October 4, 2009 10:26 AM
(copied from above) Does anyone in here know the trial date for the Garridos and if they will be tried together or separately? Has the subject of this blog changed or does anyone know what is happening with the Garrido kidnapping and rape case?
Coonhound, I take your question about "hurt feelings" seriously. If I really think about it, I guess my answer is as follows: I'm a human being who likes people,likes to be liked (though I realize that I have a way of sabotaging this at times :-)), and doesn't like to be hated, especially over false perceptions or beliefs concerning my character.
But I don't buy what I, correctly or incorrectly, take to be your implication that "hurt feelings" must be behind my condemnation of Boogie's conduct and my suggestions for how it should be handled. Emotions aside, I think what I've been saying is sound on a strictly rational or moral level as well.
Boogie,
Nag is very disturbed about you calling him the "P" word.
MikeB... sorry a little skeptical at answering... but I will.
No, there is no trial date and I have not heard whether they will be tried together or not. With 18 years of captivity, I am sure there will be many requests for extension of discovery, etc. I also think that to have meaningful trial, the government will need to give Jaycee time to overcome what has happened to her and the reality of relationships (in her mind). She has to be pretty mixed up right now so I see it taking quite a bit of time before they go forward with trial unless they attempt to do it without Jaycee's testimony. I hope that is not necessary.
Nag,
I never said your hurt feelings are what's behind your condemnation for boogies behavior.
That my dear, you read into and wrongly I might add!
Thx.
"The many faces of Nag"? WHAT "faces"?
"Confess on these issues?" WHAT issues?
You "know something" about this? Know WHAT? You know nothing, because there's nothing to know.
Coonhound is being "negligent?" Negligent HOW?
Don't ask you to apologize for stating something egregious as fact that's not only false but which you haven't proven? Why NOT?
"That my dear, you read into and wrongly I might add!"
I stand corrected, Coonhound. But then I acknowledged in my original comment that I could be mistaken in my inference. :-)
Nagarjuna...
You are acting like a woman with a serious case of PMS.
One day you are all about joking with boogie and the next you are about standing up for what is right and beating up on those that have rebuked certain things, and telling them "No, No, this is how you should have rebuked Boogie."
EZY WEAZY!
Just found out I might have an Acoustic Neuroma on my left side.
I miss Goblinbee. :( I hope she is having too much fun right now and relaxing on a very sunny beach.
Boogie...
Take heed...
Humble yourself, not to us or Nagarjuna, but rather to God and sow some peace with Nagarjuna!!!!!
It is your christian duty to do so, even before this duty of exposing nagarjuna!!
If you are my brother/sister in christ I expect you will take this seriously boogie.
There is no conflict in sowing peace with Nag and still exposing this stuff you say you are investigating.
"Nagarjuna...
You are acting like a woman with a serious case of PMS.
One day you are all about joking with boogie and the next you are about standing up for what is right and beating up on those that have rebuked certain things, and telling them "No, No, this is how you should have rebuked Boogie."
EZY WEAZY!"
First, Coonhound, I said several comments back that I'd prefer to move on to other matters. However, Boogie appeared and questions and comments continued to be raised that I appropriately and candidly addressed. And I don't see anything I've said here today as "beating up" on anyone. From my perspective, this discussion has turned into one less about Boogie's past and present conduct per se than it's about the moral and proper way to respond to people who act the way Boogie does in forums such as this. It really IS a discussion of right and wrong and the proper way to respond to repeated wrongdoing of Boogie's magnitude. Boogie's conduct is just an instantiation of a general principle. Yet, you make it sound as though I'm acting improperly to raise it, even though you continue to engage me on it. I think you're being unfair, Coonhound, and this surprises me some.
Hi denise.
Sorry I have missed a chance to converse with you.
But I need a long break from this. I'm gatting a headache!
Hope to catch up with you later. We always seem to catch each other on weekday mornings, that is always nice!
You take care today!
"There is no conflict in sowing peace with Nag and still exposing this stuff you say you are investigating."
There's nothing to "expose." But I think you're right, Coonhound. If Boogie was a credit to the Christian faith rather than someone figuratively defecating on it when it isn't easy to live up to its teachings and spirit, s/he would hardly be acting the way s/he continues to do here.
Enough said about that.
"Acoustic neuroma"? Could it compromise your hearing in that ear?
Me? Being unfair.
Nag...you are an example to me.
I have said that I have never conversed on line before, that is the truth.
I have followed you and others as an example.
Now, who's being unfair?
Boogie??????????
Coonhound, if I knew what Garrido was doing, I would not have stopped for anything. If I was the neighbor who never got satisfaction after the first time I called the police, I would have called again. If you want to love Garrido, and offer him your compassion and understanding, in your understanding of the Lord's teachings, they by all means do so. This is not my understanding of what he asks of us. He most certainly would want us to protect our children. I am out for the afternoon. I still suggest you should get a confession from Nag regarding his many aka's/faces. The continual denial shows the intent.
it already has compromised the hearing in that ear. an incompetent doctor misdiagnosed me in 2005 as 'psychological problems and somatization disorder.' After 4 years the Neuroma will be pretty big. I'm going to complain to the general medical council to make sure he can't keep getting things wrong.
"Now, who's being unfair?"
Either I don't begin to understand what you're saying here, or that was a complete dodge of my statement to the effect that I think you're being unfair in accusing me of "beating up on people" and acting like a woman with PMS with my comments here this morning.
"I still suggest you should get a confession from Nag regarding his many aka's/faces. The continual denial shows the intent."
Preposterous! :-) I should confess to something I haven't done, and the fact that I keep denying that I've done it proves that I have done it. :-)
What kind of cockeyed "logic" is tht? :-)
Can the neuroma be excised or otherwise treated and your hearing restored or at least prevented from getting worse?
"Boogielogic." My neologism for the day. :-)
The doctors are more concerned with my survival than keeping my hearing in tact.
Coonhound,
Hopefully, my weekdays here in the blog will not be possible again. I have only been home caring for my children for the past 12 days, and I honestly expected that I had lost my job. My daughter took a doctor's note to my supervisor on Friday, so I think I will be working each day again, starting tomorrow. Tomorrow is a bad day to have to rescue my employment status, because my son is very sick, and I do not want to leave him alone. And my mother is leaving us to move to California.
But I am sure we will have plenty of opportunities to chat and discuss many things sometime in the future.
Go get some rest, I know how this blog and the internet in general can cause headaches and some stress. peace and God bless.
Sorry about that, Dr Dr. I guess I need to look up "neuroma." I thought it was a benign tumor, not a malignant, life-threatening one.
I'm very sorry this is happening to you, and I hope your outcome is a relatively good one.
I see that acoustic neuromas ARE benign tumors, but, depending on their placement and size, can cause serious problems. I hope yours can be managed well, Dr. Dr.
thanks for the kind words. not everyone who gets this thing has it in a life threatening way. most people have good doctors who don't dismiss everything as psychosomatic or somatization disorder. he should of referred me 4 years ago and then i wouldnt be in this position. it's amazing how one wrong and incompetent decision can make life even harder for the other people treating you.
If your doctor was as negligent as it sounds like he was, I hope you have some recourse not only to having him censured but also so that you can collect damages. I realize that the Republicans in this country are keen on preventing us from being able to sue or doctors, and I'd agree that we're an overly litigious society, but, having said that, I think people such as yourself should be able to sue if real negligence was involved, and that mistakes such as the one your doctor made should be strongly, strongly discouraged.
I am based in the UK, so don't know about legal action.
I have a suggestion.
When we all come back here to talk some more, let's talk about other things than Boogie, and let's let Boogie talk to herself/himself?
Sound like a good idea?
Coonhound said...
I would like to address this Nagarjuna post, not sure who he posted it to, but I do believe he has challenged us all at one point....
Nag said
I disagree. I believe that anyone who carefully reads scripture and studies Christian teachings about the life and spirit of Jesus with an open, rather than "closed" mind and heart, can hardly disagree with what I've been posting about trying to discard hatred and feel compassion for the Garridos. And I have a very difficult time believing that you, in your heart of hearts, disagree with me on this. Do you REALLY think Jesus would hate the Garridos? Do you REALLY think he would want YOU to hate the Garridos or anyone else? Do you REALLY think he would want you not to ask him to help you try to overcome your hatred and replace it with compassion if not love? If you answer in the negative to any of these questions, I think you do a disservice to yourself and to your faith.
September 29, 2009 1:55 PM*******
Nagarjuna,You are correct, Christians are to resist what the bible refers to as "enmity" which is a deep seeded hate or ill-will. Such feelings or expressions of ill-will place a stumbling block bw God and the believer, despite who or what the ill-will is directed towards. And of course, it can be challenging to digest this idea.The book of Romans deeply explains the struggle of two natures. And where christians should *strive* to be in the eyes of God and with their faith.However, the Book of James can all the same address your question with less words:James3:18"And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace."Also, verse 17 provides believers with a guidline to understanding the characteristics of God's Wisdom through His son, Jesus. The Book of Romans (especially ch7 and ch8) takes the believer to a deeper understanding of the carnal mind, and where it can lead a believer. It challenges the believer to take their faith to a higher level through the spirit or to spirtually minded.As Denise previously has pointed out, all christians are at their own level of growth and it does not make one superior over the other.There is much more scripture that I could quote and so thoroughly discuss concerning your question and my brief answer, but the Word of God is not intended to be swallowed whole.Peace to you all!
September 30, 2009 8:38 AM
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Boogie,
You don't have to like nag or PG.
I like nag, I do not like pg.
But this hatefulness towards nag is a stumbling block for you. Any deep seeded hate or ill-will is a stumbling block for any christian.
:)
Coonhound, thank you for finding and reposting that comment. I did read it the morning you posted it, and I remember feeling very impressed by it. I guess I should have said something. But I think I didn't because, as far as the Christian angle of it was concerned, there was nothing more for me to say. I think I felt that your eloquent words stood on their own and that if I piped in with any kind of comment, whether it be a simple thank you or something more elaborate, it would have somehow undermined your message.
But I thank you here and now for that wise and eloquent post the other day and, again, for reposting it today.
Nagarjuna,
I truely think you should have respect for the way in which others handle things.
:)
Coonhound, the way I see it, it's possible to respect the way others "handle things," but to respect it even more if and when it's handled even better than it has been.
Thank you Nagarjuna.
As you can see my last post and your last post were done simultaneously. So, don't mind it.
I thank you for your kind words:)
I thank you for providing me with the opportunity to render them :-)
Nag,
My last post was concerning our 12:25 posts.
You probably saw that though.
But of course, Coonhound. :-)
I watched some of your bowling videos!!
Hah! Very nice.
Do you or your wife use a blackberry phone?
Well, those were made one night when I'd just started bowling again after a two year hiatus. So, all in all, my wife and I did pretty well. :-)
No, we don't have Smartphones. I wish I could afford the monthly rates on this, but they're too rich for my blood. Besides, I'd probably never be able to figure out how to use one. I'm a technophobic old fogy. :-)
Well,
I do hope you have a wonderful rest of the day today, Nagarjuna!
I'm tiried.
Bye!
I have an article to read about how quantum indeterminacy has no relevance to psychological determinism. :-)
You have a great day too, Coonhound. Bye.
Brenda,
Have you considered passing a petition around? I found a free place to form a petition, and send it around. If you are interested, let me know, and I will give you the site. Also, maybe you can help me understand how to create a petition, as I am trying to work on Medicare paying for In Home Services for our elderly.
I originally started on this mission when I first became Marketing Rep for the company I work for. It would have helped me in my job immensely. It would have helped our company, our nurses, me, our home health aides, and the clients as well, not to mention my supervisors, as our company would have grown mucho. But now that I am no longer responsible for helping the company to grow, I still will pursue this issue, as I have seen far too much neglect of our Elderly, and I have seen so many sad and pitiful conditions they live in.
Nag,
you said:
"I wasn't interested in discussing health care reform as some kind of alleged conspiracy to take over the world."
How dare you!! like I have no ideas about health care reform, and ways to change things. Im so ignorant its for the conspiracy of the world but now all my opinions are out of the question because I have taken the TIME to research something you lack to do???!!!! and that its all for the conspiracy of the world!!!
How the hec to do you know I would talk about health care as some conspiracy of the world!!!
and NO i wont stop talking to BOOGIE if you have a problem with him YOU CAN STOP talking to him..
I think ive stuck up for you enough!
YOU are so JUDGEMENTAL!!!has anyone ever told you that?????
I found that statement to be so rude to me.. and offensive..
you are delusional Nag!!!
"Brenda, I read what you said, but it seemed somehow understated. It further seemed that you were partially justifying the accusations and very hateful comments (and the fact that they've never been retracted or apologized for) by saying that I provoked them. This is what I've been disappointed with."
Justifying actions!!! your ridiculous I said it was wrong and that is something you should never do...as well as other things, I in no way condoned it... you are so blind!!!!
Coonhound,,
I did get your message about health care and a cpl of other topics i will answer them I was at a wedding all day yesterday and am trying to catch up but there are 200 comments to read through I like to get current then answer but certain things get my goat along the way :) lol.. but yes I loved your comment and again very good questions and topic.. and I will answer you I promise
:) I hope your having a good day.
Brendastar...
That's right, I forgot about the wedding. Hope you had a nice time.
Take your time with the response...I was rambling a bit:) it can wait days if need be, I understand.
Thank you Dr. webb for that Dateline NBC heads up.. it was good. you guys google dateline NBC and its right there you can watch it in segments..
As well as I am very sorry to hear about your medical condition.. My mother has stage 3 advanced Cancer.. I will send lots of positive thoughts your way as I do hers. I take care of her quite a bit and it is something that I think about daily..
Boogie,
Ya know I used to go on this Yahoo chat room not a weird chat room either the topic was POLITICS and i liked it for awhile because you could ingage with so many different people but also it was people with all different types of views so it often got waaaaaayyyyy heated :) the least to say but i got tired of people sending me private messages and crap and all the pedophiles on there geeeezzz that alone is so scary you get all these invites to peoples web cams and just crap so i decided i dont like to use those anymore.. i go on different sights that I enjoy and they usually have a comment page like this and i leave comments and you can subscribe so I do that its kind of the same thing.
thank you Coonhound I did have a good time.. :) good times.
i thank you for your patience I have a lot going on so I keep chiming in when i can and respond to questions people have asked me a flag them so I can follow up but I feel so busy today plus I went to work for 4 hours and then came home and I have to pick my daughter up in a little bit.. I am taking advantage of the little time right now but I like to respond to your questions because they are good with a well thought out response :)
Brenda, my dear, you can bury your nose six inches up Boogie's posterior if that's what you want to do. I can't stop you. And if you don't want to "stick up" for me against his/her ugly, false, and serious accusations, that's your prerogative.
It amazes me that you could think I'm out of line in saying that Boogie's continued unfounded assertions that s/he's "got something" on me proving that I'm a multiple-ID pedophile here trolling for victims are so egregious that s/he should be shunned unless and until a retraction and apology are forthcoming, but, hey, this wouldn't be the first time I've been amazed, and I'm quite sure it won't be the last.
I never said you didn't have more to talk about in regard to healthcare than the allegedly conspiratorial nature of "Obamacare," but that's what you seemed intent on talking about at the time, and I just wasn't interested. I'm interested in making healthcare a basic right and making it readily accessible and affordable to all. If you have ideas on how to do that, I'd like to "hear" them.
Brenda, in my humble opinion, anything less than outright shunning Boogie after all this time of continuing false accusations, and saying anything like, "Boogie shouldn't talk like that, but you, Nagarjuna, did provoke him/her..." is enabling the behavior. And, yes, I AM being "judgmental." But about behavior and not people. I don't condemn anyone here, but I do condemn some of the behavior I see here, especially when it continues unabated and is implicitly dismissed as trivial or excused.
Dr. Webb thank you for being such an insightful endearing person. I so appreciate your wisdom and the work you do. God Bless you. You are in my every prayer.
BrendaStar. I know what you mean about Yahoo chat. I used to use MSN Messenger for group chats, only those you invite can come. When I first upgraded my own laptop to Vista, MSN Messenger stopped working on it. I went back to Yahoo and you are correct, it is filled with pedophiles that just enrage me to have them pop in the way they do. I learned a trick to stop them, but it is no fun constantly blocking each and everyone as they pop in. Before using MSN Messenger so much, I used Yahoo a lot. I now have Yahoo to chat with my nephews in the Iraq, but... if I remember right, in Yahoo you can make your own chat room. If that option is still available, that might be a good idea to give a try. I kind of like these blogs, you can pick things up in your e-mail, or you can come back two days later and read from where you left off. Maybe, if I ever get time, I can create another blog. Until then, I don't mind coming back here. I don't feel in the least bit threatened in doing so.
Yes, Boogie, I'm sure those forums had hordes of pedophiles scurrying out of the woodwork salivating over YOU. :-)
Interesting...
Tis! Tis!
boogieManHater
"Until then, I don't mind coming back here. I don't feel in the least bit threatened in doing so."
Not even with YOUR ALLEGED pedophile in our midst
Not even with "YOUR ALLEGED" pedophile in the midst.
BoogieManHater
Pedophile free zone as far as I am concerned
Well then, I am glad you are truly concerned.
BoogieManHater
"Well then, I am glad you are truly concerned."
Concerned about what ?
BoogieManHater
"As far as I'm concerned" means "in my opinion"
Nagarjuna,
"Brenda, my dear, you can bury your nose six inches up Boogie's posterior if that's what you want to"
okay I will address this first! this is too antagonizing and uncalled for!! Hey look im blunt and I dont beet around the bush but if your trying to say im kissing Boogies ass we are all adults so call tell it like you think it is...
Once again I will say I NEVER Said you were out of line for feeling like you have in fact I VALIDATED you feelings but that you can not see also. I was making an observation in telling you the truth, but you see Nag what you want to see and its a very narrow vision if you ask me..and to comment on this last remark
"I'm interested in making healthcare a basic right and making it readily accessible and affordable to all. If you have ideas on how to do that, I'd like to "hear" them."
So am I Nag thats why I care so much about our governement, Economy, our American poeple, and our History and the way it all operates. You can not change something if you have NO IDEA how it works int he first place.....you make light of what I am interested in for our world and you play it down as not important to listen to. Yet David Lettermans stupid affair was such a huge topic for you instead.. GIVE ME A BREAK!!! you want to change something then actually do something about it...Quite standing on your soap box preaching what everyone else should be doing, and do me a favor take off your blinders and rose colored glasses one day! O'Tay Daddy!!!
Brenda, perhaps you'd like to share with us what you're going to accomplish with this vast knowledge of yours about "how things work"? How do you plan to apply this knowledge to healthcare reform, and what kind of reform do you want to see?
As for my blogpost to which you alluded, perhaps the REAL point of it and the question it raised eluded you. It was about the legitimacy of making blackmail a crime. Do you care to address this issue, or are you not interested in discussing it here? If the latter, that's fine, just as it's fine for me not to talk about your conspiracy theories.
TheBoogieManHater,
I called my congressman to talk about HR1207 and also express my support for this bill as well as he should support this bill and I explained why.. It want urgent just something I wanted to do that day..
Coonhound,
Did you listen to his lyrics they are disgusting.. talent revealed.. makes me sick
My friend Kelly B. was on Dateline and if anyone should have been it was her. Kelly was Jaycee's best friend when we were young.. Kelly took it really hard.
Thanks BrendaStar, I only asked that question because I was trying to figure out what in the prior conversation may have made you think of something that you needed to call for. But I see it was not.
I also saw Kelly's interview. I hope Jaycee will want to see her soon. It is very clear that Kelly does need to see Jaycee. It is very clear Kelly has had to live with losing Jaycee and terrible thoughts and wondering for so long. It seems like it would be wholesome for her, for better lack of term right now.
its okay Boogie I am glad you asked me :) Hello and I hope your doing well this evening.
yeah Kelly was so upset when we were young.. and she carried it with her every day after.. I hope Jaycee will want to see Kelly someday if Jaycee is ever comfortable doing so.
Nag,
I never claimed to have vast knowledge! I share what have learned information horders are lame..
Thank you BrendaStar, I am doing well, and I hope the same for you. I realize you are taking your questions in order... Just want to make sure you didn't miss a question or two that I had. The most important when you are ready was Regarding the fall of building 7 video, and it's early reference that documents which would have shown the governments involvement in 9/11 were in that building 7. (You and I had already discussed Enron documentation) but my questions was if you knew of any documentation or had some sort of knowledge of where there might be proof (other documentation) that there were definitely documents of this in building somewhere.
Not in any hurry, just wanted to make sure you didn't miss that question. It is about 3 or 4 pages back.
I am rather sleepy, I have been reading and working all afternoon and again very tired, so I will come back later and see if you responded or try to check in tomorrow evening. Thanks again, and have a nice evening.
Brenda, let me rephrase my earlier comment: Perhaps you'd like to share with us what you're going to accomplish with this not vast knowledge of yours about "how things work." How do you plan to apply this not vast knowledge to healthcare reform, and what kind of reform do you want to see?
"Hey look im blunt and I dont beet around the bush but if your trying to say im kissing Boogies ass we are all adults so call tell it like you think it is..."
Ok, Brenda. Figuratively speaking, I think that's exactly what you're doing when, in my considered opinion, a person of real decency wouldn't sustain chummy conversations with someone who continues to make the false accusations here that Boogie does.
Boogie there was a NIST report that told the demolition of the trade towers ALL of them.. and mind you building 7 was just reinforced prior to the three isolated fires being able to run so hot they melted steel and made it crumble with NO plane hitting it.. Who would want to pay attention to this? or have interest in it its so not interesting, right? lol..
Does the NIST report list documentation that they knew was in building 7. There had to be just a ton of other information we don't even know about in that building, but curious to know, if they did this because people were on to the location of such information. Please don't let the backwash get to you here. I know it is hard, but your cause is righteous. I am very interested and obviously the interest is growing throughout the nation much quicker than I ever thought possible. The truth is spilling out. Some people just cannot stand it when the feel they need to be the center of attention and in control and command of all conversation. You have that ability here and it bothers another. I know I shouldn't talk about not letting it get to you, as you can see he can push a person a bit to far, but just hope you can see, it will not help to address it.
BrendaStar. I am interested enough to stay and chat all night, but I am just to tired to type properly so I will say goodnight, but will make a point of following up tomorrow. Take care.
Look into the Leaked NIST report
this building was reinforced in 1990 to be a:
Emergency Command Center for the City of New York
Did the mayor report here for this?....NO
Did gullianni himself have this built in 1990..yes..????
this was the time of the height of the investigation into Enron. The majority of Enron’s SEC filings were lost when building 7 collapsed
September 16th, NASA flew an airplane over the World Trade Center site, recorded infrared radiation coming from the ground, and created a thermal map. The U.S. Geological Survey analyzed this data, and determined the actual temperature of the rubble. This map shows that five days after the collapse of Building 7, the surface temperature of a section of its rubble was 1,341º F This high a temperature is indicative of the use of explosives.
here is another interesting FACT:
George W. Bush’s brother, Marvin Bush, and his cousin, Wirt Walker III, were principles in the company Stratesec, formerly named Securacom that was in charge of security for the World Trade Center, with Walker being the CEO from 1999 until January 2002
as well as the 9/11 investigation that was after 9/11 that we all witnessed on TV the would not answer the collapse of building 7.. why?
TheBoogieManHater,
you sleep well and have a good night we will talk tomorrow...thank you for talking with me for a bit :)
Boogie,
to me this is so significant:
Building Seven SERVED as the command center for the security of the entire WTC complex, which was headed by the President's brother, Marvin Bush, whose contract ended "coincidentally" on 9/11. but remained CEO until 2002.
the NIST report talks a lot about the physical evidence mostly but there was documentation on the security of all of the towers and all of the files for the Enron scandal as well. But as you put it who really knows how much information was really in there, but I bet a lot!! A lot of very bad things..
I thank you for your words Boogie... I will try not to let it get to me I promise :) and thank you again for having an interest it has meant a lot to me.
I think the "Plans" are because of the security they had over all the tower they would have had to have a plan i think to shut down such a security system and an entire banking system..
One of my favorite spiritual writers is the late mystic-sage Eknath Eawaran. His Blue Mountain Center of Meditation is a great place to go to read some of his writings and gain a sense of where he believes a spiritual path transcending any one particular religion's teachings can take us.
As I was preparing to shut down the computer for the night and go to bed, I checked Easwaran's "Thought for the Day" of October 4, and encountered the following words that I need to take to heart:
October 4
Love does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrong, but rejoices in the right.
– I Corinthians
In "My Fair Lady," Rex Harrison sings in exasperation: “Why can’t a woman be more like a man? . . . Why can’t a woman be like me?”
It did not surprise me to learn that this was a very popular song. In every emotional relationship, even if we don’t put it into words, each of us has a rigid set of expectations which requires the other person to act and think in a particular way. Interestingly enough, it is not that person’s way; it is our own.
When he or she acts differently, we get surprised and feel irritated or disappointed. If we could see behind the scenes, in the mind, this sort of encounter would make a good comedy. Here I am, relating not to you but to my idea of you, and I get irritated because you insist on acting your own way instead!
It is really no more than stimulus and response. If you behave the way I expect, I’ll be kind. If you behave otherwise, I’ll act otherwise too: rude, or irritated, or disappointed, or depressed, depending on my personality, but always something in reaction to you. It means, simply, that none of us has much freedom; our behavior is dependent on what other people say and do. To live without self-centered expectations is the secret of freedom in personal relationships.
--Eknath Easwaran
Goodnight everyone.
Nothing but random trolling in this comment section now.
Hi BrendaStar. Yes, I did read the data and watched some video. The evidence regarding explosives having a hand in the fall of the towers is evident in no uncertain terms. I was hoping to significant data or fact regarding why it was done. If building 7 didn't also go down, I would tend to believe they had these two prewired due to their knowing of attacks, and knowing what would happen if the buildings fell sideways instead of imploding. But, I do know there is something still behind this simply because, I do not believe the two buildings would have fallen due to the fires and I do know that any owner who had any knowledge of their building would know that they would not fall due to fire. I also believe it was cowardly to blow the buildings while there were still people in the buildings. The timing that they were blown is distressing to me. Knowing their were still people, including firemen, in the building, and doing it anyway says a lot to me. Two questions, if it was not planned, did they know something more dangerous was in the planes that they had to rid, or did they do it for some other monetary cause. Building 7 being imploded answers that question.
So, we know know that they did this. There are several conclusions that one could make of this. I am trying to determine how people have reached the ideas that they have as to why, and therefore looking for any sort of factual documentation.
I read about the Supreme Court hearing. Have you heard anything regarding when they are expected to rule whether there is cause for an investigation and order that one go forward? (I do not see how they can turn one down with the proof of explosives in all three buildings, but if it is a conspiracy, who knows who might have a hand in, or over one on the Supreme Court.) I see mayhem on the horizon if the investigation is denied, so I hope they decide they cannot get around this.
Hope to see you tonight.
Actually that is wrong... the Supreme Court will actually only decide whether the vote for a new investigation can go on November's ballot. It is only New York citizens that can vote on this. (?)
Today's "Thought For the Day" by Eknath Easwaran:
October 5
Trifles make perfection, and perfection is no trifle.
– Michelangelo
Mogul art, one of the great periods of artistic achievement in India, often is in miniature. The artist concentrated on very small areas, on little things, and worked with tenderness and precision. Only somebody who understands art will be able to see all the love and labor that has gone into it. Family living is like Mogul art, worked in miniature. The canvas is so small, and the skill required is so great, that most of us really do not appreciate the vast potentialities of family life.
Today we hear a great deal about the family becoming obsolete. Let us hope this is just the fantasy of those who do not understand the value of the family. To me, the family is like a free university, where we can get our finest education in living for others. Family does not just mean Papa, Mama, Junior, and Janie, but all the members, including grandparents, uncles and aunts and country cousins. The family can include dear friends and those who participate closely in all our endeavors.
We begin by being tender and unselfish and putting up with innumerable discomforts for the sake of adding to the joy of our family. Then, gradually, we extend our love to include our friends, our community, our country, and our world.
--Eknath Easwaran
Goodmorning TheBoogieManHater,
I enjoyed reading your comments this a.m.
I believe it was to push us into Iraq we had no actual real reason to take Saddam down. I feel that Bush Sr. Failed this prior and his son finished. If you look into the history of Bush Sr.'s dad Prescott Bush his political ties are also very very disturbing. He attended Yale and was a part of Illuminati Youth Corp, also known as Skull and Bones Society. While at Yale, Prescott desecrated the grave of the famous Indian chief Geronimo and took his skull, which is today one of the Skull and Bones Society's most prized posessions. Under our direction, Prescott used his father’s arms connections and the Skull & Bones Society to marry into the real money the Harriman banking family. As a vice president at W.A. Harriman & Co. Prescott made all kinds of connections with extremely wealthy people. Some of these people included high-ranking Nazi officials, who joined Prescott on the board of the Union Banking Corporation. In addition to helping raise money for the Nazis, he did fund Hitler and his war. Its a fact. I feel there is so much in our past that leads us to our present time now.
Boogie watch this its only 48 minutes long this movie gives a great timeline.. watch it PLEASE :) This came out in 2007.
link:
http://freedocumentaries.org/theatre.php?filmid=150&id=998&wh=1000x720
so back to the 9/11 investigation.. See we all know though to admit what they have done would be admitting the last 8 years were a lie... then the people would ask why did we go to Iraq then why is my son dead then? ect... it would start a ripple effect.. we all are aware of this.. So the way this will go down will not be easy..its one of the biggest fights of our lifetime! To say oh yeah there were explosives would outright say that tons of high public government officials lied about the events that occurred that day.. Which they did..
This investigatin is a huge leap and what is so significant about this is that Yes it IS ONLY NEW YORKERS THAT CAN JOIN THIS RIGHT NOW!!! I say that in bold to signify to the non believers that the CITIZENS OF NEW YORK have brought ON THIS INVESTIGATION.. THE ONLY REASON we are having a hearing by the Supreme court to look into 9/11 is because OVER 80,000.00 NEW YORKERS DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY AND THEY WANT ANSWERS... To deny this is occurring is turining a blind eye to what is really happening...that over 80,000.00 NEW YORKERS BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH 9/11!!!
It is only New York City that is demanding this investigation if we raise enough signatures for a state maybe we could join there cause but New York had to get 80,000.00 signatures minimum to even request this investigation
You would think the people that actually lived through it would know, right! No we shun them too as if their opinions and experiences of that day have NO meaning!!!
It is shocking to me when I hear people say "this topic doesnt Interest me!"
But I am sure the day 9/11 happened it interested you. But it doesnt interest you about the first responders dying daily form what they have named the "world trade center cough" do you know people in New york are dying daily from respiratory failure!!! They were told by FEMA the AIR WAS SAFE TO BREATHE! Thousand of Americans are still dying from 9/11 people just dont talk about it anymore..
The feel good foundation was started by 9/11 rescue workers...It does what the government should have been doing all this time..
Families, First Responders, Survivors and Supporters of NYC CAN Ballot Referendum for New Impartial 9/11 Investigation march from Battery Park to City Hall via Ground Zero, WTC 7 and State Supreme Court to protest City's attempt to block referendum from going on November ballot.
an article i found:
http://nyccan.org/
this site is awesome Boogie check it out!
September 25, 2009
Rather than waiting until the scheduled decision date of Monday, September 28, Referee Louis Crespo issued his "report and recommendations" on Friday, September 25, and recommended that the Court rule in favor of the City.
After reviewing the referee's report, we feel he did not give adequate consideration to the extensive arguments presented in our memorandum of law submitted on Monday, September 21. The report seemed more a cut and paste from the City's original motion papers than a balanced weighing of the arguments. In particular, the referee's report failed to analyze the vast majority of NYC CAN's legal points as to why the City's claims were unfounded and its reliance on certain case law wholly inapplicable.
Officially, Judge Lehner has up to 60 days to either adopt, modify, or reject the referee's report and recommendation, and render a decision. However, with the deadline for inclusion on the ballot fast approaching, NYC CAN lawyers will bring a motion on Monday, September 28 to ask the Court to reconsider the matter immediately, and render a judgment in favor of the Petitioners. We anticipate that the matter will be heard and decided on Tuesday, September 29, or Wednesday, September 30.
Judge Lehner may decide the case on the paperwork submitted, or hear oral arguments as well. If oral arguments are ordered, the proceeding should be open to the public. If so, we will ask everyone who can to attend and help maintain the tidal wave of support that will crescendo with the March For Answers on Sunday.
Only in fighting to the very end will the voices of 80,000 New Yorkers resonate across the country, and those who are still asleep awaken to the mockery of justice in a local government claiming it has no jurisdiction over thousands of its residents being murdered.
The 9/11 Commission Report - a disgrace to any society that considers itself just, democratic and transparent; and a shameless affront to those who died on September 11th - is on its last legs.
August 24, 2009
On Monday, August 10, NYC CAN began a comprehensive review of the nearly 26,000 signatures invalidated by the New York City Board of Elections and City Clerk. With 26,003 signatures accepted as valid by the City, at least 3,997 additional signatures were needed to exceed the threshold of 30,000 signatures. 10 days, 50 volunteers and 1,000 man-hours later, we are thrilled to report we have so far discovered 6,924 signatures we will argue were wrongly invalidated.
In addition, the Court has granted an extension allowing us to complete our review of 6 unfinished volumes. We anticipate having well over 7,000 additional valid signatures once the review is complete. The 50+ individuals who helped conduct the review take great pride in knowing their work has stopped the silencing of 7,000 New York City voters and allowed their voices to be heard.
On Friday, August 28, we must serve a Bill of Particulars listing all signatures we argue should be deemed valid by the Court. Special Referee Louis Crespo will begin a line-by-line review of the disputed signatures on Tuesday, September 8, and is scheduled to complete his review by Friday, September 18.
Pending the outcome of the Court’s review of the disputed signatures, lawyers for NYC CAN and the City will begin arguing the legality of the petition’s proposed amendment to the City Charter.
Looking ahead, NYC CAN will submit an additional 28,000 signatures on September 3 to satisfy the requirement of 15,000 valid signatures needed to override the City Council’s failure to act on the petition. The 60-day period for the City Council to approve the referendum’s placement on the ballot ended today, August 24, 2009. If NYC CAN wins in court, the submission of 15,000 more valid signatures will guarantee the referendum’s placement on the ballot.
Legal proceedings are expected to last through the month of September, by which time a favorable determination from the Court is needed in order for the referendum to be placed on this November’s ballot. Over the last 25 years six ballot initiatives have been attempted in New York City. Only one has made it on the ballot: the 1993 initiative to limit New York City elected officials to two terms in office, whose supporters also had to go to court to prove the initiative legal before passage by the voters, and which was nevertheless undone by the City Council last year. We will battle against all odds to see that the initiative to establish a critically needed reinvestigation of 9/11 does not suffer the same fate as past ballot initiatives.
NYC CAN now calls upon its thousands of members and millions aware of the egregious inadequacy of the 9/11 Commission Report to help ensure our fight for a real investigation does not go unnoticed by the larger public. Nearly 80,000 New Yorkers have put pen to paper to call for the right of all New Yorkers to vote an impartial, independent investigation into existence. This momentous step forward in the quest for truth about September 11th will be looked upon with admiration across the globe. Through the ages those who have fought for justice did not win by backing down when their government said no. We will continue this fight and future efforts with the same determination that has gotten us to where we stand today.
the last two post i copied form that web page
Good morning, Brenda. I hope your day is going well so far. Judging from the temperature here in Sacramento, I'm guessing that it's downright cold in your neck of the woods this morning. Fall has definitely fallen. :-)
Goodmorning Nag,
It is freezing here :( but it has snowed the last 2 days...pretty :)
it is very COLD today :) went from short to full on winter gear.. lol..
Is it raining there today? Or was it the last cpl days?
I hope your day is going good to Nag. :)
I don't think it's rained any lately here, and the sky is clear this morning. It's warmed up to 52 degrees now. After it warms up a little more, my wife and I will take a walk to the park.
Have a great day in your snow-tinged paradise. :-)
If anyone's interested, the Easwaran "Thought for the Day" passages I've posted come from the Blue Mountain Center of Meditation at the following URL: http://www.easwaran.org/page.php5?pageid=188
You van click on "Thought for the Day" at the bottom of the third column to get Easwaran's words of wisdom for each day. Or you can have them e-mailed to you each day.
Enjoy.
It is depend on your thinking, you have to control your self..credit repair
Coonhound,,
Ive seen a lot of lending out this way with only greed in mind I definitely have a problem with Lending practices yes..We have also tons of timeshares here I call them Crimeshares. lol :)
you said:
I believe we are too obessed with having everything "now"
I could not agree with you more.. I feel like we are desensitized people that we no longer really care about each other but we are more focused as a society on how we look and what we have vs. what we are doing and how our fellow men/women are and having those dear personal relationships with each other, helping each other and helping the earth and living off the natural resources we were meant to.
I have not ate fast food for over 9 years! Its a way of me boycotting preservatives as well as instant gratification two things that our society could use a lot less of :) lol.. seriously though I do things like eat organic food I try to grow my own herbs and produce and what not and when winter comes I bring things in the house and maintain some of my plans otherwise I try to eat organically.
On to health care when I hear Obama talk on health care it makes me cringe honestly... You are correct the average person can not even think of affording health care at all. I do feel when they talk about it they are really out of touch with what IS REALLY going on with every American.. Gran it they state we need a health care for everyone yes we do! I agree..Irthink there rates are so high becuase truly the INSURANCE companys are comtting fraud every day if you ask me.. I wirked in the medical field in the bIlling administrative dept for 5 years for a facitlity as well as 20 provate doctors. I am fully aware of how everything worlks on the back end and it is disgusting! They pay people to deny your claims and thats the truth! Has Obama addressed any of this NO, Has he said oh the government wotn do this like they do NO. They dont care about your health care! they care about their contracted rates and their contracts and thats all we are is a piece of paper for a dollar contracted amount. This is what are health insurance cares about.. They also care about paying the least amount of coverage... Its not JUST people not being able to qualify for insurance because of pre existing clauses its the whole thing and that is what OBAMA fails to talk about... Has he guaranteed us this wont happen with the government angle.. no..
I feel that Obama supports a bill that would force US citizens to give up their arms. He is also for a global tax.Obama has made clear that the U.S. is but one actor in a global community. This has been openly stated by Obama..
In 2009 Kissinger said:
Conflicts across the globe and an international respect for Barack Obama have created the perfect setting for establishment of "a New World
Order" according to Henry Kissinger the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former secretary of state under President Nixon.
Almost half the people on the Transition Economic Advisory Board have held fiduciary positions at companies that to one degree or another either fried their financial statements and helped send the world into an economic tailspin. Joseph Biden is a known
Bilderberg and CFR member.
I dont know but I am not convinced about Obama I have a lot of doubts... a lot.
Nagarjuna,
you too Nag its only 32 degrees here im staying inside today :) lol..
Boogie,
thank you fora always talking to me about this stuff I just wanted to say that and i read my second to last paragraph when i say "you" i am speaking to the general public not YOU boogie :)
Brenda, I don't have the impression that Obama doesn't care about truly reforming healthcare. I think he would love to make good healthcare readily accessible and affordable to all Americans. But he knows that big money, politicians beholden to it, and an underinformed American public too easily manipulated by conservative demagoguery makes it all but impossible for his administration to usher in the profound reforms he'd like to see. So, he's chosen to settle for a patchwork of partial reforms built around an unjust and inefficient system that places profit above people, and he's hoping that this will bring about immediate improvements that open the door to bigger changes and greater improvements over time. So, it seems to me, Brenda, that you're asking him to make "guarantees" that he doesn't have the power to make.
What kind of healthcare reform would YOU like to see, Brenda? What would you like to see Obama do that he's capable of doing that he's not doing now? To me, this is a hugely important and forbiddingly thorny ethical, political, and economic problem. Many if not most of us acknowledge that things aren't working well now in the so-called "healthcare industry." But how do we fix it? And what role should and can Obama play in this beyond what he's already doing?
Nagarjuna,
Id like to see everyone in the world with health care. It is in fact one of the number one reasons for bankrupcy's in the United States as well as financial stress being one of the main causes in Divorce in our nation. No American should have to pay for health insurance that frankly pays nothing and is being payed to NOT pay. It should be provided to us by the United States. What guarantees the government option will be any different then what we are experiencing now.. Until you REGULATE FRAUDULENT behavior then in my eyes it will continue to occur. If you have ever looked into Frances Health care system it is pretty good and everyone is provided health care.
Brenda, so are you saying that you advocate a well-regulated single-payer system, Medicare for all Americans? If you are, then you and I are on the same page.
But, clearly, this ain't gonna happen anytime soon. At least I don't think it is. Whether you agree or disagree with me on this, what specifically would you like to see Obama do about healthcare that he isn't doing now and which would have a realistic chance of success? You've mentioned something about eliminating fraud. Are you saying that the Obama administration has said or done nothing to address this issue, and, what would you like to see them do about it than they haven't done yet?
I'm not saying you're one of them, Brenda, but I see a lot of people complaining about how Obama either isn't doing enough or he's trying to do too much with this healthcare business, and I'd just like to know what they think he should be doing instead.
A couple of articles from the UK press that some of you may be interested in reading
The last sentance in an article today, which may sum things up quite well
"The healthcare industry has lobbied strongly against a public option, fearing that it will cut into profits"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/05/barack-obama-healthcare-reform
Also a view of our NHS system, from a USA citizen now living in the UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/05/barack-obama-healthcare-reform
Sorry
Link for the second article should be
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2008/dec/19/obama-daschle-us-uk-healthcare-comparison
Tara, what do YOU think of your healthcare system? Those here who vehemently oppose a system like yours say that many in the UK don't like their system and would prefer to have ours. Somehow, I doubt the truth of this. :-) What do YOU think of your system? Would you want to trade it for ours?
Tara, I read the article comparing the NHS to the American system. It reinforces what I already believed. Thanks for the link. I want the NHS system, and I want it NOW. :-)
Fat chance. :-(
http://mobile2.wsj.com/device/article.php?CALL_URL=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124958049241511735.html?
I found this article interesting. Just throwing it out there for anyone that cares to read it.
Nag,
That is exactly what I am saying. I am totally in favor of "well-regulated single-payer system" That is what I want to happen.. Without the worry every day of having to pay to take care of your health would relieve so much every day stress in people's lives it would be life changing. So yes we are on the same page. I also think why is it just acceptable to be like "okay insurance co. rip people off every day make billions of dollars they are TOP PAYING supporters of politicians and they arent held accountable but its okay we all just move on!" Obama is not a dumb man so if hes wants change so damn bad then tell it like it is and quite a sugar coating everything he knows damn well what is happening yet he turns his cheek because he is getting paid too.. SO I am for real change and not just using the word.. as you are.. and I am all for any progress towards that direction but I do not see ownership over anything that is just plain cover up...
Nag & BrendaStar
Our NHS system is certainly not without it’s problems, usually due to Government budgets but there is also always the issue of “inefficiency” in the system and whether this can this be improved upon. The more that medicine and technology advances this obviously adds further to the demands on the NHS.
Health Authorities at a local level do have to make difficult decisions when new drugs or procedures become available, as to whether the NHS can cover the cost in there particular area.
It can sometimes become a “postcode lottery”, as we refer to it in the UK.
Some treatments only available depending exactly where you live.
The cost of our NHS obviously has to paid for from somewhere but this is just part of our overall taxes that we pay, not a set amount per person, but the medical care is available to all regardless, with some costs in certain areas/services, e.g. dental care is difficult to obtain on the NHS and is usually private. Same as paying for glasses.
We pay a set nominal charge for prescriptions in England (no where near the actual cost) and there are many exceptions where no charge is made. Children, over 60's, persons on benefits etc.
We do also have the option of taking out additional private insurance cover if we wish to, but this is probably only taken up my a very small number of people.
Personally I would certainly prefer to have our NHS system, with all it’s faults, than one based entirely on private medical insurance.
We do have peace of mind, that no matter what medical assistance is available.
Tara, Nag...
When I was in england I needed to see a dr and needed an antibiotic, nothing life threatening, but it was important at the time. Anyway I was so impressed with my experience there. I visited a medical office in a mall. The Dr saw me within 30 minutes and my total cost was less than $100 which included the medication I needed. Also, they provided me with the medicine, I didn't have to go to a pharacy.
I was very impressed. I understand that is just one experience and not representive of the larger issue here, but I thought I would share my story:)
Brenda, with all due respect, I don't share your belief that Obama isn't pursuing a single-payer system because he's getting paid off not to. I can't prove that I'm right any more than I surmise that you can prove that you're right. But Obama has said several times that if we could start "from scratch," he would probably if not certainly support a single-payer system.
But the fact of the matter is that it's just not realistic for him to pursue this now. The opposition is too powerful. He can't just snap his presidential fingers and force enough of the right people to fall in line to make it happen.
Thus, I think it's unfair to blame him for this. I think he's doing the best he can under almost impossible circumstances to achieve ANY kind of reform.
I would also say that I think it's unfair to accuse everyone who opposes healthcare reform as doing it because they're being paid off. I don't doubt that this is true of some and maybe even many. But I also suspect that there are legislators whose only or major interest in this is not monetary or political but philosophical. They believe that government shouldn't expand any more than it has and that healthcare is a privilege and not a right and that it should be provided by the allmighty private sector.
I disagree with them as strongly as it's possible to disagree with anyone about anything, but I still want to be fair and not make blanket attributions of unsavory motives that may not apply to every one in the opposition camp.
Coonhound
Just to add that you were only charged any cost (less than $100) simply because it would appear that you were seen as a "private patient" not seen directly under the NHS.
If it had been me in the same circumstances visiting my GP there would have been no charge at all.
Testing.
Testing again.
I think that the Republicans in the USA are feeding the press with a lot of proganda against Obama's plans, and IMO it certainly would be on the basis of financial lost to the medical insurers.
Another interesting article in the UK, just viewing the situation from our perspective.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1205953/NHS-branded-evil-Orwellian-high-level-US-politicians.html
Tara...
I seriously can't complain though. Unfortunately had it happened to you here in the US it would have taken longer to be seen, been much more paperwork and at a higher cost.
So I was grateful. I want to say that my cost was more specifically $85.
CoonHound
Luckily most UK citizens realise that it would be very un-wise to visit the USA without taking out adequate private medical insurance before hand.
Tara,
This summer I had to visit our hospital's ER (emergency room). It is the first time I have ever been to an emergency room for care as an adult. My reason to go was for an ear ache. It was very serious and I could not wait until Monday when the typical family physician's office would be open.
Anyway, the paperwork was rediculous, I waited 4+ hours to be seen and it cost me $150, which is my insurance co-pay for ER visits.
The doctor was wonderful and I received the required medicine from the hospital.
Of course, had my reason for going to the ER been of a more serious nature my co-pay would have still been the same.
Tara,
At what point does your NHS start to get debatable as far as covered conditions for an adult (not a child or senior)?
For example, how does coverage and care work for a 40 year old woman who is diagnosed with cancer, say breast cancer...
CoonHound
Would it have been the same cost $150 to you if, for example something serious like a heart attack, and you needed to stay in hospital, would your insurance still have covered you ?
Nagarjuna...
What happened? You just run away when coonhound appears???
(Whatever)
Tara,
If it had been a heart attack, yes I would still be covered up to a maximum limit. I'd have to get my policy out to know the limit.
Tara,
If it had been a heart attack, yes I would still be covered up to a maximum limit. I'd have to get my policy out to know the limit.
Coonhound
"For example, how does coverage and care work for a 40 year old woman who is diagnosed with cancer, say breast cancer..."
She would be referred by her GP as a matter of urgency to see a hospital consultant. Luckily I do not know from experience, but I believe that in suspect cancer cases you would see a consultant within days or a week or so.
There would be no charges to the patient, regardless of what treatment was subsequently needed.
Tara,
If it had been a heart attack, yes I would still be covered up to a maximum limit. I'd have to get my policy out to know the limit.
Tara,
If it had been a heart attack, yes I would still be covered up to a maximum limit. I'd have to get my policy out to know the limit.
Tara,
If it had been a heart attack, yes I would still be covered up to a maximum limit. I'd have to get my policy out to know the limit.
Tara,
If it had been a heart attack, yes I would still be covered up to a maximum limit. I'd have to get my policy out to know the limit.
Tara,
If it had been a heart attack, yes I would still be covered up to a maximum limit. I'd have to get my policy out to know the limit.
Nagarjuna,
See and I guess this is where you and I differ i see differently about Obama then you. I never said Obama is to blame for it all either.. That never came out of my mouth...So id like to clarify that, this has to do with a lot more people then just Obama. Its obvious to me you are a big Obama supporter because you defend him.
I know the health care system can not be changed over night and we do have to make steps to get there. But I know form experience if they base their pay rate on Medicare we should all just kiss our health care goodbye..Medicare barely reimburses anything at all. All insurance co. base their pay rate on Medicare what has Obama said about this? How will this government option's reimbursement Dollar amount be set up and what will it be based on? Will the businesses (doctors) and (facilities) and (Labs) and (anesthesiologist) and ( Health care Specialist) that utilize the government option have to be contracted with them and if so how will that work? Because contracting is a big thing with reimbursement with insurance providers. So I need to know how they will base that and if its Medicare we have a problem. Will the government option be able to deny and not pay for people's procedures as the private insurances are able to do to people now? When it is a required need for the patient to have this done? Will doctors have to keep jacking up there rates in order to be paid more? See these are the questions that I have and that I want Obama to address. I am not going to go along with this until he does these are things that have to be answered for me. That and lot of other questions. I do not believe that is how he wants i tot be or he really start to make moves to do so and call out the people that are doing this to people and change this. Health care is a basic human right.
Tara,
If it had been a heart attack, yes I would still be covered up to a maximum limit. I'd have to get my policy out to know the limit.
Tara,
Piece of mind is worth a thousand words.. my mother has Stage 3 advanced cancer and she sometimes will contemplate not having her kemo because of the cost of her kemo treatments.
Coonhound
"For example, how does coverage and care work for a 40 year old woman who is diagnosed with cancer, say breast cancer..."
She would be referred by her GP as a matter of urgency to a hospital consultant. Luckily I haven’t had personal experience, but I believe this would be within days or a week or so at the most, especially in cases of suspected cancer.
There would be no charge to the patient, including any further treatment that may be needed.
Tara,
The insurance still would have covered her but it would have costed much much more then $150.00 it would have been in the thousands.. high thousands. depending on what her out of pocket expense it on her insurance and what they decide to cover and dont makes up how much you pay as a citizen then the doctor is payed this contracted amount or in out of network amount because he is not contracted.
Tara,
I have had to call Germany Sweden and other countries in regards to foreign insurance policies for accident in the USA during travels Germany laughed at how much we charge for surgery they were astounded when I quoted them the price.
Tara,
It is not just republican against Obama. I do not agree with the republicans right now about their side at all. They say keep it how it is basically..
Boogie,
What is your occupation? Just curious.. You have a secretary i know that..hmmm.... :)
is there anybody out there?
are you guys getting that error message? your comments still post.
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Coonhound,
I hope you got my reply from earlier. :)
BrendaStar: What I find really upsetting about this comment you left me this a.m.
"Yes it IS ONLY NEW YORKERS THAT CAN JOIN THIS RIGHT NOW!!!"
Not only do I think the entire nation was harmed and should have a say in any such vote, but more importantly.... Many of the victims' families did not live in New York. So, how is it that the victims' families are being heard here. My best friend's husband's sister died at the Towers on 9/11. They live here. How are all the victims being heard in this?
TheBoogieManHater,
I just meant that it wa sonly them right now but I was using it as pont to say if half the people actually living in new yoork think this then it should be looked at. Thats all I meant by that statement I am sorry if i offended you in any way as it was not and would never be my intent. I agree with you that is why I said that I was not sure what a state needed to do to get on the bill. I agree that the entire world was wronged that day not just New York. I am aware that everyones family probably did not live in New York that they probably lived all over the world.
I mean I live in California and I lost no one and I do not know anyone when that actually occured that had. But I am still very passionate about the subject.. I was saying that the people that were standing there in plain sight that actually witnessed this occur do not believe the official story that was it. I wa sin no way trying to discredit anyone else's family and or pain and would never want to do so.
now my feeling are hurt
Brenda, are you getting all my messages? Hold on, I will copy and paste them. This blog keeps going in and out. I did not mean to hurt your feelings.
I lost the time on this one, but it was right after your post. I am sorry BrendaStar, that didn't sound right, did it. You never offended me... it was the article that I read this morning... and only with thought about your reply to me. I think probably only half of the victim's families live in New York. It just irritates me that the entire US cannot be involved or heard in this, but special conditions should certainly be made for any family member.
Here is another tidbit of news on the Garrido matter.
Feds Withhold Garrido Parole Documents
California Inspector General Reviews State's Handling Of Case
POSTED: 5:39 pm PDT October 5, 2009
UPDATED: 7:08 pm PDT October 5, 2009
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- California parole officials aren't alone in sidestepping questions about Phillip Garrido's parole supervision: Federal authorities are withholding records and information in the case.Garrido is charged with kidnapping and sexually assaulting Jaycee Lee Dugard, who disappeared from her home near Lake Tahoe in 1991. He's pleaded not guilty and is being held in El Dorado County.Garrido was on federal and then state parole during the time he allegedly took Dugard from a bus stop and then held her for nearly two decades at his Antioch home.How federal and California state parole agents supervised Garrido all those years has fallen under close scrutiny since his arrest in late August.KCRA 3 requested Garrido's U.S. Parole Commission file. The commission sent 19 pages of documents from the file, and a letter stating it was "withholding 92 pages in full" because releasing those pages would invade the personal privacy of third parties.Garrido's federal parole lasted from 1988 to March 1999. The U.S. Parole Commission terminated his parole early, saying "you are deserving of an early discharge. You are commended for having responded positively to supervision and for the personal accomplishments you have made. The commission trusts that you will continue to be a productive citizen and obey the laws of society."
Boogie,
i dont know that last message i got was you telling me you were not happy with me and I am sorry that that paragraph came out not the way I intended it to sound...
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I am not unhappy with you, or your words.... I am very grateful for your replies and information. Just unhappy with how they are saying in the papers that the Supreme Court is hearing this for the families, yet, not all the families live there. The live throughout the USA and other countries as well.
Boogie,
I know can you believe that? But Jaycees attorney is a really good attorney and what i have heard is that they are pressing to have those releases and its Jaycees moms mission to have this never happen to another child again. She is trying to change sex offender parole laws with this whole event..and make sure the laws are stricter...
I got a message from Google yesterday, asking me if I had was having problems with a Google account holder.
I wonder if that is why the blog is having problems. (?)
It is good, then it is acting a little unstable. How is it on your end BrendaStar.
I am sure they will get bits and pieces of it at a time. If the Fed's were smart, they would release it all at once and get it over with. They cannot hold it forever. Ultimately the world will know what they did, and ultimately they will have to start cleaning up the other overlooked predators and searching their back yards!
Thank you Boogie I would never want to discredit another families pain unintentionally but I am glad you think I did not do that and I apologize for misinterpreting you..In my head I was like NOOO thats not what I meant!!! :) lol...
Please don't think that. I really do respect you, what you do, and what your life is about.
Boogie,
"ultimately they will have to start cleaning up the other overlooked predators and searching their back yards"
I totally agree with you... oh yeah and the whole non registering for a decade in California.. how the hec did that happen??
well every time i poet a comment i get an error message... but it still post so i just keep writing i just cant view my commnts on the blog itself but in e mail which is the norm for me anyways but yeah thats what is happening.. i didnt get that e mail??? hmmm what account was giving people problems?
I respect you too Boogie thank you. :) I appreciate your kind words..
I get really emotional over this stuff. When I think about that I just want to tear into someone. Do you know in the transcript of his trial for the kidnapping and rape of the adult woman, I don't remember her name, and she would probably appreciate me not saying, but in that first trial.... Garrido sat on the stand and testified to that fact that he used to go to school grounds, watch the little girls and jack-off? Did you know that he eventually started getting out of his car and exposing himself to these little girls at grade schools? Did you know the he jacked off in front of some. This is what he testified to in the Federal Courts. Did you know that the Courts did not list him as a pedophile, as a child stalker, as a danger to our children?
Yes sadly I am aware of all of that and I get so pissed also thinking about how our children are let down every day by our systems that do not protect them...
the worst part is, they will pay attention from a while because they know the public's outrage, but as soon as people let their guards down, they will forget about it again. I don't think there is any room for error anymore, and that is why I believe in the death penalty.
Most would never believe about me that I never used to believe in the death penalty. But I never did. As you grow up and realize that people like Garrido always are given the benefit over and above our innocent women and children and let out time and time again. Very seldom do murder's get out, but they are starting to release them after little time also. We just cannot have that. It is becoming absurd that noone can safely walk through ANY neighborhood anymore. There are criminals everywhere!!!! What is it going to take. Serious business, that is what.
I can imagine it.
BrendaStar: I brought a couple hours of work home with me today. I better close up here, make a cup of coffee and get to it. I haven't read all your comments yet. When I get a chance to sort them out, I'll read through and respond where necessary, Okay? For some reason, they came in separate e-mails most of the day today.... Which is good LOL, I can weed out some of the others. You take care and have a nice evening.
it too disgust me that so many cruel individuals are allowed to roam free among us and hurt us when they know what they are capable of. I can not believe he was not listed as a child predator what a failure in the system hugh... makes me sick
you too thank you Boogie hope work goes smoothly and I look forward to your replies to me :) I hope you have a wonderful evening.. and I will be on for a little bit but other wise back tomorrow afternoon evening sometime.. Take care and as always its been a pleasure :) (minus my interpretation) lol... :) giggle...
LOL... I am really sorry you had to even feel like I meant that for even those few minutes. :) Goodnight.
Boogie,
Aww you are sweet thank you.. :) Goodnight.. Until we meet again :)
Interesting fact!
A mans pointer finger will always be longer then a womens ring finger and a womens ring finger will always be longer then a mans pointer finger.
:) food for thought! lol..
(10-05) 22:17 PDT OAKLEY, CALIF. -- Ten months after Jaycee Dugard was snatched off a South Lake Tahoe street in 1991, a caller told police he thought he had just seen the girl at an Oakley gas station, staring for a long time at a picture of herself on a "missing" poster, authorities told The Chronicle on Monday.
The call came from a pay telephone at a Chevron station that is less than 2 miles from the home outside Antioch where police now say Dugard was held for 18 years in a backyard compound of sheds and tents by Phillip Craig Garrido and his wife, Nancy Garrido.
The man who called in the tip to the Contra Costa County Sheriff's Office reported seeing the girl return to a yellow van, possibly a Dodge, authorities said Monday. Last month, police towed away a dilapidated, yellow Dodge Ram van with flat tires that was half-buried in dirt behind the home of Dugard's kidnap suspects.
Sheriff's Capt. Dan Terry confirmed the possible early sighting of Dugard after being asked about it Monday by The Chronicle.
Terry said such tips are common in criminal cases that are highly publicized, as Dugard's kidnapping was in the early 1990s. He said his agency had responded appropriately, sending a deputy to the gas station, but that the yellow van was gone, as was the caller - who did not leave his name and has never come forward.
"We don't know if there was any truth to it," said Terry, who is head of investigations for his agency. "We don't know if it was real or a hoax. Nothing ever came of it."
Terry said the call was made about 6 p.m. on April 22, 1992, almost a year after Dugard was abducted on June 10, 1991, while she waited alone on a South Lake Tahoe street for a school bus. She was 11 when she was kidnapped and is now 29.
Police had no license plate to track and no good location to stake out, Terry said, and the caller did not say which direction the van had driven. He said dispatchers would have alerted other officers to be on the lookout for the van, and that a copy of the report had been sent to investigators in El Dorado County, who were leading the search for Dugard.
The Sheriff's Office searched for Dugard's name in a database after she was found in late August and unearthed the old incident report, Terry said.
The Garridos have pleaded not guilty to charges that they kidnapped and raped Dugard. She had two of Phillip Garrido's children and eventually helped him run a printing business, authorities said.
After Dugard was found, Contra Costa County Sheriff Warren Rupf apologized for an incident in which a deputy had missed a potential opportunity in 2006 to spot Dugard.
A neighbor of the Garridos told authorities that "little girls and women" appeared to be living in the backyard, but the deputy left after delivering only a warning about potential code violations, Rupf said.
The Chevron station, located on a rural stretch of road near Highway 4, was owned in 1992 by Jimmy Bean of Antioch. His wife, Jane Shearrer, said Monday that her husband was out of town and could not be reached. She said she had no recollection of the station being connected to a possible sighting of Dugard.
McGregor Scott, a Sacramento attorney who is acting as a spokesman for Dugard and her family, declined to comment on the possible sighting. A spokesman for the El Dorado County Sheriff's Office did not return a call.
Good Morning Boogie... we're baaaaack. LOL
I was just reading that story and was preparing to post it when I saw you already did. Isn't that a shame. Will be anxious to hear if anyone was in the store with her while she looked at her flier. I will bet she wanted so much to take the flier to the cashier and tell him/her that it was her, please call the police. Poor baby. I just cannot imagine her pain.
Everything went great! Thanks for the care package. Mike is doing much better now. The surgery went so much better than the doctor thought. They placed the rubber heal in the cast afterall, so he is up and about some now. We are not going in to the office today, but will be there tomorrow with bells on.
Please stop by after work. We have something for you :) Don't you just love it!!!!
Hi. Missed ya and so glad to hear it went well! Yahoooooooo Mike!
I agree, it is just heart wrenching to hear this. This one kind of makes me ill to think about. I will bet if they can find that witness, he will be at the trial.
I hardly had any sleep last night. Working and then just getting a little news this a.m. I am a bit afraid to get some sleep, I might not wake up in time. I have a 9:00 a.m. hearing. I think I will grab a couple files from the office afterward and come back home and take a nap, then catch up on work. I'll give you a call later this p.m. So, so, so glad everything went well. See you later.
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