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If my memory serves me correctly, Arnold (not even gonna try to sp), the govenor of CA, does NOT want to early-release any prisoners...rather the state of CA court system has ordered him to do so bc of the inmate population is so max'ed out.
Regarding what I googled...I'll see if I can figure it out for you.
I'll be back in a bit.
Samantha, I'm not certain what key words I entered to get that hit...sorry.
I was just reading an article about an Islam rally on Capitol hill. I wonder if the communities should get together for a rally on capitol hill to push for the tougher sentences and resolve of the pedophile issues. I know at least one hundred good cops that would love to go, as well as keep the rally civil. Anyone interested?
"That is your testament on how well you listen. Some people just don't have good hearts because they are selfish. It's all about them and what they want."
My "testament"? I think I've listened very well to your superficial answers and that it's YOU who haven't listened very well to ME. Because every time you or someone presents "selfishness" as the grand answer to the riddle of someone like a Philip Garrido, I ask, "Well, WHY are they THAT selfish?" and you don't have an answer, nor do you seem able or, at least, willing to understand the implications of my question.
"I most certainly do not take the words of an atheist to tell me how to be a Christian, or guilt me into allowing people to tell me I must let them live and continually destroy innocent lives of decent people."
Well, first of all, I think it's more accurate to characterize me as agnostic than atheistic. Second, it would appear that this here agnostic is acting a whole lot more Christian here than YOU when he suggests to you that clamoring to have someone executed because you don't want to pay for his lifetime incarceration is not very Christike. You'd do well to listen to ole Naggy on this. :-) And, finally, perhaps you would be so kind as to explain to us how keeping Garrido locked up in a maximum security prison for the rest of his life allows him to "continually destroy innocent lives of decent people." I'd love to hear your impeccable logic on this one, Boggieman. :-)
Nag Nag Nag Nag Nag. Antagonistic is more like it than agnostic. This is not an attack by any means, it is what you are doing.
Why do you insist on keeping an argument going. These people are trying to avoid you and your bantering and attacks and you keep going on with it. Who and what are you really trying to address here?
Boogie, the way I understand the appeals process, even if it's a clear-cut case and the person has pled guilty, it is the sentence that can be appealed. Particularly the death sentence. Garrido would be able to appeal just like anyone else.
I have to say something. I do not apologize for the joke. The comment was very much how I feel.
I do feel sorry for anyone that is sticken with a sick and evil mind. The same as I am sorry that my father got me addicted to drugs, and I was stricken with an illness. The same with my cousin. I feel sorry for her that she cant shake her addiction. I feel sorry for all sicknesses.
But I also feel the same as I have been saying all along in relation to a rabid dog. They have GOT to be put down. For others safety, as well for the dogs own misery.
Now you will want to bring up the fact that I had a sickness, and I got over it. But I controlled my sickness very well. I did not do evil, harmful things against others. Even though I was tempted to so many times. Had I done anything vile towards anyone, I can guarantee you, I would turn myself in this day and face my consequences. I would not ask for mercy. I promise you that.
Well, besides the times that I was fighting with other "sick" drug addicts and losers and we stabbed each other up. I think criminal on criminal crimes are even steven. Criminals cannot be counted as VICTIMS.
"I do feel sorry for anyone that is sticken with a sick and evil mind."
Sure you do, Denise. You feel so "sorry" for them that you joke about "frying" them and then take pride it in afterward.
"But I controlled my sickness very well. I did not do evil, harmful things against others."
WHY didn't you harm others, Denise?
Last night and this morning I was with my 6 months old grandson. He is learning to stand up on his own, and he is doing so many new and amazing things. Its miraculous to watch him grow.
When he was sleeping, I was thinking how much he looked exactly like a miniature of his Daddy.
I thought about Jaycee and her 2 daughters the entire time I had my nieto. I thought of how Jaycee's mother only gets to know her granddaughters at the age they are. She missed out on so much. And I wonder if she will ever look at the girls and see their father in them. I wonder how she will feel. I know she will push any bad thoughts she might have quickly out and away from her mind. But it will surely be difficult.
Nagarjuna, criminals are never victims. It is upsetting to me, when you see the world from your protected surroundings, and try to philosophize some kind of text book excuse.
No matter WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY Garrido did what he did. He needs to FRY. Yes, I said it, FRY. There is plenty of time for a criminal to ask for forgiveness in mere seconds after he has committed his vile sins. So no matter how fast he is exterminated, he has had more time to repent than his victims have had.
Denise were you sick or stoned?
"This is not an attack by any means, it is what you are doing."
I can see where the lynch mob here would consider a voice of reason to be "antagonistic." But if you want me to stop, show me how my arguments are wrong. Drop the personal attacks and address my arguments substantively. Lead me to the light of your superior understanding. :-)
who attacked you Nag? It is you who attack anyone who disagrees with you.
I am nothing but a simple cop who sees extraordinary cruelty on the streets every day. It grows and it grows and it grows and human cops can no longer cope. We put them away, and people like you give them excuses to help them get out. I disagree with you that prison is the answer. It never has been and it never will be. When persons such as yourself start shouting from the rooftops that the "system" is abusing prisoners by making them work, chain gangs, or at any other source for them to pay their own way behind prison walls, their existence and opportunities for release continues to harm the public. They bleed the funds which are so desperately needed throughout the United States.
Let me hear how you would successfully address these moral issues of the homeless, hungry citizens of the United States while continuing to support these criminals and maybe there would be a discussion between us.
"Nagarjuna, criminals are never victims. It is upsetting to me, when you see the world from your protected surroundings, and try to philosophize some kind of text book excuse."
Denise, it is "upsetting" to me to see you continue to trot out your "experience" as some kind of proof that my arguments are unsound. Has it ever occurred to you your experience is irrelevant to what I'm saying? You could have been around a million criminals when you were growing up and fail to understand the roots of their criminality. Sure criminals like Garrido are victims. They're victims of the internal and external conditions that combined to CAUSE them to act the way they did, and now they're suffering the consequences of what those conditions CAUSED them to do.
What is so difficult to understand about this? Understanding it needn't detract from your empathy and sympathy for the Jaycee Dugards of the world. It isn't an either/or proposition--either you empathize and sympathize with the Dugards or you empathize and sympathize with the Garridos. No, you can with BOTH. They are ALL clearly, to those who open their eyes, minds, and hearts, VICTIMS of the factors that combined in a terrible way to cause terrible acts that caused terrible harm to the Dugards and will now will likely bring terrible harm to those who inflicted that harm through no ultimate fault of their own.
And still you revel in the thought of seeing one of these victims "fry" and defend your joking about it.
"You feel so "sorry" for them that you joke about "frying" them and then take pride it in afterward."
It was not a joke. I was very much serious.
"WHY didn't you harm others, Denise?"
Why dont you tell me why I didnt, Nagarjuna. You always ask WHY questions, but you do not even have the answers. It reminds me of the school joke where the teacher asks the smartaleck kid a question, and they reply, 'Dont you already know? You are the teacher'
And as I have said before, it really doesnt matter why I did not commit vile and harmful acts against others. The important matter is that I did not.
We do not need to ask WHY I ate that second piece of cake. I did it, and now I am fat.
It would be like me having an accident in my G6, and smashing it more than the Escalade that I considered buying would have been. Then sitting around asking myself, WHY didnt I buy the Escalade instead. In the end results, the Whys really do not matter.
Maybe you should figure out why these people do what they do and find the cure, BEFORE the next person strikes. Then we all here will finally understand and feel better, Nagarjuna.
When, Samantha? lol I have been both, a few times. Can you be more specific please.
Samantha:"I am nothing but a simple cop who sees extraordinary cruelty on the streets every day. It grows and it grows and it grows and human cops can no longer cope. We put them away, and people like you give them excuses to help them get out. I disagree with you that prison is the answer. It never has been and it never will be. When persons such as yourself start shouting from the rooftops that the "system" is abusing prisoners by making them work, chain gangs, or at any other source for them to pay their own way behind prison walls, their existence and opportunities for release continues to harm the public. They bleed the funds which are so desperately needed throughout the United States. "
May I use this when I go to speak with officials, as soon as I get enough notes together?
I'm on board with denise's rabid dog analogy.
It makes me terribly sad to kill any living creature. I am a dog/animal lover, hence the screen name "coonhound."
Sometimes on our farm we have to kill bc our cows are being preyed upon by coyotes .
Coyotes are amazing creatures, but they will prey on young livestock from time to time.
Its amzing to watch a cow herd work together to protect the calfs.
My husband and I don't bother the coyotes unless we see them stalking our herd. In which case, the guns do come out and the coyote is down.
Just thought I'd add that very unusual piece of info.
Denise you can use whatever you want from this blog, this is public domain
All in the name of protection. Isn't this the analogy of those for the death sentence to pedophiles?
meaning that analogy of Coonhounds
Nagarjuna, I have already told you a bazillion times that I do understand everything that you say. But I will never feel sorry for Garrido.
And I have said also that what I said about frying, WAS NOT A JOKE. So if you continue to say that I am priding in my "joke", then you are not credible enough for me to speak with. After it has been stated that something is NOT a joke, please ask yourself WHY do I continue to call it a "joke" after Denise has clearly stated several times that she was not joking. Very juvenile, and I wish you would stop.
I appear to be a bit slow. Denise you are very witty.
"We do not need to ask WHY I ate that second piece of cake. I did it, and now I am fat."
I am sorry Denise, I could not figure this question out:
denise said...
When, Samantha? lol I have been both, a few times. Can you be more specific please.
Coonhound, I am also an animal lover. So much so that I am a vegetarian. Can I ask you one question? Do you raise your "livestock", I mean your amazing cows that herd together to Protect their own, in order to be eventually used as food? :(
Im sorry, I know that is a touchy subject. Im actually kind of laughing to myself, because I know this is way off topic, and it is only a personal thing of my own, and please do not think I am trying to start an argument or even a discussion on this. It is just that I feel compelled to say something each time I see something relating to animals and farms, etc. :) Do not answer. I just felt the need to get that out. lol :) Sorry. peace
Samantha, you asked me if I was sick or stoned. And my answer was, When? I have been both sick and stoned, a few times in my life.
And I do feel as Nagarjuna does. That rape, pedophilia, alcoholism, drug addiction, or addiction of any type, is an illness of the mind. But do we not all have illnesses of some kind that we have to control?
I think I will just sit around and eat cake and potato chips (Midnight Taco Doritos) all day every day, until I am so fat I cant walk, then I am going to go sit on Nagarjunas front door step for the rest of my life and see if he feels so sorry for my "uncontrollable eating disorder" that he will not mind paying for my upkeep forever. :)
Okay I understand. I was referring to a comment you said, that your father got you addicted to drugs. (In my mind I was shaken) but your next comment said that you were stricken with an illness.
I understand your point.
I do not believe rapists of any kind have an illness that "made them do it". There has been very much argument over this. Someone in here, Coonhound to be exact posted a site regarding psychologists study, result and requests to the government regarding this. Psychological studies have shown that illness of any kind was not the cause of any person, man or woman to rape or sodomize. The have vowed it is a personal act of their own chosing and do not want to see the government sentence these people to mental health institutions. They cannot protect the patients from them and they cannot cure what is not an illness so it made no sense for the courts to sentence them as if they were ill.
I myself have arrested and sat in on interviews of rapists. They are not crazy. They are usually appearing just as anyone you would meet on the streets. Sometimes a lot more sarcastic and smug, but that does not last long.
It is near time to get to work. Take care to take care, God be with you. Goodbye.
Ummm, its ok that you asked, its really not touchy to me anymore. I say that bc I was not raised in this, but married into it. Lol.
I am not a vegetarian, I do eat all meat, fish and dairy products.
Raising animals for food is not an issue to me, but HOW it is done is an issue to me.
Our herds are all cows with one bull per herd. They roam and mate freely. They eat from the grass in their pasture, nothing is done to "fatten" the calves up for the sale barn.
The calves are taken to the sale barn once the mother has naturally weened them.
The calves will end up at a larger farm where they will play some role in providing the meat sold at your local grocery or restaurant.
All cows that reproduce for us live out their natural lives on are farm. This is important to me. Often older cows will be shipped to sale, bought, and end up being slaughtered for things like dog food. We do not ship off a cow bc she is no longer a monetary benefit to us.
At times we do hold on to a female calf, she'll become a heffer which is a young cow, and we will place her in another herd so their is no in-breeding. I like it when we keep heffers bc I know they have a very good and safe life here with us.
We can't keep them all bc we don't have enough property. That's just a realization I've had to accept in the matter.
I have many farm stories to tell!
Samantha, you said you do not believe that any rapist has an illness. And this may be true, as you said you have personal experience with speaking to them and interviewing them directly.
But, as Nagarjuna has said, and I agree. Nobody in "their right and sane mind" could ever think about raping a child.
When I say this, I think of my own lifes experiences, which apparently Nagarjuna feels have no merit in the things I say or feel.
I can think about the time that I thought I would hurt my daughter, uncontrollably, because I was going through a rough time (pathetic as it is, a boyfriend had left me, and I thought I would die). My daughter was of course so needy at her age. But during this time, I was too "out of it" to tend to her needs. That did not stop her from wanting to be near me, with me and needing me. Each time she touched me, I closed my eyes and wanted her to go away and leave me alone. She wouldnt, of course, because she did not understand.
Anyhow, I know that at any moment, I could have "snapped out" and hurt her. Do you understand what I am saying? I would not hurt her purposefully. Never. But I felt as if I was losing my mind, and control. I did, however, do the responsible thing and Hotlined myself before she could be harmed.
And once, I and my boys' father were fighting. I had a gun. I kept shooting around him. I didnt want to hit him, but I remember wishing that I was crazy enough to actually hit him with no regard to consequences, or God,or my children, or him being hurt or even dead. Those things scared me and stopped me. Even though he had beat the crap out of me and was coming towards me to beat on me some more. I shot at him only to stop him, but I was wishing I had enough gangster in me to just blast him. I do not know if I would have, if he didnt finally leave. But I do know, that in the moment that I actually shot the gun, and realized that I hit him, my head would be one extreme darkness, and I would later regret what I had done. I would be too ashamed to walk the streets after that, knowing what I had not only done to him, but to his family. I would deserve death.
Coonhound, I love your farm stories. Awesome!
I especially liked this:
"We do not ship off a cow bc she is no longer a monetary benefit to us."
I struggle with this myself. When my chickens stop laying, what do I do with them? (I don't eat meat, so chicken soup is not an option.) I have a small backyard flock. One chicken that had stopped laying six months before got an injury to her comb and died a couple weeks later -- I think she must have gotten blood poisoning. I had been wondering what to do with her. I don't have a lot of room--I don't really want more than four chickens at a time, and I want them all to be productive. I'm in a quandary. A friend who does eat meat said he could honor her life the best by turning her into soup. I was leaning that way, but then the "problem" took care of itself.
My favorite solution would be to move somewhere with enough land that the older hens could live out their lives.
Coonhound, I would love to hear your farm stories, as long as they are not morbid and about chickens flopping, etc. lol
I actually lived on a farm for awhile in Washington state when I was a child. It was great, but it was also horrible horrible.
Samantha, stay safe out there fighting crime. I think its great that you are a cop, by the way. My best friend was a cop in Sacramento. She was a cop and I was a drug addict in the 80's. She would get off work, and spoof her hair out, throw on a tiny dress with the big wide belt across the waist. And some high heel boots and off to the wildest parties we would go. It always seemed strange to me that she was a cop and could party so hard at nights.
Goblinbee,
I've considered getting chickens for personal use for the fresh eggs. I love to cook, especially BAKE! And I've heard that fresh homegrown eggs make the best baked goods!!!
I know I'm gonna have to bake a cake after this conversation...(Yum yum)
Coonhound, occassionally when I'm making chocolate chip cookies, I wander out to the coop to look for eggs, bring in a warm one, and crack a nice, warm, freshly-laid egg into the batter. It is such a good feeling.
Yea! Let's turn this into a farm blog! LOL
Goblinee,
Until you find yourself able to have more property I don't see anything wrong with your friends "soup solution." Its a thoughtful, sincere and productive solution. Tell him to be sure to make chicken stock w the bones if it ever comes up again.
Geez...now I'm thinking about chicken n dumplins...mmmmmmmm.
Goblinee,
So it is true. Fresh homegrown eggs taste much different than store bought? And especially make homemade baked goods even better?
Coonhound, and do you also get milk from your cows? If I owned any farm animals it would be only for milk, and maybe eggs, like Goblinbee has. I would love to have horses. I wish animals produced Midnight Taco Doritos. lol We are hooked on them here.
My friend has a huge ranch in Texas and I told him that we are going to go out to all 900 or 9000 cows and bond with them and give them names. lol Each time I speak with him, he lies to me and tells me that each and every one of them are still there and safe and sound.
Oh my gosh, Goblinbee. That sounded too disgusting. A nice warm fresh egg. Straight out the shooter. Ick. lol I couldnt eat those eggs. Also, fresh eggs always have blood in them and sometimes there are dead baby chicks that had half developed. :(
Oh gosh, I am considering being a Vegan now.
Our cows aren't milk cows, they're a different cow from beef cows.
My son has had a fever of more than 101 since Tuesday. The flu and strep tests came back negative and he has been taking 2 amox every 12 hours for 3 days. I am starting to really be worried. The doctors office is closed today too. I will have to wait until tomorrow morning to take him to the doctor. Unless one of you have any advice you would care to offer.
Coonhound, how can that be possible that some cows dispense milk while others do not? Im not being sarcastic or argumentative. I am curious to know.
Samantha--
"who attacked you Nag? It is you who attack anyone who disagrees with you."
Fair question. I use "attack" loosely to mean comments impugning my motives for posting the arguments I do here instead of addressing those arguments themselves. It's fine to disagree with me. But tell me what it is in my arguments that you disagree with and why instead of diverting the discussion to, "Why are you here?" or "You must be a pedophile or rapist to defend pedophiles and rapists."
"I am nothing but a simple cop who sees extraordinary cruelty on the streets every day."
I'm glad you shared that with us, Samantha, so that we know your perspective. It could enrich our discussion.
It grows and it grows and it grows and human cops can no longer cope."
Why do you think it "grows and grows," Samantha? Because you're not getting "tough enough" and "frying" them as fast as you can? What would you like to see done to solve or at least make a dent in this problem?
"We put them away, and people like you give them excuses to help them get out."
I haven't advocated that they "get out." I've said from the outset that people like Garrido should be quarantined for life or executed.
"It never has been and it never will be. When persons such as yourself start shouting from the rooftops that the "system" is abusing prisoners by making them work, chain gangs, or at any other source for them to pay their own way behind prison walls, their existence and opportunities for release continues to harm the public."
I agree with you that prisoners should be required to work to help support their keep, as long as it's done humanely.
"Let me hear how you would successfully address these moral issues of the homeless, hungry citizens of the United States while continuing to support these criminals and maybe there would be a discussion between us."
Well, I think it might be more instructive at this point to hear what you, an experienced peace officer, believe should be done. Do you believe that we should have mass executions of everyone convicted of sexual offenses?
"And I have said also that what I said about frying, WAS NOT A JOKE. So if you continue to say that I am priding in my "joke", then you are not credible enough for me to speak with."
I'm sorry Denise, but after reading the following, I guess I got the indelible impression that you WERE joking about "frying" them. But if you say you weren't, so be it.
"Ok. I have decided. Lets all, everyone in this room, take a moment to feel sorry for the Garridos. :( boo hoo. I feel so sorry for them to be so sick :( Such a shame for them. :(
Ok, now lets get to frying them before they have a chance to escape :) "
"fresh eggs always have blood in them and sometimes there are dead baby chicks that had half developed."
Not true! My chickens' eggs have almost never had blood in them--maybe once or twice in the three years I have had them.
Also, there can be no baby chicks without a rooster. My eggs are all unfertilized.
And, hey, that store egg you ate yesterday or last week came "out the shooter" at some point! I guess I'm used to it because I was raised with chickens.
"Why dont you tell me why I didnt, Nagarjuna. You always ask WHY questions, but you do not even have the answers."
I think the general answer is obvious, Denise. The general answer is that something stopped you from acting out your wayward desires. You're in a better position to explain precisely what that was than I am. For instance, you've said that your fear and love of the Lord stopped you. But the point is, SOMETHING STOPPED YOU. But I don't recall your ever answering my question, "Well, what if you want to rob or molest or rape and you didn't believe in God or you didn't have a conscience or any empathy for the pain you would cause, what would sop you THEN?"
And the point I'm trying to make, which you keep saying you understand but obviously don't, is that, ultimately, the person who doesn't believe in God or have a normal conscience or sense of empathy is CAUSED by conditions he did not choose to be that way.
It reminds me of the school joke where the teacher asks the smartaleck kid a question, and they reply, 'Dont you already know? You are the teacher'
And as I have said before, it really doesnt matter why I did not commit vile and harmful acts against others. The important matter is that I did not.
We do not need to ask WHY I ate that second piece of cake. I did it, and now I am fat.
It would be like me having an accident in my G6, and smashing it more than the Escalade that I considered buying would have been. Then sitting around asking myself, WHY didnt I buy the Escalade instead. In the end results, the Whys really do not matter.
Maybe you should figure out why these people do what they do and find the cure, BEFORE the next person strikes. Then we all here will finally understand and feel better, Nagarjuna.
"Fresh homegrown eggs taste much different than store bought? And especially make homemade baked goods even better?"
Coonhound, I do think fresh eggs taste better. What I love about mine is how deep orange the yolks are, and how high the white and yolk sit up when you break them into a frying pan or mixing bowl. FRESH.
I don't know if they affect the quality of baked goods. But, psychologically, it is great!
Samantha--
"I do not believe rapists of any kind have an illness that "made them do it".
Fair enough. But then why do YOU think they do it?
Denise, is there a "Call-A-Nurse" option where you live? We have one here, and they can help you determine if and when you would need to get your son to emergency. We had one in Utah, too, so I'm assuming they are common. Your operator or information can help you get the number. Good luck!
Denise,
Cows used for milking are a different breed than cows used for beef.
Plus, we don't keep are cows pinned up at all, so you couldn't pay me enough to get down and try to get milk! Lol.
Good question though...one that I had to have answered too when I first met my husband.
"We do not need to ask WHY I ate that second piece of cake. I did it, and now I am fat."
It can sure help to ask why and try to figure out an answer that runs deeper than "You chose to do it." Because something caused you to choose to do it, and if we can figure out that cause and help you to deal with it, you have a better chance of not making that same choice next time. On the other hand, if we just say, "You chose to do it and you're a weak, disgusting pig for doing it," that doesn't help you or anyone else. If anything, if you hear something like that and believe it, you're more likely to eat even more cake out of self-loathing.
Geez...why do I keep writing ARE when I mean OUR. Sorry, that one is pestering me.
"My friend has a huge ranch in Texas and I told him that we are going to go out to all 900 or 9000 cows and bond with them and give them names."
Ha! This makes me want to share my chickens' names with you. The first batch of four were Gloria, Louise, Zora, Georgia (all named after famous people). Louise died, and Gloria was given away (she was a very mean chicken--not to the other chickens, but to people--she would rush people and peck them. I gave her to some folks with a larger flock and lots of room who said her personality would not be a problem). So I still have Gloria and Georgia, and two new ones--Mimi and Maxine (also named for famous people).
I love my chickens! Zora is an especial delight. So friendly and curious. She always follows me around when I am weeding in the backyard, and pulls all of the weeds back OUT of the bucket. She makes a general nuisance of herself. And loves to fly up on my shoulder.
Goblinbee, what a charming story, loved it!
Denise, sorry I just read the post @ ur son.
Keep him covered good so he can sweat out the fever, keep liquids in him, give saltine crackers if he can keep it down. I like matzo ball soup when I'm sick, but not something people usually have on hand.
I must go fix dinner and other homemaker stuff. Plus, I'm way behind on reading the posts.
Everbody take care and be safe. And I do hope all is well with ur son denise.
Nagarjuna, addressing Samantha:
""Let me hear how you would successfully address these moral issues of the homeless, hungry citizens of the United States while continuing to support these criminals and maybe there would be a discussion between us."
Well, I think it might be more instructive at this point to hear what you, an experienced peace officer, believe should be done. Do you believe that we should have mass executions of everyone convicted of sexual offenses?"
I have to say, Nagarjuna, that it has come to my attention that very often when asked a question, you do not answer it. You instead replace the question with a question of your own. Which in essence, doesnt answer the original question. But you always ask why people never respond to your questions with answers, instead they attack you.
Just an observation. :) peace
No, Nagarjuna, I was not joking. I was actually trying to get everyone in tune with you, that we SHOULD, as I actually DO, feel sorry for the people that have evil mental illnesses,, the way we would feel sorry for a rabid dog, before, during and after euthanization.
Goblinbee, I was laughing so much at your defense of your chicken eggs. I also have been around laying hens, but also roosters. My father had an incubator and we watched the chickens hatch sometimes. Since there were roosters involved, we have cracked many a deadbabychick egg. And I know where all eggs come from. lol It is why I am considering Veganhood starting this very day.
"Well, what if you want to rob or molest or rape and you didn't believe in God or you didn't have a conscience or any empathy for the pain you would cause, what would sop you THEN?"
Ok, Nagarjuna, what would you do if you were speaking to a neighbor in spanish and you did not know the correct form of addressing him. Which spanish word would YOU use?
Nag, if you do not speak spanish, you will not be able to answer my question. The same as how am I supposed to answer your question about IF I AM YADA YADA when I am not. That really doesnt make sense to me for you to ask me to play pretend.
What if I am a big strong football player and I got hit with a stick with the same force that the big strong football player next to me got hit with. Why did I cry, but he didnt? Then ask that football player to pretend he was on LSD, and ask him if he knows the answer to this question. WILL YOU FEEL IT WHEN YOU GET HIT WITH THE SAME STICK AFTER TAKING LSD? How the hell can someone answer a question like that if they are NOT in the situation.
No, goblinbee, they will not give you any answer even close to hinting at if you should stay home or bring a sick person in. They will only say if you feel they need a doctor, bring them in. Our hospital is such a failure, they get sued all of the time. They barely can keep you alive and give good advice when they are face to face looking at your illness and test results.
We do have a poison control center number. They will give advice for overdoses only though.
Once I took my son to the hospital. His elbow was all split open and bleeding everywhere. It was held up by his face, and the doctor looked at him and asked him what seems to be problem this evening. I couldnt believe it. My son said, You get 3 guesses, and Im making my mom take me somewhere else. lol
Goblinbee, what a cute story about your chickens. Especially Zora.
Coonhound, thank you so much for your advice. I had bought him some crackers the other day, but he took them to my mothers, and never returned with them. I had forgot about them. Great idea. And also, he "sweats it out" each time he takes Tylenol, which is 3 times a day.
"And I know where all eggs come from. lol It is why I am considering Veganhood starting this very day.
Ho!
I have veganhood tendencies too. But what about all the plants I kill? And all the bonemeal, bloodmeal and fishmeal used to grow those plants? My chickens' eggs are actually the most guilt-free thing I eat. "Nothing was harmed in the making of this egg." Except all those ants they eat...
I laughed so hard, goblinbee. That was so great!! lol Nothing was harmed in the making of this egg. lol So funny!
And when you wrote bloodmeal, it reminded me when I was a waitress and a man said, I want my steak well done.If there is any blood in my steak, im sending it back. I told him, You are going to be eating the blood, its just going to be cooked blood. lol He almost threw up, and ordered pancakes and eggs after that. lol
"When rapists start raping and murdering their victims with the utmost respect and humane ways, then we shall treat them with the same respect.
Is this agreeable for you, Nag?"
So, we should be little if any better than the criminals?
"No, Nagarjuna, I was not joking. I was actually trying to get everyone in tune with you, that we SHOULD, as I actually DO, feel sorry for the people that have evil mental illnesses,, the way we would feel sorry for a rabid dog, before, during and after euthanization."
Oh, come off it Denise. I quoted you with your little smilies and all. You were dripping with sarcasm and making light of "frying" people in a way that was light years away from being "in tune" with me.
Geez...
Wait to you all get a load of these two!!!
http://us.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html?page=16486&content=21729827&pageNum=-1
I'm just disgusted, completely disgusted.
Are you okay Coonhound. I am so sorry and disgusted to read this crap today and what you ended up dealing with. Isn't this what rapists do? Coax you in with kind and gentle words, just to turn around and attack you. The words were not there, but the intent certainly was.
I never used to believe in the death penalty, but after you grow to learn the wickedness in the world and the cold hearts of some, I had changed my mind. Even then, I didn't think I could ever be the executioner and would pray for them. Recently, as I learn how wide spread it is and why and I no longer have any doubt that I can pull the trigger when I come face to face with evil. This kind of attack truly is despicable and I do not doubt for one second it is not literally practiced in person.
My heart goes out to you Coonhound. Don't allow the prick to get inside again.
Are you still there Coohhound. I was so sorry to read this crap today. My heart goes out to you. Nothing like being reeled in by a rapist, first the kind words with an illusion of friendship, and then suddenly a surprising slap of a wicked and evil heart.
Hang in their kind lady, the day isn't over.
Coonhound, do you have key words that I can search your link? Links never work for me in here. The only thing I pulled up was Fox News with all of the news they had. And I am interested in knowing what you are talking about.
Nagarjuna, I can smile and be very serious at the same time. :)
oh, good, I see you are still there Coonhound. Something was wrong with my computer. I guess I haven't used this one for this blog before, it wasn't accepting my login, or showing me updated posts.
Can you copy and paste your site in here?
Go to fox news for the story, you can't miss it. A 12 year old girl was actually groomed by her mother and step-father for sex acts. They sold her services via the internet. The mother got 15yrs on a plea deal and the father got 25 yrs.
Its the first US case that a mother was found guilty of human trafficking of her OWN child.
I don't need to read it. I am totally disgusted already
how is your son Denise?
Mo. Mom Pleads Guilty to Selling Girl as Sex Slave Sep 25, 2009 2:19 PM EDT A man and a woman accused of training the woman's 12-year-old daughter as a sexual dominatrix in Missouri and prostituting her online are going to prison. Todd Barkau, 37, and the girl's 45-year-old mother pleaded guilty Thursday to sex trafficking of a child. Officials said the two lived in a Kansas City suburb when Barkau began having sex with the girl in 2000 when she was 12, showing her how to perform sex acts with men including bondage and sadomasochism. By the time the girl was 14, the couple had billed her as 'Mistress Alisha,' and rented her out to fulfill sadomasochistic fantasies of anyone willing to pay, the Kansas City Star reported. She was prostituted, mainly through a Web site, from January 2002 to February 2005. The couple was ordered to forfeit the $80,000 the girl earned for them during that time, the Kansas City Star reported. Barkau will serve 25 years in federal prison, while the girl's mother, who isn't being named to protect her daughter's identity, will serve 15 years under a plea deal. Prosecutors said she is first person in the U.S. to be charged with federal trafficking in a case involving her own child, the Star reported. The judge and prosecutors agreed on the sentences after consulting the victim, who said she hopes 25 years will be a life sentence for Barkau, the paper reported. The Associated Press Contributed to this report.
When will our government ever get it?
Which reminds me... Samantha, I am in for Capitol Hill if you get enough together to do this. I am definitely in. I will save links to all these sites and print them come time to go. We already have about 20 from the last 3 weeks or so.
Thanks for the heart-felt and understanding words, freak.
My story comes no where near to the depth of harmfulness that has been inflicted on JC Dugard, really no comparison.
But I do understand why she never reached out when she did have chances...I totally understand her mind-set behind not "telling."
My incident occurred with an older cousin. I tried to tell the best I could explain as a young girl, I really didn't know what to say bc I was scared and confused. But it was swept aside as nothing, as something silly that I was misunderstanding. (Pitiful)
I allowed myself to be affected by this (not being heard when I tried to tell) for most of my life. Its been damaging in many aspects.
I truely feel that being a victim was not the worst of it in my case...it was not being heard when I tried to tell.
You are correct. Perspective. Good to know you are okay.
Coonhound, when I went to court to get custody of the baby I have since adopted, my attorney called the maternal grandmother to the stand, because she was fighting for custody of the baby also. It came out in court that she had been in prison for prostituting my sons mother (her own daughter) starting at the girls age of 13. The judge immediately gave me the guardianship, as opposed to us waiting a day or 2 for his decision.
YouAreSuchAFreak, I went to Washington DC a few years ago on a poverty rally with a Community Action Company here called DAEOC. There were people from different groups there, and a few persons stood outside of the White House fence, in a field, and spoke on an intercom system about poverty. That was all. I did not see anyone important listening really. Honestly. I think it was a waste of time. Everyone is even poorer now than before. lol
But if there were more to going to Capitol Hill than just hollering out to the only people that showed up to rally, then I am in also.
I am not sure how it works Denise. Actually it was Samantha that suggested this one. I am still reading her comments. She sounds pretty on the ball, and maybe she already knows how to do this.
I did watch the rally on the news today, they didn't show anyone speaking, it was more like a sit in. I really have no clue, but will wait to see if Samantha comes back with more info.
Denise, when I first got here I read another parable or analogy from you and cannot find it now. I just ate the last piece of cake and would like to use that as a come back line sometime really soon when someone realizes..... Can you quickly please tell me again that analogy.
something, so I ate the cake and now I am fat. LOL I died laughing -and this will be fun
Denise, very glad to know that you were able to get custody.
I was reading about pedophiles a lot last night. I have no sympathy or compassion for them. Do I hate my cousin? No, not at all. But I have no use for him what so ever, none at all.
I had to learn how to be a survivor and not a victim.
Self-esteem and self-worth issues were my largest obstacle. I still struggle with it, but nothing like I did as a teen-ager and younger adult. I also had some very deeply seeded anger issues, too. But I have let go of those, thank god.
My husband and step-son have helped me tremendously, just by us being a family together. And faith has helped heal many wounds of the past.
Coonhound. The self esteem is usually the cause of the attraction of pedophiles. They prey on who and what weaknesses they see.
Nothing that anyone ever did to you should be held against you by you. While it is the hardest of everything to overcome, it is the biggest thing victims need to overcome. It always attracts those freaks again.
LOL, Anger is something I purposely held onto, and I direct it back at all the freaks
"Nag, if you do not speak spanish, you will not be able to answer my question. The same as how am I supposed to answer your question about IF I AM YADA YADA when I am not. That really doesnt make sense to me for you to ask me to play pretend."
Denise, do you REALLY mean to tell me that when you desire to do something that's illegal or immoral but you don't act out the desire, not only do you have no idea why you didn't act it out, but you have no sense whatsoever that there was some reason or cause for why you didn't?
"What if I am a big strong football player and I got hit with a stick with the same force that the big strong football player next to me got hit with. Why did I cry, but he didnt?"
You might not know why one cried and the other didn't, but don't you believe that there WAS a reason or cause for it and that, while it might not matter in as trivial a case as this, it might matter a whole lot more in the case of a Philip Garrido to at least realize that there is a cause for his crime that he didn't cause?
"How the hell can someone answer a question like that if they are NOT in the situation."
The gist of my question was not just why you wouldn't carry out a desire to rape or molest but to do anything illegal and immoral. You've said in the past that you've thought about stealing, using drugs, and doing other wrong things, but you didn't do them. So, if you can't imagine hypotheticals, REMEMBER actual situations and tell us what stopped you from acting out your desire and tell us what you think you would have done if THOSE things hadn't stopped you.
"something, so I ate the cake and now I am fat. LOL I died laughing -and this will be fun"
Boogieman, it WAS pretty funny how easily that analogy was discredited as a valid reason not to ask why someone does something they shouldn't. :-)
Don't you agree?
Another kidnap rape story from years ago:
For nearly 20 years Jennifer Schuett has held onto every memory of the night she was abducted from her bedroom, raped and left for dead.
Jennifer Schuett remembers small details of the night she was abducted, raped and her throat slashed at age 8.
Jennifer Schuett remembers small details of the night she was abducted, raped and her throat slashed at age 8.
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It was August 10, 1990. Schuett was 8 years old and lived alone with her mother in the first floor of an apartment complex in Dickinson, Texas. The bedroom windows faced the parking lot.
Investigators were never able to identify a suspect, but new DNA testing may change that.
CNN normally does not identify victims of sexual assaults. But Schuett wants to go public with her story-- and her name-- to increase the chances of finding and prosecuting her attacker.
"It's not about me anymore," she explained. "It's about all the little girls that go to sleep at night. I know there are so many girls out there who have been raped and hurt. You have to fight back."
For that, Schuett, 27, is relying on her voice, her memory and advances in DNA testing.
"I remember everything; I've always wanted to remember everything, so I can find the person that did this," Schuett told CNN during a phone interview. "If I had blocked this out of my memory, the investigation wouldn't have come this far. I'm a fighter."
Schuett says she was alone in her bed when a man came creeping in through the window. She remembers waking up in a stranger's arms as he carried her across a dark parking lot.
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"When I opened my eyes, his face was the first thing I saw and he covered my face and mouth," she said. "He ran with me to his car. He told me he was an undercover cop and that he knew my family. He seemed calm -- not nervous, not aggressive."
After they left the parking lot, he drove her through the streets of Dickinson, Texas, pulling into a mechanic shop next to her elementary school.
"Watch the moon. The moon will change colors and that is when your mom will come to get you," she recalled him saying. "Oh, it looks like she is not coming."
Schuett said he drove her to an overgrown field next to the school and raped her.
"He had a knife to my throat and touched my face and offered me Reese's pieces," she said. "I was scared but I knew I couldn't be fast enough to get away. Cars would drive by but I couldn't get away to get help."
She believes she passed out. "I woke up to him dragging me by my ankles," she said. "I felt thorns ripping the skin off my back. I would see him turn to look at me and I would play dead."
She passed out again, and awoke at daybreak. "I remember feeling dew around me and I couldn't figure out why when I screamed I couldn't hear myself," said Schuett.
She lay naked on top on an ant hill with her throat slashed from ear to ear, and her voice box torn.
Much later, she said, "I heard children playing hide and seek. That is when one of the kids tripped over my foot," said Schuett.
She was found at 6 p.m. on a hot August day. She had been lying in the field for nearly 12 hours. She was rushed to the hospital in critical condition.
"Three days after the attack, I started giving a description. The doctors told me I would never be able to talk again, but I proved them all wrong," said Schuett. She believes she got her voice back so she could tell her story.
"I never wanted to play the victim role. I wanted to be a strong survivor," she said.
But the attack left its mark. "For the first two years, I had nightmares and was scared," she said. "But I never wanted sympathy. ... If I had given up, he would have won, and I wanted to show him: 'You didn't win.' "
Shuettt said she is now "on a manhunt."
Houston FBI Special Agent Richard Rennison is one of the lead investigators in the case, along with Dickinson police Detective Tim Cromie.
Both men were discussing the case, when Rennison received a memo from the FBI's Child Abduction Rapid Deployment (CARD) Team, saying they were looking for cold child abduction cases that could be retested for DNA evidence. The Schuett case was one of the cases selected.
Rennison, who has 10 years of experience in child abduction cases, said he has never seen a case like Schuett's.
"This is the only one that I can think of that the victim has suffered some traumatic injuries and survived," he said, "The main reason the CARD team picked this case was because she was alive. In cases of child abduction it is rare that the child is recovered alive. Frequently you recover a body and most times you never find them."
Schuett is a living witness who can help put the pieces together.
The investigators found evidence collected 19 years ago, which can be retested. It includes the underwear and pajamas Schuett was wearing, as well as a man's underwear and T-shirt, which were found in the field where Schuett was left for dead.
The clothes were tested in 1990, but the sample wasn't large enough for conclusive results. But now, modern techniques allow DNA to be isolated from a single human cell.
Once they get back the DNA results -- "any time now," Schuett said -- they will run them through the FBI's criminal database and see if they get a match.
The FBI has also offered a $10,000 reward for information that could lead to a break in the case. And last weekend Schuett appeared in "America's Most Wanted," which resulted in several leads from viewers who called in with information.
"Someone might remember something about that night," Schuett said. "Dickinson is a really small community. Everybody knows everybody. I know someone in town knows something."
Boogieman, it's even funnier that YOU would think her analogy established the ridiculous point she was trying to make. :-)
Don't you agree?
Coonhound, do you live in the UK?
Anyone here other than me and freak?
I think Denise left.
Sorry, Boogieman, I meant to direct my previous two comments at FREAK. Funny how I get you two mixed up. :-)
I'm in the states, the SE.
I'm here, Coonhound.
oh, that is right, I read that GA. How is everything.... going to go check to see if any news on that now that I remember.
I was thinking about this because of the kind of cows you said you had, no milk and no beef. What other use there is for a cow, I am not sure, unless for breeding alone. (?)
Freak, I had read that one also, glad you posted it! Great timing, and amazing woman.
How lovely it will be to put that man in general population some day.
Geeez, the first think I find is that Manson follower "Sexie Sadie" dies today. Can't get away from scum buckets anymore.
Crap, and another missing child:
Search intensifies for missing McCleary girl.
McCLEARY, Wash. - The search for Lindsey Baum has intensified nearly three months after she disappeared.
Friday morning Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office investigators, along with FBI agents and members of the King County Sheriff's office, began serving search warrants in and around the McCleary area.
The warrants allow investigators a chance to thoroughly search private properties.
A Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office spokesperson said the search warrants were a result of their "continuing investigation."
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"They [the serving of the search warrants] started this morning and will continue through the weekend," said Grays Harbor County Sgt. Steve Shumate.
Investigators would not say where the locations were or if anyone was specifically being investigated as a suspect in Baum's disappearance.
Approximately 50 searchers will be working through the weekend.
Detectives told KING-5 "credible information" led them to search several properties in and around McCleary.
"It's encouraging for our investigators to have something to work with," said Sgt. Shumate.
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Lindsey Baum, 10, disappeared from the small town of McCleary.
Lindsey, 10, vanished June 26 while walking home from a friend's house in McCleary.
Detectives informed Lindsey's mother, Melissa Baum, they would be serving multiple search warrants Friday morning. She was not told where, how many or what prompted the searches.
"I'm glad they're out there but it's frustrating," said Melissa Baum, "This has been the longest and most frustrating three months of my life."
Lindsey's mother said Friday's searches have made her "cautiously hopeful."
The family is working with community members to organize a candlelight vigil 8 p.m. Saturday night. Saturday marks the three month point since Lindsey was last seen June 26th.
"If she's home by then, it will be a celebration," said Melissa Baum.
Where is the fricken weather, all we have is clouds of pedophile work.
Hi nag.
(Silly coonhound...had I hit refresh I wouldve seen that Nagarjuna was in the house)
Freak, I stated that we have beef, not milk cows. Yes, our cows have milk for their calf, but they are not the kind used for milking.
I see. I cannot seem to find any weather information. How is the flooding there right now. Has it receded?
Damn, I still cannot find the weather reports for the flooding in Georgia, but I bumped into yet another cloud:
By: Ashley Ritchie
At Grant Middle School in Reedley, "shock" seems to be the top lesson.
"It surprises me," Juanita Ortis said.
Ortis has a 7th grader at the school.
Tuesday morning Fresno County sheriff's deputies arrested 31-year-old Vincent Chavez, a 6th grade English teacher at Grant, and 31-year-old Samuel Garza, a substitute teacher, on charges of possessing child pornography.
"That's gonna be where our kids are all day, with those teachers?" Ortis asked.
"This is a very sad, shocking turn of events," John Campbell, assistant superintendent with the Kings Canyon Unified School District, said.
Campbell says the arrests caught everyone off-guard.
"Mr. Chavez was a well-respected teacher and member of the community, so it is shocking both for the faculty of the school as well as the students," he said.
Campbell says there were no red flags with either teacher that would've led the district to believe students were at risk.
"We go through a thorough background check which includes fingerprints, D.O.J clearance. He came to us from another school district with a good record. The other gentleman is just a sub. He works sporadically here and there. I don't know too much about him. But he went through the same background check," Campbell said.
School officials want to emphasize to parents that there were no arrests or any kind of action on the school's campus.
And as far as they know, there were no Kings Canyon students involved with the charges.
All they can do now is try to move on.
"Unfortunately with hundreds of teachers, these kinds of things do happen in all school districts and we just do our best to focus on the students and help the students through things like this," Campbell said.
"What am I gonna do? I can't send them to another school," Ortis said.
For parents like Juanita Ortis, the shock is far from wearing off.
And they can only hope teachers like Chavez and Garza have taught their last lesson.
Chavez and Garza both posted a $5,000 bail Wednesday night and were released from jail.
School officials say both teachers have been placed on paid administrative leave.
A phone message is going out to parents to notify them of the situation.
And crisis teams will be on hand at the school to work with students and faculty.
The Fresno County District Attorney's Office released a statement Wednesday saying an investigation is currently underway involving the adult child of one of their investigators, saying "The alleged crime is unacceptable and needs to be treated very seriously."
What in the world is going on. Another:
Former Police Chief Accused Of Having Sex With Teen In City Building
Posted: 11:28 am EDT September 25, 2009Updated: 7:11 pm EDT September 25, 2009
HOPEDALE, Ohio -- A former Harrison County police chief was arrested and charged with two counts of sexual battery against a teenage boy.
Ronald Bone, who was previously chief in Hopedale, is accused of having sex with a 17-year-old boy. Investigators said one of the encounters happened in the city building while Bone was on the job.
The Bureau of Criminal Investigation is handling the case because of a potential conflict of interest.
Bone resigned from Hopedale on Aug. 31 but officials said his resignation had nothing to do with the investigation. The allegations surfaced on Tuesday.
Bone faces a maximum of five years in jail on each count if he is convicted. His bond was set Friday at $100,000.
Stay with NEWS9 and WTOV9.com for continuing coverage as details become available.
Yes, its receded. A lot of damage though. Many counties have been approved for federal disaster funds/benefits. Many people have lost everything.
I think the death toll is still at ten.
wow, it is surprising there are any federal disaster relief funds.
I swear I am not searching for these, they just keep popping up in my search for news and earlier the weather for GA: Here is another:
Death sentence for killer pedophile Tom Cruise
13 September 2009
Tom Cruise Tom Cruise faces death by lethal injection as his punishment for his role in the savage slayings of dozens of small children, if he ever commits this crime, which, so far, he hasn't.
The Nielsen Hypothetical Crimes Survey polled a large number of Americans to find out what they thought would be the most shocking crime Tom Cruise could commit, choosing from a range of options which included parking offences and loitering for the purpose of engaging in a prostitution offence.
By a large margin, the answer most often chosen as most shocking was a two-year spree of gruesome pedophilia murders, involving the killing and mutilation of small children. On a scale of forgivability, his invented crime is ranked between "unforgiveable" and "totally unforgiveable".
Nielsen pollster Wendy Gleece said that the survey should be a stark warning to Cruise.
"The public have spoken, and they say that, if Tom Cruise was a murderous pedophile - which he isn't, but IF - they would be angry. Very angry."
Nielsen also polled US Supreme Court justices asking what sentence would be appropriate, if Cruise were ever convicted of being a pedophile murderer, which he has not been.
"As a celebrity, Cruise is not less culpable than other citizens. If anything, he is more so," said the court, in a tersely worded majority opinion. "People look to him as an example. And now that he has betrayed that public trust, his punishment must likewise serve as an example. Cruise must pay with his life."
But, in a dissenting opinion, Judge Scalia said that such a punishment was not harsh enough.
"He must be kept alive, but in a state of perpetual pain and torment," said Scalia. "His death, when at last it comes, must be more slow and painful than any lethal injection can deliver."
Cruise's gory imaginary crimes involved the sexual assault and murder of 40 small children. Some of his victims were as young as three years old. Artists broke down in tears as they showed their impressions of what the murders would have looked like, if they had happened, which they didn't. The images, which show Cruise killing and in some cases eating his victims, are too shocking to be reproduced here, but Nielsen promises to reveal them online.
Moviegoers were outraged by the fabricated crimes.
"Tom Cruise always seemed like such a nice young man," said Ethel May, of Burlington, Ontario, a one-time Cruise fan. "He was charming in Risky Business, and it makes me sad to think of him doing these awful things to children. At least, it would, if he did, but he didn't, but if he had, then definitely."
Nielsen also asked Supreme Court judges in Canada whether the death sentence was the right choice for Cruise.
"The question is ridiculous," raged Canadian Supreme Court Judge Ian Binnie. "We don't even have the death sentence in Canada, so obviously I couldn't sentence Tom Cruise to it."
Binnie continued: "Instead, I would insist that Cruise was extradited back to his native land, where these crimes were committed in fiction, if not in fact. There I hope he would receive the maximum sentence allowed by law. He thought he could murder with impunity, but now he will learn that, even in death, those weak and defenceless children have a powerful ally - the Law. It is reality. It is a harsh reality. It is an unreal reality."
Many of those who read full reports of the imagined crimes complained to Nielsen that they were made physically ill by descriptions of Cruise's sadistic treatment of his young victims, some of whom were lured to the star's house with promises of candy and free Scientology tests.
"These are certainly disturbing crimes we have invented," said Gleece. "We would not normally have made this offensive and disturbing report public, but Tom Cruise is a prominent figure, and we believe people have a right to know what crimes he has not committed - and must not commit."
Said Gleece, "If releasing this information prevents Tom Cruise from carrying out even one of these, frankly unlikely sex murders, it will have been worth the effort."
Coonhound, I don't keep up so much with celebrity news. Do you have any idea why someone would write this. I also wonder if Tom Cruise had anything to do with it or any knowledge of it.
You just cannot go anywhere without seeing it:
Serial Pedophile Who Bought 5-Year-Old Vietnamese Sex Slave is Up For Parole
By R. Scott Moxley
Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 10:48AM
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England wants freedom but hasn't admitted his sick sex crimes
A convicted California serial pedophile who despises Jews, cops and African Americans and who forced a kindergarten-age girl he purchased in Vietnam to become a sex slave to not only himself but also his German shepherd and basset hound, both males, becomes eligible for parole in December.
George Joseph England--a self-proclaimed Christian who remains unrepentant, according to law enforcement sources--is scheduled to make his pitch for freedom to the parole board after lunch on Monday inside Salinas Valley State Prison, where the 65-year-old Quebec, Canada native and U.S. Army veteran is housed.
And, your daily dumb is the least pedophilic of the evening: The MySpace page of Ezrakiah John Rowlinson, 33, who told off cops online and dared them to catch him for his alleged use of fraudulent checks. All we did was lightly erase a bit of the type to shield our more innocent readers from the nasty bits.
After posting his dirty-worded dare, he did get nabbed and he's now in the Hennepin County Jail in Minnesota on charges of fleeing a police officer.
Authorities in Iowa have also booked him for forgery and theft and now three separate police agencies are investigating him.
Considering his chivalrous behavior towards the boys and girls in blue, I'm sure they'll be very forgiving.
The following quote is from Denise. (I really did get a kick out of this one.)
Denise said:
"I would like to demand that pedophiles start raping and torturing their victims in the most humane manner possible. They must show sympathy and compassion. Their victims are no where close to being in their "right and sane mind" at the moment of being violated. And they have an illness called fear. When rapists start raping and murdering their victims with the utmost respect and humane ways, then we shall treat them with the same respect." "Is this agreeable for you, Nag"
LOL, I missed that. Coonhound, where is the one about cake, and she ate it and got fat?
"LOL, I missed that. Coonhound, where is the one about cake, and she ate it and got fat?"
When you find it, be sure to read my rebuttal to it, Freak.
You must be hearing your own bawling, FREAK, because you darn sure aren't hearing mine. :-)
Apparently some dipshits are now using this comment thread to fight among themselves.
"Apparently some dipshits are now using this comment thread to fight among themselves."
Where's the "fighting?" I just see some good natured bantering. :-)
"We do not need to ask WHY I ate that second piece of cake. I did it, and now I am fat."
Sorry it took me so long, I had my grandson tonight.
Hurricane, you are right. It is stupid to argue with him. I have tried to ignore him, but he just doesn't let anyone have a conversation without interjecting some trash. Don't worry, I am back to ignoring him, but I will not leave the important discussions many have had in here.
Ah, Denise. Thank you so much. I even did a find on some pages for the word cake to get find that comment again.
"Hurricane, you are right. It is stupid to argue with him."
Yes, FREAK, it IS "stupid" to argue with me when everything you say gets shot down in flames. :-) You're wise to ignore me and save yourself from more of a royal asswhipping. :-)
Nagarjuna:"Denise, do you REALLY mean to tell me that when you desire to do something that's illegal or immoral but you don't act out the desire, not only do you have no idea why you didn't act it out, but you have no sense whatsoever that there was some reason or cause for why you didn't?"
No, Nagarjuna, I do NOT mean to tell you anything of this sort. I have told you why I do not act some things out, already. But what you were asking me is IF I wanted to rape children, etc. etc. and IF I didnt believe in God, etc etc.
How in the hell am I supposed to know? No, Nag, I do not mean to tell you that when I DESIRE to do things I do not know why I didnt act the things out. What I DO mean to tell you is that I HAVE NEVER DESIRED to do the things in your question, therefore, I have no clue how you would expect me to answer that.
What is amazing to me Denise, is that some people have the answer to that question and continue to argue it!!!!!!
Back on topic:
Jaycee Dugard will testify against the couple that allegedly held her captive in an elaborate compound hidden in their backyard for 18 years if there is a trial, a lawyer for her family said at a news conference Thursday.
This photo of Jaycee Dugard was taken at the 1991 Rose Bowl parade. She was abducted later that year.
This photo of Jaycee Dugard was taken at the 1991 Rose Bowl parade. She was abducted later that year.
Attorney McGregor Scott admitted it has been a difficult transition for Dugard and her two children -- who police say were fathered by her captor -- given her captivity spanned more than half her life and was the only world she knew for so long.
"But there is no question that she knows that terrible and wrong things were done to her and that those people must be held accountable," Scott said.
Scott said he had no idea when a trial would be set for Phillip and Nancy Garrido, who have both pleaded not guilty to charges relating to Dugard's alleged kidnapping and subsequent abuse.
He acknowledged Dugard would have to relive the "trauma" in court by sharing the "very, very sordid tale."
Scott also said that because of Phillip Garrido's previous criminal history, which includes a kidnapping and rape charge for which he was registered as a sex offender, Garrido would automatically receive a sentence of 25 years to life if he were found guilty on only one felony charge.
But Scott said the family is trying not to focus on any of that and instead work on building a new life together. He said he had met with Dugard and her family twice for a couple of hours and was happy to see "how well they had been doing."
"Even more encouraging was the second time I met with them, I saw progress," he said.
"I'm just very pleasantly surprised watching the dynamics, and I think it's a very positive thing going forward."
Scott said Dugard's daughters, who police said never went to school or a doctor, were receiving tutoring. Dugard has been participating and observing.
"This is a woman whose [own] formal education ended in the fifth grade," he said. "She has a brain that she wants to develop, so it's a very positive thing."
The family received medical attention and counseling beginning the day Dugard and her children were discovered, Scott said. He also said they had received donations of more than $100,000 from the public, which would help the girls as they get older.
He praised law enforcement and family members for helping protect Dugard and her children after her discovery.
"[They are] very guarded in allowing the girls access to TV news, Internet, etc.," he said. "Because they're being a mother, a grandmother, protecting the girls from too much information too early."
He said he knows there is a curiosity about where the family is, but pleaded that the public and the media give the family time to heal.
More than anything, Scott said, Dugard's family is working to make life as normal as possible and allow them to make up for lost time.
"To watch the interaction between Jaycee and her mother ... after 18 years is remarkable," Scott said. "The emotions there, I think they're still wrestling with all of that but I think they're making great progress."
I guess I'm feeling a little too frisky tonight. I need to mellow out and become a kinder, gentler Nagarjuna. :-) After all, you guys can't help it if you don't yet see the light. :-) Fortunately, I have the patience of Job. So, I think I'll take a break and watch Monday night's two hour episode of "House" that I recorded.
Take care, everybody. Even you, FREAK. :-)
so I put that cake comment on a sticky and put it in the refrigerator. I should have left the empty plate as well.
"Tuesday morning Fresno County sheriff's deputies arrested 31-year-old Vincent Chavez, a 6th grade English teacher at Grant, and 31-year-old Samuel Garza, a substitute teacher, on charges of possessing child pornography."
Insane, he says. Struck with an illness, he says. Knows not what they are doing, he says. Victims, he says. pfft
These 2 do not seem like victims to me.
WHY do you think they would risk their employment? THINK!!
Well, I ask this: WHY WOULD THEY CHOOSE THIS PARTICULAR EMPLOYMENT?
Wow, look at this. Now this is prayer at work!!!!
Jaycee Lee Dugard, the South Lake Tahoe girl kidnapped in 1991 and found in August, might be able to avoid facing her alleged captors for a longer period of time under a California law that would allow a police officer to testify for her at a preliminary hearing, her lawyer said Thursday.
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El Dorado County, Calif., District Attorney Vern Pierson has not said whether he plans to present the case against Phillip and Nancy Garrido to a grand jury or at a preliminary hearing, but keeping Dugard away from them for a longer period could be a factor, lawyer McGregor Scott said.
In California, hearsay is admissible at a preliminary hearing, Scott said. So, an officer could relate Dugard's story to a judge, who would then decide whether there was enough evidence to hold the Garridos for trial.
But before a grand jury, Dugard would have to face her alleged captors, something Scott said she knows she has to do.
"She fully understands and appreciates the wrong and the terrible things that were done to her, and the people who committed the crimes need to be held accountable for what they have done," said Scott, who visited Dugard, her two daughters and her mother several times in recent weeks.
"She's cooperating with law enforcement," he said, adding she's receiving counseling as she and her family heal from their 18-year ordeal.
Nancy Anderson, Pierson's secretary, said they would not comment on their plans.
Dugard, now 29, was abducted as she walked to her bus stop in 1991 and resurfaced in August after University of California, Berkeley police questioned Garrido at the campus and notified his parole officer.
Garrido was on parole for the 1976 kidnapping of a South Lake Tahoe casino worker he drove to Reno and raped.
The Garridos allegedly kept Dugard and the two daughters Phillip Garrido allegedly fathered in a tent compound in the backyard of their Antioch, Calif., home.
Dugard and her girls, now 11 and 15, live with her mother, Terry Probyn, in Orange County, Calif., and have been receiving therapy and medical treatment, Scott said.
Jaycee Lee Dugard, the South Lake Tahoe girl kidnapped in 1991 and found in August, might be able to avoid facing her alleged captors for a longer period of time under a California law that would allow a police officer to testify for her at a preliminary hearing, her lawyer said Thursday.
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El Dorado County, Calif., District Attorney Vern Pierson has not said whether he plans to present the case against Phillip and Nancy Garrido to a grand jury or at a preliminary hearing, but keeping Dugard away from them for a longer period could be a factor, lawyer McGregor Scott said.
In California, hearsay is admissible at a preliminary hearing, Scott said. So, an officer could relate Dugard's story to a judge, who would then decide whether there was enough evidence to hold the Garridos for trial.
But before a grand jury, Dugard would have to face her alleged captors, something Scott said she knows she has to do.
"She fully understands and appreciates the wrong and the terrible things that were done to her, and the people who committed the crimes need to be held accountable for what they have done," said Scott, who visited Dugard, her two daughters and her mother several times in recent weeks.
"She's cooperating with law enforcement," he said, adding she's receiving counseling as she and her family heal from their 18-year ordeal.
Nancy Anderson, Pierson's secretary, said they would not comment on their plans.
Dugard, now 29, was abducted as she walked to her bus stop in 1991 and resurfaced in August after University of California, Berkeley police questioned Garrido at the campus and notified his parole officer.
Garrido was on parole for the 1976 kidnapping of a South Lake Tahoe casino worker he drove to Reno and raped.
The Garridos allegedly kept Dugard and the two daughters Phillip Garrido allegedly fathered in a tent compound in the backyard of their Antioch, Calif., home.
Dugard and her girls, now 11 and 15, live with her mother, Terry Probyn, in Orange County, Calif., and have been receiving therapy and medical treatment, Scott said.
Did he say royal asswiping? lol jk
If she is cooperating with law enforcement, then I guess she doesnt have any knowledge of other crimes then. That is a blessing for Jaycee, now that I think about it. I am glad she did not have to witness crimes with maybe other girls that were possibly murdered.
I wish they would just "trick" Nancy into telling all. She would be so easily convinced to cooperate fully. But then I guess that would be like leading the witness, or whatever it is called. It is illegal whatever it is, I guess.
I wish they could put me or any other Mom in the jail with Nancy. Not to maim her, but to talk to her. We could use our Mom reverse psychology, and get the truth out of anyone. lol
I am not so sure about Nancy breaking so easily. She has had 19 years to think about this. Not only this, but she has an attorney who has probably set her straight.
As far as Jaycee goes, she may not remember, or even realize what was legal and what was not. She had no way of knowing much of anything regarding sexual relations, she was so young. It may take time for her to realize 18 years worth of events. I just hope she doesn't have to testify at all. If Garrido does think he has some connection with some God, I think one of his close by cell mates should pretend to be God and tell him if he values his relationship with God, he must tell the world of all his sins and plead guilty to all.
If nothing else, lets see how much his belief was real to him and how much is just a planned EXCUSE!!!!
I have to get going, going out to dinner. Have a nice evening Denise and Coonhound if you are still here.
http://news.aol.com/article/neighbors-save-boy-from-alleged/687613?icid=webmail|wbml-aol|dl1|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fneighbors-save-boy-from-alleged%2F687613
Not sure if that link would work, but it was a 47 year old man that put a 3 year old boy in his wagon and start pulling him down the street in front of the boys grandmother in pure daylight. She started screaming and all of the neighbors came to the rescue.
Enjoy your night, Freak.
And I wanted to say in regard to Garrido feeling that he has changed, and doing the right thing now by confessing to all....My sons father told the police that he deserves the death penalty because the only woman he loves is dead. But when it came time to plead. Sure did say Not Guilty. I snapped out and went up front and asked him what happened to deserving the death penalty? Did he suddenly get afraid to die? Wonder if Mary was afraid to die?
Great "House."
Goodnight, everyone.
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2007/us0907/index.htm
I'm posting a link I found interestingand challengingto some of our opinions. Its regarding sex offender laws and is from Human Rights Watch, an organization that opposes the way current sex offender laws are crafted and where the laws are headed.
They claim to be advocates for global human rights. The second link on the page/site I have listed will give you an understanding of what else they are advocating for world-wide.
I have some issues with their arguements, but I'm not going to address any of that now. And I am very interested in everbody's take on this groups position and their arguements supporting their position on sex offender legislation.
Have a wonderful weekend. And I'll probably be laying low this weekend.
Good morning everyone.
This morning my son seen a mouse run under the stove. He said, "I want to kill it!" I asked him why he would want to kill God's creature. He said they are nasty, and Satan made them, not God. So, I started thinking about Nagarjuna. lol I started thinking that I will have to put poison out, because that is a more humane way to kill the mice. But I thought of all the arguments I have heard of the horrid death that the poison causes. But at least I will not have to see the dead mouse and have to clean it up, throw it out, etc.
Anyhow, it made me think, first thing this morning, how there is no humane way to kill. Death hurts. Yet, I cannot keep mice in my house. I feel guilty when I put mouse poison out. But if I do not, my childrens health can be at risk.
And will someone please bring me a cup of coffee now? I am afraid to enter the kitchen. lol
Hi Denise. After I left yesterday you wrote that I had speaking to and interviewing personally rapists. That is not actually true, I have arrested them, I have spoken to them, but I have never interviewed them. That is not how it works. Detectives do this, not police officers. I have been in charge of them and have sat in on interviews as training and simply as a guard. This is not necessarily of those that I have arrested, but just administrative decision who does what on some days when I am not on the street.
On another message your wrote that you believed a rapist could be sick because at times you thought you were not altogether with it or sick or ill due to stress in your life. I cannot pretend to understand this to the fullest like it appears to effect others, simply just because I do not understand. I have had my fair share of stressful moments, and I cuss and I scream and I even throw things. But, I cannot comprehend hurting another in a fit of rage or any stressful situation, but do see it is done often. Most of those type of killers or child abusers do want or accept that they be punished and appear to be truly sorry. I am glad you did not hurt your child, but many do under similar circumstances or less than what you wrote of. But, here we were talking about rape and other pedophilia activity, not stress related crime. There is not a moment of insanity or illness to these acts, they are mostly planned very tediously. Sometimes we just have to see the evil in the world to know that some people just choose to be mean, and nasty. Some people choose to kill. Some people choose to rape. And many do it to total strangers they just pick out of a crowd. This is the difference.
Coonhound, I looked at some of the site you posted. There is alot to read.
I think it is too difficult to find the perfect law for any situation, as so many people differ in opinions. We see that in our own small group here. I actually get saddened on each election of a new President. Because half of the people, in the end, will not get who they wanted and felt safe with.
I think that registering on the Sex Offenders list is about as effective as a Restraining Order. I think they should keep violent criminals off the street forever. In whichever manner, but never set them free.
Putting a young man on the registry, that had consential sex with a girl that snuck out of the house to be with the boy, her parents found out and were furious, does not make sense to me. My ex boss lives in a small town of about 300. There is an "offender" in her town that was in this same situation. She came to work and told me to tell my mother to watch out for my boys, because she heard there is a sex offender in her town. (my mom lived in the same town) I told my boss that we watch my children for EVERYONE, including her and her husband, for that matter. And I also told her that there are most likely more than one offenders in her neighborhood. Anyhow, she was ready to form a posse and lynchmob on this boy.
The conversation appeared to get very disturbed in here after I left yesterday.
It is funny you mention coffee in your post this morning Denise. That is normally the first thing I do when I wake is make a cup, but this a.m. I opened my computer lid and started reading and writing.
I agree with your sex offender comment about younger boys or girls being placed for having sex, which might have been consensual to a point. If they are over 18 and have sex with a 14, 15, 16, 17 year old, sometimes that girl is to young, even though she agreed, so it seems harsh. But it is a good way to protect most young girls from a huge mistake of feeling pressured into it. I also always refer people to look at dates of the offender. The age, the date of crime, etc. Most people, and possible employers are able to make sense of this and do not prejudice those kids when they are aware of how they can seek out the offense themselves.
Oh my Gosh!!! Samantha!!!
You make so much sense!!! Always!! Everything you say is just so perfect. Good morning to you. And I completely agree with you. I did get sidetracked and compare stress to all criminal activities. You have set me back on track. You are right. Losing control over listening to a screaming baby for hours, to the point that you hurt the baby to try to make it shut up, has nothing to do with going out to search for a child and nabbing it. You are the light of this blog.
But I have to say something that is so shameful for me, and Nagarjuna and Coonhound may attack me, as I continue to write my personal experiences in here. But I write my life experiences here if I think it will somehow relate to the topic.
Anyhow, I used to do methamphetamines. Meth sometimes gives a person very strong sexual urges that are overwhelming. I never did anything criminal, but I have remembered those urges, while reading and speaking here about rapists and pedophiles.
I agree Denise, Meth and other drugs effect some people that way. But they effect other people in other ways. It is not the drug that should be blamed though, it is the person who knows what the drug does and takes it. Gratifying themselves over and above thinking of the responsibility or the harm it places on others. We all have a choice to do or not do drugs. We all have a choice whether or not to hurt someone in these ways.
Hi Samantha:
I was reading your posts yesterday. Were you serious about Capitol Hill? I would be very interested and personally know at least a handful of others that are screaming out for want of change as well. I also see many people who post across the country that also appear that they would be interested.
Good Morning Denise – hope all is well with your son today. How is the fever?
I agree with you about deterring the girls from becoming promiscuous in the first place. There is a girl here that is considered a "whore" because she has sex with all of the Mexicans at the restaurant. Also it has been said she had sex with her cousin and her uncle. She was 14. After all of the men she has had sex with, just ONE of the men, was arrested and did prison time and has to register. Everyone tried to say, "She is a whore! It is her fault!" And my answer to that was that she cannot be a whore, if men do not agree to touch her!! And no matter what the circumstance was that made her so promiscuous, if you are an older man, DO NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT!! Stay away!! This happened to be one of my family members that went to prison for touching the girl. My mother was so angry at the girl and her mother, because they are both "trash". It is true, they are. But why are they? Because men like my family member TOUCH HER!! I actually think that the mother should have had to serve prison time also, for raising her daughter the way she did. Now, they each have a baby, months apart, by the same man. I do not know who the man is that they both got pregnant by at the same time, but yeah. I want to beat the mother half to death!
Denise.... I am far from perfect, I question some of my thoughts and change some of my views regularly. But have had many many instances to view and think about these topics before us here to know what is and where I stand.
Hi YouAreSuchAFreak: I have read many of your conversations too. I am very serious about a quite day on Capitol Hill. I have a few co-workers that have been discussing this. We would have to clear this with our city authorities. Many think the conflict (being peace officers) may be a problem, but it has been heavily discussed amongst us. Especially recently.
If she was having sex with that many men at 14, I agree she is not a whore, and most likely was doing this punishing herself (without knowledge she was punishing herself). I cannot tell you how many victims of incest and rape have thrown themselves at men. They are hurting themselves and have absolutely no self esteem. These girls should be helped by professionals. The public calling her a whore should try to look below the surface and help her. This does not amaze me, but saddens me.
Samantha you can count me in if you do get a group together large enough for Capitol Hill. Let me know how you plan to invite others and I will be happy to help with this as well.
Boogie are you up yet?
Samantha, I have to say that sometimes, some people do not have a choice to use a drug or not. Mackenzie Phillips own father shot her up with heroine at a young age. She had no choice. After being forced into it, I am sure she was too addicted to choose to stop or not. My father gave me my first line of meth. I felt it was ok, I guess, since he gave it to me. I started out with Crosstop pills, to lose weight. I figured I would stop when the time to start college came around. It took complete control over me, and I tried for 15 years to stop. I stopped for 2 years at a time, a couple of times. But always went back to it, hating the drug every minute. Also, I need to say that each time I did the drug, I know for a fact, that I DID have a choice if I wanted to hurt someone or not, HIGH OR NOT.
Good morning, Freak. Thank you so much for asking about my son. He and my other son went to stay with their father last night. He lives 22 miles from here, and they promised to call me if my son has a fever this morning. He was fine last night, after not taking Tylenol for 6 hours. Hopefully, he has kicked it. He promised to rest very much at his fathers house, and no football this weekend.
I would also go to Capitol Hill, if it is next year when I can take a vacation. lol My son being sick has used up all of my extra time off of work. Or, if I get fired. lol
Does anyone in here have a copy of the full 29 charges against the Garridos?
I had a partial on my other computer, but it is at work. Right now I cannot even find that copy on the internet, much less a full copy.
Denise, you didn't say, how is your son's fever?
I am lost for words Denise. What you are talking about are abuse crimes. How old are you now, and have you reported this? You wrote of grand kids so I take it you are older. It would be my job to report this if this are current activities.
If it is the past, and you are still confused by it, I would suggest going to talk with someone. Sometimes old offenses can be brought to justice.
Freak, I do not know yet this morning how he is. It is early here, and I have not called them yet. They said they will call me when they wake up. I assume they are still sleeping. I will call them now, just for you, lol.
He says that he doesnt have a fever. His throat is hurting some. He promises to rest today. Thank you so much for your concern. I appreciate it so much.
Well I am off to try to find a copy of the charges for Mike here.
Good to know Denise. Sorry I thought you were all living together. I hope you didn't wake him.
I am up YouAreSuchAFreak, but not yet awake. Be back shortly.
Goodmorning to everyone. Nice to read you Samantha.
Samantha, I am sorry, but I do not know which abuse crimes you are speaking about. The ones of fathers administering drugs to their children? That was 30 years ago for me, when I was 15. And Mackenzie Phillips is the actress that is about the same age. She actually just wrote a book about having consential sex with her own father, the famous guy from the "mamas and the papas" band, I think.
I wouldnt have reported this as a crime anyhow, because for one thing, this was the one way me and my dad got along finally. I felt he finally treated me as a person, not a child that was to be seen and not heard. And most times, not to be seen even. Sad, I know. But there were times that I had ran away from home, and my father came to get me, and we all talked in a room together. And I would say things to the affect of "you have money for your drugs". But I said those things to get my way when saying I ran away from home because my life stunk, and they wouldnt buy me something. I would have immediately told any official that I was lying about drugs, had they started going after my dad. I want to add also, that the times I ran away were before I had ever started using drugs. So protecting my father and my family and home life, would not have been due to fear of losing out on future drugs.
If you know you have a problem with drugs since your introduction to them, and have tried to kick the habit and have not succeeded, there is always outside help. Again, I am glad you have not hurt anyone, but if you did, it is not the drugs. It is your choice to continue taking them. Especially after you wrote that while on the drugs you would have had no choice to hurt but were out of your head. If you know this, then you are responsible for any crime when you take the drugs. It is a vicious cycle, but the very reason so many do go to prison. Every human being has these responsibilities to others.
Good morning Boogie.
Freak, my sons and I live together. Their father lives 22 miles away. The man they feel is their real Daddy, however, is my fiance in Peru.
Samantha, I am not confused by any of my past. I appreciate each event as a learning experience, and I feel I have done well and my past has made me stronger in raising my own children, and just dealing with life in general.
Hello TheBoogieManHater. Love that name. I enjoyed reading your writings as well.
Do you still do illicit drugs Denise?
I am not totally without compassion and knowledge of drug addiction. I have friends who were addicted in the past, and I know the pain they experienced kicking the habits. Seeing it everyday and what it does to families, such as you had experienced, although, some of these things are so horrible it leaves no room for anything by law enforcement as a police officer.
I think I am going to have to go back to the office and get my other computer. I cannot find anything. This computer is so much slower, and most of this is already in my Favs on the other computer. I didn’t plan on staying in here long today, so I am tettering on whether to drive to the office.
Boogie when you get back, can you look in your Favs and see if that old posted PDF of the 29 charges was updated and/or now lists all 29 charges?
Samantha, I no longer have a problem with drugs. I am 15 years clean. And I did not say I never had a choice to hurt someone. What I said was the contrary. I said I did NOT have a choice to take drugs. They control people. But I said that while on the drugs, I DID have a choice not to hurt people or to hurt them. I have always chosen NOT to hurt people.
But I do not agree with you that an addicted person has a choice to use drugs or not. I believe that at least 80 or 90 percent of drug addicts hate the drugs they use, and would LOVE to stop forever. We see peeople in and out of rehab all of the time. We see so many addicts with good intentions to stop, but cannot. Almost my entire family are drug addicts. Their daily conversation is where they are at as far as quitting drugs. And how messed up their lives are from drugs. Every time I call California to ask how everyone is doing, I get the response of: I am doing good, I havent used in 3 months, yay! Then I ask, "What is Michael up to these days" Their answer: Hes still messing up using that junk. Every answer is related to drugs. "How are your kids?" Answer: "I have to drop urine 3 times a week, they are fine"
SIWL
Good morning, everyone. It's a cool, beautiful morning here in Sacramento. I've read the comments posted here this morning, but am about to go for a walk before I comment further.
You may have noticed the four letters I typed at the top of this message: "SIWL." They are inspired by a dear but now deceased friend of mine. She and I used to participate in online forums dedicated to discussions of subjects like religion and politics, and, as you can well imagine, the discussions often became heated. So, she began signing off all her posts with "SIWL" to remind herself and everyone else to "Say It With Love" no matter what we were talking about and no matter how we felt. She believed that people could have civil, respectful conversation and disagree without being disagreeable.
It occurred to me this morning that I should honor her by following her example, only I would place SIWL at the TOP rather than the bottom of my comments to remind myself to "say it with lovingkindness"--a Buddhist variation on "say it with love"-- before I proceeded with the main body of my comment.
Look, you guys, I know I can be a pain in the ass here relentlessly picking away at your comments about what evil people pedophiles and rapists freely choose to be. But I disagree with you that they freely choose to be this way or that they deserve our hatred and condemnation, and I DO want to express that. However, to the extent that I continue to dialogue with you on this, I can say what I have to say with lovingkindness rather than with needless provocativeness, and disagree with you, when I need to disagree, without being disagreeable.
See you all later.
Freak, is this the list you are searching for:
http://www.crimeseekers.net/forums/showthread.php?tid=3134
YouArrSuchAFreak: I read in here for days before posting. Quite a few links regarding the case and evidence was posted. I have been skimming through and have not located it yet. I'll keep looking. A search for them has not shown anything for me either. I think the Reno Gazette had them, but they archive everything and nothing is there today.
SIWL
Good morning, Nagarjuna amigo. It is a good way to start our conversations, and I will try to remember to put them before arguing relentlessly with you. lol I always have hoped that our disagreements here would not permanently end any friendships that we have developed here. I see all of you as a very special part of my life at the moment.
I also fear that Samantha is misunderstanding me and my current life. Rest assured, Samantha, I am a very responsible and caring person. My children are my life. And working to make a living, my sons' educations, my familys happiness and God are first and foremost in my life. Second would be arguing with Nag here. Im joking. I think I agree with Nagarjuna more than anyone here. Well, besides Tara. She agrees the most with him, I come second. Maybe goblinbee and I tie on agreeing with Nagarjuna. I am not sure. But I do agree with many of his views.
Denise this is even better than what we were looking for. This is the complete PDF. We are off for a bit to do some research. Take care.
Thanks so much for your help also Samantha. I hope this catches you before you put to much time in searching this blog.
Samantha, can I ask you in which state you are a police officer?
I don't think misunderstand Denise. I thought I read that you quit, but something in a comment this morning made me think you were still doing drugs. I am glad to hear that you are not.
YouAreSuchAFreak. I hope you come back soon. Was hoping to chat a bit.
I will be back in a few. The dog is not liking something outside.
Yes, you can ask Denise. But I will have to think about whether it is wise to reveal this at this time to say where, and I hope you will understand why.
Sorry so long. YouAreSuchAFreak are you still hanging around?
Hello Denise, Samantha. Coonhound are you around?
Yes, still around, but Denise gave us a link... see above. We have the complete Complaint now. Looking at the possible sentences.
I understand, Samantha. And I think I wouldnt have an interest, if it wasnt for the fact that you are a police officer. I was thinking in the differences of the west coast, mid America and the east coast.
hi guys/gals catching up on 284 comments. Hope everyone is well.
YouAreSuchAFreak,
that pdf for the 29 charges there was no link on your comment i am interested in reading that.. and the Jennifer Schuett story, what a story..what a survivor. so strong.. her strength is amazing...
i have to admit i missed ya guys and gals.. :)
Samantha,
What do you think about the G20 protest?
okay, you must have good ole P132 computer. LOL. I avoid that at all costs.
Finally. Thanks Denise. I am going to read the news for a bit then I will be back. Call me if I can help YouAreSuchAFreak.
I don't know anything about a G20 protest.
Actually, Boogie do you want to meet us at Starbucks? Mike is itching to get out of here and we are both interested in going through this. Do you want to go to the lake today, maybe play for a bit, but could use your help to pick up the boat.
Hi BrendaStar. Denise left a link above which leads to the full complaint: http://www.rgj.com/assets/pdf/J7141529828.PDF
Samantha,
you siad and I quote:
"But they effect other people in other ways. It is not the drug that should be blamed though, it is the person who knows what the drug does and takes it."
"Gratifying themselves over and above thinking of the responsibility or the harm it places on others. We all have a choice to do or not do drugs. We all have a choice whether or not to hurt someone in these ways."
an addict is not making a conscious decision to hurt people they are an addict. I think it is sad the way people view people that have lost everything because they decided to use drugs and or alcohol and just the way people view addict in general. Yes they picked up the drug but as obviously you dont understand this Samantha there is always a deep rooted reason, issue, emotion, event, ect. for this that the addict is trying to get away emotionally from... As a police officer i found your statement uncaring and callas. Yes addict do do this thing they lie they steal they hurt others ect. Once upon a time when they were individuals not ran by a chemical and or addiction there was a reason that propelled them into this. Humans are amazing and we sometimes survive certain situations because they are too painful to deal with..and we escape...
Hi YouAreSuchAFreak,
Thank you very much I appreciate it.
Samantha,
thank you for your reply just curious.
SIWL
Hi, Samantha. You mentioned in a previous comment that you found some of the discussion here "disturbing."
I'd just like to say that I hope you don't read more negativity into it than is actually there. Yes, some of us have had our disagreements, and we've been more disagreeable about it than we needed to be. But I think I speak for Freak, Boogie, Denise and others as well as for myself in saying that I think most of the back and forth between us has been more, as I characterized it earlier, "bantering" than violent confrontation. Yes, there may have been a touch of frustration, exasperation, or just plain rambunctiousness tossed into the mix, but not outright hatred, outrage, or any other kind of real malevolence. And I think that there's been a fair measure of substantive discussion underneath the occasional verbal pyrotechnics.
Denise, you commented earlier something to the effect that some of us have "attacked" you after you've told your personal stories of trial and tragedy. I just want to make very clear, mi amiga, that I have disagreed with some of your arguments and taken issue with them more disagreeably than I would have liked, but I have never made fun or light of the very difficult times you've gone through. I hugely respect how you've been able to pull your life together after enduring trials that most of us can't even imagine, much less would we be able to come out the other side with the strength and grace that you have shown here and in your life in general.
BrendaStar:
I am not without understanding of the addict.
I am also without understanding that they are not, nor can many of them afford to be under the influence at all times. I see the addiction when they take their first grasp of money to drugs rather than to their children, groceries and/or any other household expense.
I also see the options given to them when they are sober and in jail. Some take it, very few make it. But they are clear headed when they leave jail. They know the consequences when they take the drug again.
Samantha,
Yes that is true but they do know just sometimes emotions are to much to deal with and it triggers them then they relapse which relapse is a part of recovery and sometimes they come back and sometimes they do not. Its about dealing with those issues that are triggering you to use in the first place. Its dealing with those issues that are imperative to ones recovery. If the addict refuses to deal with those deep rooted emotions sadly they will probably always be an addict escaping there emotions.
However, you are correct, my compassion does lie more with the abused and neglected children of the drug addicts. As well as the damage to society as a whole.
I cannot excuse, and being an officer of the law, does not allow me to let a drug addict off the hook when they break the law and hurt anyone or damage anyone's property. Having compassion for them alone is not going to help the community but most certainly will hurt the community if there were not law enforcement to arrest and confine those who are drugged and acting out in bizarre ways.
Maybe it would be best if you shared what you felt law enforcement should do and feel in these circumstances.
YouAreSuchAFreak. Get off your phone or call me. SBs sounds great right now. The lake sounds good, but I think we will need more help. I have never done this before.
Denise,
i read your comment:
"Tuesday morning Fresno County sheriff's deputies arrested 31-year-old Vincent Chavez, a 6th grade English teacher at Grant, and 31-year-old Samuel Garza, a substitute teacher, on charges of possessing child pornography."
Insane, he says. Struck with an illness, he says. Knows not what they are doing, he says. Victims, he says. pfft
These 2 do not seem like victims to me.
WHY do you think they would risk their employment? THINK!!
Well, I ask this: WHY WOULD THEY CHOOSE THIS PARTICULAR EMPLOYMENT?
i agree with you these people that prey on children prey on jobs of this nature...
Samantha,
I am not blaming you for having to incarcerate these people ect. or for feeling for their families as you should. You asked what I think law inforcement should do and or feel and I feel you should have more compassion and understanding. Yet maintain your position as a peace officer as well. Ive met really nice police officers and I have met ones as well that are not so nice and compassionate for people in general. Id say though most are here to do what they are supposed to do and do.
Let me just say again. I understand drug addicts addiction. I do have a sympathy for the problem. I do know many have broke the cycle and I do know that most drug addicts, when arrested are given the opportunity of the same free of charge.
As for many officers attitudes you come across. Each individual is different. But I can also tell you if you come across an officer with a kind heart one day, the next day they may have a hard heart. It is a tough job, and that is no excuse, but when you see the things you see in this job, there is no way to have it not effect you. There are weaker personalities and stronger personalities of officers. Some officers go bad, some quit because they cannot take it anymore, but the majority are out here to help the public by keeping crime at bay.
I see myself quitting. There are not many officers that make a lifetime career out of this anymore.
Hurricane,
Is it better that the blog is a psychotic babble of a pedophile or now actually people that talk vs. some piece of crap's ramblings? which is better?
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