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I think they highly need to be held accountable for these things and lying to the public anyways while we are fighting a war that is a lie, and our women and men are laying down their lives to defend us... Thats also why the 9/11 truth movement is really important they are trying still to have Bush testify under oath and he REFUSES to do so. You know that whole 9/11 commisin that went on for a year and went nowhere that is the same group 9/11 truth movement. And as far as the pentagon no plane wreckage ever recovered? ask yourself that? how did all the plane rubble just dissapear.. No plane ever hit the pentagon. They think we are stupid like sheep its why they try to do this to us they want us to be like sheep..
The best all round Americans, in my view are Canadians
How convenient that the reporter ran out of time while that man was presenting his proof.
Denise and Boogie,
Id love to carry on this conv. I unfortunately have to go to work for a bit :( lol. I hope you both have a wonderful day it has been great this am chatting with the both of you. Nag have a good day too :) i know your somewhere out there... (giggle in a non harrassing way) ;) I have to admit as Denise did but I do enjoy debating with some of you guys and reading your thoughts and sarcasm, lol. and seeing what today we are going to debate about.. ha-ha :) have a great day everyone talk to you later.
BrendaStar: I must admit that I was doing other things while this was playing on my computer. I missed some things and have been trying to find segments here and there relating to what I have had questions on so far. The security issue is obviously one that I haven't replayed yet. I am sure I will replay and study this video many times before I start digging into other sites.
(Finding this time worries me, because my life has been so busy, and already much of my life has been placed on hold while I try to deal with the issue of these pedophiles. I have a very hard time with the idea that people will want to push this very important issue under the carpet and forget about it, and/or just give these creeps and excuse of illness and then walk away and let it continue.)
Can you share your insight with me, what is the ultimate purpose of these cover-ups? What facts should I especially look for to find the truth here. I understand five years is a long time to research this and can see your passion. Is anything being done by all the formed groups to expose and get these things recognized?
BrendaStar, thank you and have a wonderful day yourself! We learn so much from each other here. I have learned so much from this blog, my brain hurts. lol
Boogie,
I will answer your questions later on this afternoon when i have a little more time. I look forward to it. Have a good day.
Sorry BrendaStar, I didn't see your last post while writing my last post. I see these groups are pushing to expose all of this.
Denise: The government did know about the hijacked planes before they hit the towers and pentagon. They just didn't know what they were up to, so the idea of shooting our own planes, with citizens came to late.
You to BrendaStar - Have a nice day.
lol ralph, I have a few Canadian friends. And while they are incredibly awesome, they are soooo crazy. lol Well, my friends are crazy anyhow. But in a good way. One of my best friends lives in Canada, born and raised. And she is hilariously insane.
BoogieManHater: Denise: The government did know about the hijacked planes before they hit the towers and pentagon. They just didn't know what they were up to, so the idea of shooting our own planes, with citizens came to late
Ok, Thank you for the explanation. That makes so much sense to me now. Thank you.
i cant brake away!!!!!!!! haha :) while 9/11 was occuring our fighter jets that protect that area ironically were on a "fake drill" and the drill was in case of a plane being hijacked and flown into a building. This was the same time this was actually happening and our fighter jets were in a mock drill of the exact same scenario. research that...
BrendaStar, your last comment made me consider this:
Do you think it is possible that the terrorists were actually informed of all of this happening in the twin towers, and the fake drills that day, beforehand?
Oh, and that is another thing I always tell to my Congresswoman and attorneys, and the INS when I am arguing with them about what is taking so long to bring my fiance here. "If he was a terrorist, damn it, he would BE HERE ALREADY!!!" Terrorists do not stop at the border and wait years for permission to enter!!"
BrendaStar.... that again is something I slightly heard about, but can now look at in a whole knew light! Wow, it looks like my life will take on a whole new study for years to come.
What is wrong with my spelling again today.
Look at Alex Jones:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2822172/alex_jones_arrested_for_refusing_to_thumbscan/
lol Is Geoge Bush on Meth? He sounds just like so many studdering non thinking dope feens I know. I apologize if he has a legitimate speech impediment that cant be helped. But "UH, BUT UH, BUT OK." lol What?? Listen to this phone message he left for Alex Jones.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1439186/george_bush_calls_alex_jones_answering_machine/
denise said
"Do you think it is possible that the terrorists were actually informed of all of this happening in the twin towers, and the fake drills that day, beforehand?"
How do we know that there were genuine terrorists on the planes ?
BrendaStar: I am finding there is a lot of truth in subliminal messages, especially today! I mentioned that during much of this video, while listening and watching I was also doing other things. This a.m., I questioned the idea that maybe this place was pre-wired.... and not necessarily by terrorists. A lot of what I was re-reviewing this a.m. would lead one to believe this, but now, I am at the section of the video regarding the security. I must have heard it in the background, while doing other things and wasn't paying to close of attention to it (?). Actually the video does lead to this, and this portion just fills in the gap.
Tara, I am saying that if, in fact, the government isnt lying. It may be possible that, if there were actual hijacking terrorists on board, the way they say, maybe they had an informer, from inside the government to give them information beforehand, but it might not have been the officials that we have been accusing and suspecting.
It was just a question to make us think on both sides of the issue.
My baby just called me from my brothers house, crying some. He is ready to come home. I will be back later.
Also, I cannot control what happens in the world. But I do have things I have the power to care for inside my own home that is piling up. Have a great day everyone. God bless.
denise
I must admit I haven't done any research into the 9/11 conspiracies, although I was aware they exist.
Not only was your country lied to which led to the Iraq war but also we in the UK were lied to by our own government and whistleblowers can be silenced.
Just google Dr David Kelly and the theories surrounding his suspicious death. Was it really suicide ?
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/07/13/doctors-demand-inquest-into-death-of-kelly/
"Nagarjuna, you really HAVENT been around drug addicts much in your life, have you. "
Denise, with all due respect, and I DO say this with respect, you didn't answer the actual question I put to you. Let me explain what I mean. I asked you to "suppose" or pretend that your cousin sustained brain damage from an accident at work rather than from drug abuse. You replied. "For one thing, brain damaged people from accidents rarely go around committing crimes. And brain damage from a contruction accidesnt is SO SO DIFFERENT that the damages to ones brain from drug abuse." But, you see, Denise, I didn't ask you to compare brain damage from drug abuse to brain damage from the accident I described, and I didn't ask you to comment on whether you thought the accident I described could cause the kind of murderous violence I described. I asked you to "suppose" or pretend that it did cause it, and then tell me if you would want someone who suffered that kind of accident and became uncontrollably violent as a result to be executed for it.
Now, my dear Denise, I can't make you answer the question if you don't want to. And I won't lose my cool and "shout" at you the way I did last night if you don't. :-) But if you would be so kind as to answer it, I'd really appreciate it.
Oh, and by the way, Denise. brain damage from the kind of accident I described CAN cause uncontrollable violence. That's why I used that particular example.
It is always good when people delve into truths and confront the government. However rare it is that it gets recognized and those responsible punished. There is entirely to much money built up to use blocking our efforts. We are a controlled country more than anyone would ever believe as long as we are pacified with the "idea" of FREEDOM.
Has anyone else noticed when we get new presidents, how they look polished and significantly younger than they look 3 to 6 months after they have been in office. How much of their new full heads of gray hair and other aged appearances do you think can be contributed to the horrible secrets they learn upon taking office. Why so many secrets? Could it be the almighty dollar again.
Just a quick thought I had to express after reading today's topic.
"That doesnt really happen this way. But if it did, I guess we would still prosecute him the same, because I wouldnt believe that he had forgotten he had it. And then every new criminal suspect would use that excuse "i forgot" as their alibi."
My dear Denise [fighting my frustration but keeping my cool], once again, I didn't ask you IF you believed it could happen the way I described. I asked you to suppose or pretend that his HIV DID make him forget that he had it and that doctors could offer overwhelming proof that this was the case. So, let me ask the question again, and I'll cross my fingers that you'll answer it directly. :-) Suppose someone had HIV and infected someone else with it during sex because he didn't tell that person he had it because the HIV affected his memory and made him forget that he had it. Further suppose that doctors certified that this was the case, and YOU BELIEVED THE DOCTORS (I'm not "shouting" this time, just emphasizing a key element of my hypothetical). Would you want this person executed?
One more thing, Denise. I didn't see where you addressed the point I made about how drug abuse could be understood as blameless. Not that I'm God (well, actually, I am, but we won't get into that right now. :-)) and can compel you to answer, but I'd be interested in reading your answer. In other words, you seem to think that people can be blamed for abusing drugs and for the damage their drug abuse causes their brains, because they freely choose to abuse drugs. I commented that I didn't believe this, and I explained why. But I didn't see you address this point.
freak
"We are a controlled country more than anyone would ever believe as long as we are pacified with the "idea" of FREEDOM"
The UK is exactly the same when you actually look beyond one's immediate surroundings.
For the past 2+ years I have spent a considerably amount of time following and researching the very sad "disappearance" of Madeleine McCann
All is not as our media try to brain-wash us into believing.
Quite probable that our government is involved in a cover-up.
There are many of us who are trying the make the real truth known. The parents are suing anyone who dares to say anything aginst them. Books are being banned. They are trying to get web-sites closed down.
It's gone beyond the tragic & mysterious "disappearance" of Madeleine to issues of our freedoms.
It was involement in this issue that made me first notice the Jaycee story when it made the headlines.
McCanns were using this tragic case for their own agenda/propaganda
Tara--
"I must admit I haven't done any research into the 9/11 conspiracies, although I was aware they exist."
I'm not big on conspiracy theories, although perhaps I should look into them more than I do. I guess I just tend to think that if there really ARE these evil conspiracies taking place, the media will somehow get hold of the truth and put it out there for us in a very compelling way.
As far as 9/11 goes, I believe that PBS's excellent science series NOVA recently aired an episode analyzing aspects of one or more of the Twin Tower conspiracy theories, and, even though I didn't watch it, I'm guessing that they convincingly refuted these theories. For anyone who's interested, you can probably watch part or all of this episode on the PBS Nova website.
"Not only was your country lied to which led to the Iraq war but also we in the UK were lied to by our own government and whistleblowers can be silenced."
Yes, there was plenty of lying or, at least, misinformation to go around. But, for what it's worth, Tara, many of us in this country despised the Bush presidency, were very skeptical of its claims about Iraqi WMD's, and didn't believe that, even if these claims were true, there was anything close to justification for our attacking Iraq.
"Has anyone else noticed when we get new presidents, how they look polished and significantly younger than they look 3 to 6 months after they have been in office."
Freak, I've long half seriously believed that anyone who wants to be president in today's world is too crazy to be president. :-)
nagarguna said
"But, for what it's worth, Tara, many of us in this country despised the Bush presidency"
Yes I obviously realised that not all the USA citizens would support Bush. Hypothetically, because I don't know your exact voting figures, for every supporter of Bush there would be 1 (more or less) opponent
Tara--
Yes, Al Gore actually received more popular votes (including mine) than Bush did in 2000, but our, in my opinion, screwy electoral college system PURPORTEDLY gave the election to Bush, with more than a little help from Bush's Republican friends on the Supreme Court. And the 2004 popular vote was very close too, with Bush winning by approximately 3 percentage points.
But I, for one, believe that Bush was one of the most incompetent and destructive presidents we've ever had, and I felt embarrassed if not ashamed for my country the whole time he was in office. Thank God he wasn't followed by that doddering, old, egomaniacal as*hole McCain! :-)
And his bimbo sidekick Sarah Palin. :-)
Okay BrendaStar. I know I will watch this movie at least another 10 times while I dig for more information, but I have listened to it once and watched all today as well as re-reviewed segments several times today.
Of course, as you were interested in knowing, this most certainly does spark my interest. More importantly what sparks my interest is why any court, or any other government authority is not responding to these allegations.
From this video, there does appear to be a lot of questions that certainly need addressing.
While I find myself becoming more and more enraged, I have to also sit back and reflect on the fact that terrorism is also about turning America upside down. Having us fight amongst ourselves. We have seen the video of Bin Laden bragging and laughing at our horrors. I don't know how all this fits in, but I look forward to finding out. In the meantime, I think I will first follow-up on those who made this video and their pasts and political interests. I also very much would like to know more about Silverstein and his background. I can't imagine all this information being out there and not hearing about his demise! Many people watching something like would believe anything and everything they see without question or research, so I cannot imagine Silverstein has not had to run and hide from several death threats. Very interesting.
Back to the point at hand. Gariddo and his kind need to be eradicated. We need to make his logo come true, Something Brand New Has Taken Place. The people fight back!
Nagarjuna
I do usually watch live news coverage of both our UK elections and the USA elections when they happen. I usually lose a whole nights sleep for yours lol.
I do remember the Al Gore/Bush saga in 2000. All the lawyers dashing around to different judges with objections. I thought then that Al Gore was “robbed” and that it was going to be a very depressing outcome as far as the rest of the world was concerned.
I just had a bad feeling about it all when Bush was declared winner.
Sadly history has shown my gut feeling to be correct
Phillip Paul, Escaped Killer, On the Run in Washington
I hope if this guy loses it again and attacks someone, once his medication wears off, that someone has the ability to shoot first and ask questions later.
boogiemanhater
"More importantly what sparks my interest is why any court, or any other government authority is not responding to these allegations"
Maybe do a bit more research on Bilderberg or "New World Order" as I think it was brendastar has already suggested, very informative
"Sadly history has shown my gut feeling to be correct."
Tara, that's one of the understatements of the new millennium. :-)
lol Everyone in here can ask me questions that I will never answer again, after I decide to break away from this blog. But as long as Nagarjuna keeps throwing questions at me. I will always respond. lol
Nag:"Oh, and by the way, Denise. brain damage from the kind of accident I described CAN cause uncontrollable violence. That's why I used that particular example"
Then, Nagarjuna, in a case like this, we can put these people in a secure mental facility and hold them forever. As long as they never have the chance to be released after they have been "cured".
But on the other hand, I truly believe that if we found out that this had happened to Garrido. That he did these things because he had been brain damaged by a mighty blow to his head in some costruction accident, I do not think it will matter to many people. And we would all say he deserves the death penalty.
One size does not fit all, Nagarjuna. We have to look at the crime itself, the circumstances, the repeated offenses, and the extent and length of each crime.
Tara, to believe that EVERY legal authority is involved in this, if it in fact is all true, is absurd. There are some humanely dignified individuals in the USA
boogiemanhater
"There are some humanely dignified individuals in the USA"
I'm certain that there are, same as our country, and I wasn't suggesting otherwise.
Nagarjuna, I am sorry if I did not and will not be able to respond to all of your requests for me to play make-believe on certain seemingly unrealistic scenarios. But my oldest son just entered the room and dropped a huge bomb in my lap. As each dollar I earn is already gone before I receive it, and after writing a 300 dollar hot check for his glasses that I had to later compensate for with some added fees. He just informed me that he let some kid hold his glasses for him yesterday at their out of town football game. And now they are gone forever. I want to explode. I want to just walk away from everything this very moment. GRR!
Now, BoogieManHater, I expect my damn pity party, please. UFF
I just watched a video on Madeleine McCann, and realized that Tara has this same adorable accent.
denise
We do need a smilie for (blush)
Actually Denise, your point on the expense of glasses and you not being able to meet that expense goes directly to my belief that we need to put an end to supporting and re-releasing pedophiles. We need to stop spending needed resources on this, we need to stop using humane arguments to do this, and we need to begin showing humanity to those who wish to leave productive lives. The laws need to be changed. When an animal like Garrido admits to the horrible crimes he has committed, it makes absolutely no sense to support his damn ass. When we have the ability to prove these acts with others by use of DNA, etc., we need to put them down as well. We need to stop using excuses that ALL law enforcement frames these people. We need to put an end to the lives of those that would do such things, and move on.
"When an animal like Garrido admits to the horrible crimes he has committed, it makes absolutely no sense to support his damn ass."
You, Boogie, are a HUMAN animal, and so is Phillip Garrido. And I believe that it DOES does make sense to quarantine rather than kill him if mental illness, disorder, or defect caused him to commit the crimes he did.
Yes, my friend, I know you don't believe this is the case with Garrido, but you still haven't, in my ever-so-humble opinion, :-) done a satisfactory job of explaining HOW a person who isn't sick could do what Garrido did.
To attribute his actions to mere selfishness, as some have done here, seems, frankly, ludicrous.
On the other hand, if you believe that it really doesn't matter whether sickness made him do it, then it seems to me that the morality of your position should be held in serious question.
Denise: Even God's angels had wars with Satan's demons.... just an easier way of quoting.
"One size does not fit all, Nagarjuna. We have to look at the crime itself, the circumstances, the repeated offenses, and the extent and length of each crime."
Thank you for answering my question, Denise. Correct me if I'm wrong, but what I "hear" you saying is that if someone goes crazy and beats an old lady to bloody death because brain injury that wasn't his fault caused him to do it, you wouldn't press for his execution. But if mental disease, disorder, or defect that isn't someone's fault causes him to kidnap people and rape them, he should die not because he is any more to "blame" than the first person, and not because he poses any more of a threat or expense to society to be locked up for the rest of his life than does the first person, but because his crime was worse. In other words, the primary consideration we should make in sentencing people for crimes is the MAGNITUDE of the crime and not the degree of culpability for the crime.
And they will fight again
Denise, I'm sorry about your son's glasses. It sounds to me as though two young men need to go to work and pay you back ASAP.
BoogieManHater, I AGREE WITH YOU 100 PERCENT! You, and nobody else, could have said that better!!
Denise, I know you are okay to continue this argument. And quite frankly, I rather get a kick out of some of your responses. But for days, and I do not know why, I cannot find it in the bible, but I have been looking. The word tells us not to subject ourselves to what we know is wrong. Not to allow ourselves to be swayed. We know Satan is amongst us. We know when we see it. When we know he stands before us, he is capable of weaving his lies to us. Again, we are instructed not to subject ourselves to this.
As I said, you have done pretty well with your arguments here, and it can be humorous at times, but...
"Denise: Even God's angels had wars with Satan's demons.... just an easier way of quoting."
Boogie, I don't know if you're Christian or not, so I don't know what you or anyone else thinks of your quote above. But I've read comments by people here that Satan had something to do with the evil that guys like Garrido and Bundy have done. And then I read this quote by you about "God's angels" fighting "Satan's demons," and I just wonder what's up with that. Why do the angels of an all-powerful God need to "fight" the demons of a NOT all-powerful deposed angel, what in blue blazes are they fighting for, and why oh why would an all-powerful God allow evil Satan to even exist much less run free to use his supernatural guile to trick vulnerable humans into going along with him?
I mean, really! Doesn't this, on a literal level, sound like just about the most nonsensical fairy tale you've ever heard? :-) And if it isn't to be taken literally but, rather, metaphorically, just what in the heck is the METAPHORICAL meaning of it?
Damn, that was perfect timing. Gee, wonder where that came from :) Proof in God.
"Damn, that was perfect timing. Gee, wonder where that came from :) Proof in God."
Yep, the Devil made me do it, with God's divine manipulaton. :-) You're on to me, Boggie! Better watch out. I and my boss are comin' to get you. :-)
Boooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaahhhhhh!
You see, when I couldn't find the passage, and then just tried to find a way to describe what I have learned and followed over the years, God still does show his divine intervention. What better way for him to allow illustration of this very thought that has been nagging at me for days.
Booooooooooaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Nagarjuna, I am sorry, but Boogie's last 2 statements made me realize that all of your pretend made up make believe scenarios in the world will never make me change my mind.
Too many people do not want to use common sense anymore. And I am not one of them. Bring me a REALISTIC situation with TRUE AND PROVEN facts, Nag. And I will tell you what my COMMON SENSE tells me. Ok?
Have I told you all yet, this life experience I have had? When I was 17, my mother shot my father. They were in their bedroom fighting. And my brother had come to wake me up and tell me they were fighting. So what, I said, they always fight. "No, Denise, this time is really bad" He told me with so much panic in his voice. "UFF" and a "Grr!!" came from me as I got up, and walked towards their bedroom to scream at them "Cant anyone get any sleep around here!!" I opened the door, BOOM! the gun goes off. I did not see anything for the next I do not know how many seconds or minutes. Then I am in the living room, my mother throws me a towel and tells me I better go stop my fathers bleeding. He is in the bedroom, I open the door, throw the towel to him, tell him mom said he better stop the bleeding. The next thing I know, I am in the hallway, telling my father to go back in the bedroom, she still has the gun. My father was holding his guts up, outside of the huge hole in his side. He tells me he has to hide his dope because the police will be here soon. Many things happened after that, but I am sure you do not care to read all of it.
When the police arrive, I punch the crap out of one of the cops, in my hysterics, and they all jump on me. I seen my mother standing on the front porch calmly asking the police why they are on me, she is the one that shot him.
My father, as I have said before, was a major drug dealer and organized criminal. He had attorneys on retainer always, and the neighbors that we had, were also the neighbors he grew up next to. Two of them were police officers.
My mother used my fathers attorneys to be acquitted on self defense. She said my father pulled a knife. I never seen one. There were, however, many of my family members that had come to stash my dad's paraphanelia and drugs, before the police arrived.
I will never know the truth. My father cannot tell the truth. My mother has a story and shes sticking to it. I cannot be strong enough to speak with my mother about that day, as I want to choke her to death when she says things that I never seen proof of.
This is not a pity party. By far. I actually have decided that I am greatful to every disasterous incident that I have ever had in my life. I accept them as educational experiences. I am stronger and I am less naive.
Also, I want to say that I love my mother with all of my heart and would die for her. I would also kill for that woman.
Anyhow, what is my point in all of this? I to this day, have no idea if what my mother says is truth. I was there, I seen the gun go off, she was 4 feet away from him. I know I have never seen my father hit my mother. She says he has. Also, my brother that is more crazy about my mother, says he has seen him hit her. I will never know for sure.
Boogie: but.....
do you care to elaborate please? And continue with part 2 or the conclusion of this commented section, please.
Denise, I don't expect to change your mind. I'm long past trying to get you to do that. I'm just trying to understand more precisely what you and others here believe and to, maybe, help you understand and evaluate it better yourself.
"Boogie: but.....
do you care to elaborate please? And continue with part 2 or the conclusion of this commented section, please."
Boogieman may not be back for awhile. He may be anxiously waiting for my boss to knock...knock...knock on his door. :-)
Boooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!
I just got the word. He's on his way, Boogie! Expect him any moment,
Denise,
Alex Jones has a lot of very good documentary's, very good.. He talks a lot about marshal law. And the things he talks about are true.He s a little intense for some but no more then Rush Limbagh.
im baaaaaaaack.. lol.
I always imagine 2 teenage boys, much like Huckleberry Finn and Tom Sawyer I guess his name was, wanting to do some very bad things. But one of them, the shyer one, reminds the other that God will not like it if they harm others.
Then the more influencial one says, "BAH, WHO SAYS GOD REALLY EXISTS ANYHOW! WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PROOF SO WE CAN DO WHAT WE WANT"
So, by convincing the other boy that normally would have avoided harming others, that there is no proof of God. He led that boy to believe that it is now safe to cause as much havoc as they want. All because they now decided to believe there is no God, for their own advantages.
Nag: Boogieman may not be back for awhile. He may be anxiously waiting for my boss to knock...knock...knock on his door. :-)
Actually, Nag, I believe that BoogieManHater will not have fear of your stupid and lame boss, because Boogie seems to have protection from the Blood of the Lamb.
BOOOOOOOOOYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
Oh, yeah. And Nagarjuna, your previous statement that you are God, was very disturbing.
He's gettin' closer, Boogie! Look out! :-)
Nagarjuna,
"I mean, really! Doesn't this, on a literal level, sound like just about the most nonsensical fairy tale you've ever heard? :-) And if it isn't to be taken literally but, rather, metaphorically, just what in the heck is the METAPHORICAL meaning of it?"
Do you believe in Spirits or ghost per say or that they exist at all? Just curious.
Hello everyone! I have a couple questions. Denise, what the heck is UFF? Tara, please tell me more about the McCanns. All I had heard was that their young daughter was kidnapped.
the but.... Denise just meant what I wrote above. Subjecting ourselves to Satan, always leaves the door open to him. It can only last for so long before he gets in.
As for your family and all that you have gone through. I am sorry about the pity party comment. I really am. It is just that, even though you have had it tough in life, and you really do have a lot to reflect upon. You are here and able to discuss things with a sense of victory over and above all that has happened to you.
When people say things like we have all had it tough, nothing is easy in life, I have always thought that to mean, if we choose Jesus as our savior, we are only given us as much as we can handle. You have been given quite a bit, and you seem to be handling everything okay. Not that we enjoy trials and tribulation, but don't you think that says something extra special for you. After all you have been through, you still have faith in Jesus. So, what are you going to do with that? Proclaim him at the top of your lungs! :)
Welcome back, BrendaStar.
"Oh, yeah. And Nagarjuna, your previous statement that you are God, was very disturbing."
I AM God. And so are YOU. Study comparative religion, take some LSD, or gaze at your navel long enough, and you will see, my child. :-)
I am never ashamed to proclaim my love for Jesus. And I find ample opportunities to discuss Him with many different persons, (at their prompt, not mine) during my daily duties of meeting with new and sickly persons. I would also like to add that so many of the people that are dying and miserable, when I meet with them, are broken down with tears and relief after speaking with me about God. Even the ones that havent thought twice about the Lord in a long time, or are angry with Him for tragedies that occurred in their lives.
This is proof to me that He exists. And regardless if He exists or not, I know the relief that some receive just be praying and speaking about Him, is proof enough to at least believe.
What I meant, was that I was waiting to see it here. I have just seen some. Thank you. :)
I am NOT God, and neither are you. And thanks alot, now I am going to have to pray extra hard for you. As if you do not take up enough of my time here, now you have to be a huge part of my bedside time before I go to sleep each night. lol But I have to tell you, I do not know if there is enough prayer in me to actually save your soul, Nag. So me and BoogieManHater will spit down on you, when you are burning up and begging for any kind of relief. JK. lol
Hi BrendaStar. I had a morning of deep thought this morning on 9/11. I cringe at the idea that I will now be spending many many hours studying up on this, but I think it must be done!
"I am NOT God, and neither are you."
Sure we are, Denise! Get with the program! :-)
Ah, I want to tell a story that had happened while I was working. I sometimes have to go door to door to find people in need of In Home Care. Since Medicare (grr) will not pay for the services, and only low income persons are eligible for Medicaid, I always have to walk through the most dangerous neighborhoods.
One day, there is a big scary woman sitting on a porch in one of the most scariest neighborhoods I have been in. Even worse than my own. She had this mean face along with her mean voice and said to me, "Whatchu doin walkin round hurr by yo self!!" I told her that it is a part of the duties of my job, and I am just working right now. She said, "You need someone witchu, you aint safe!!" I told her that I am not alone. I have Jesus with me. The look on her face changed so fast, from mean and hardcore to a huge smile. Her voice even changed to a cheery elderly aunt like voice. She was like, "Aight, gurl, you go on witchyoself den", let me know if I needed anything, she "got my back".
I think of that as a very memorable event in this job.
Not THAT program, thanks but I am not interested. :) peace
Like Footprints in the Sand.
Some people find me eccentric. And to me, that is sad. Because the reason they think this about me, is because I am open, honest, and I always try to keep it real. I never really try to speak around things that most people would try to avoid. Nothing is shocking to me anymore, and I will say anything at any given time. I talk about any controversial thing, with an open mind. I argue alot with my friends when they think something is so unfair, like their food stamps got lessened, or their friend got sentenced too harshly. And I say so many things in front of my black friends and it took them awhile to accept the things I say, after they got to know me and how I am.
Anyhow, to me it is sad that people see me as eccentric. Because I do not "go with the flow" of everyone else. I try to always do right. And I do not accept free handouts.
"Do you believe in Spirits or ghost per say or that they exist at all? Just curious."
Brenda, I don't believe in spirits or ghosts. I won't say that I know they don't exist, just that I've never heard, read, or experienced anything to persuade me that they do.
And, as I wrote previously, I don't understand how evil demons or spirits of any kind could coxist with the Christian God of omnibenevolence and omnipotence. Yet, there is this big deal about the ongoing struggle between God and His angels and Satan and his demons for control of the world and human souls, and, I have to tell you, Brenda, that it really DOES sound like one preposterous fairy tale.
I absolutely love Footprints in the Sand. And also the joke about the man that was drowning. Here comes a boat to rescue him. The man says, No thanks, the Lord will save me. Here comes a helicopter. The man says No thanks, the Lord will save me. After he drowns, he asks the Lord why he didnt save him. God says to him, "I sent you a boat and a helicopter"
That is supposed to show that sometimes we do not see the blessings that are in our face. But Nagarjuna will explain it in an opposite way, somehow.
what do you believe in Nag? do you believe in anything? The Darwin theory maybe??
"Yes, Goblinbee. But why did Garrido find his actions "rewarding"?
Hi Nagarjuna. You've been stating the answer to this question all along by saying he is sick. I suppose you could call him that—his behaviors are certainly on the extreme end of the spectrum. But still on the spectrum! (Interestingly, when someone does incredible things for the common good, we do not call them mentally ill.)
I think what you have been arguing is that, wherever we fall along the bell curve for whatever behavior we could measure, this is beyond our direct control. I’m not uncomfortable with the idea of determinism--I think it works as a plausible description of the way things work--but there is no way of knowing if it is accurate.
Maybe things work in a way that is unimaginable to us.
Denise, I haven't heard that exact parable, but I love it too! HE has his hand in so many things. Sometimes I get very down on the fact that "this is not heaven" and it can be so hard, especially accepting things that have happened like with Jaycee, but then I remember, I must earn my way through this mess, I need to prove my worthiness to him. What better way to ensure Heaven will always be Heaven!
Well, I have always heard that what happened was this:
satan was Gods favorite Angel. satan got jealous and told God that he thinks he could rule the people more than God could. And the people would love him much more than they love God. So God said, Ok, I will open the minds of the people. And I will give you full reign of the Earth. Those of my people that remain faithful to me will be rewarded. And those of them that turn to you, in the end, will be punished. satan agreed.
So essentially, the Lord is so Great, that we should all love and appreciate Him, and live for Him. satan has done nothing but evil to us and those we love. He puts temptation in our faces, to win over one more of Gods children. The strongest ones, that can turn to God for strength, will overcome the evils of satan. The only reason that I would ever pray for a criminal is to try to win their soul back from satan, and win one more soul for the Lord. I believe that each time a person dies that hasnt accepted the Lord, the enemy wins one more of Gods childrens souls.
I also do not care how silly people think I sound, and I have too much envy and admiration for the people, like the girl at Columbine HS, that professed her love for the Lord, 2 seconds before being shot.
TheBoogieManHater,
I am sorry to unload a burden although I truly understand what you are going through, I myself have had very strong emotions in regards to all of this and it has taken me a long time to process everything and I still am doing that...But i do feel it needs to be shared.. I do believe after researching quite a bit of these things that there is some factual based things after you do start researching all of this that have occurred that we have had no answers too. The media doesn't talk about it because they are owned by the government and can regulate what is being told to us, now with that said there are good reporters and what not that do report what is happening many, many of them do but they are censored. Or in there own minds they can not fathom this as well. Its hard to swallow for I think most... But facts are facts and after the scientific facts I just could not deny my feelings and I had to know more... just had to. I wanted you to know that I related to what you said at cringing at the thought of devoting hours to this subject but feeling it was something that HAD to be done also.... The Bilderberg Group is good to research.
Tara,
I agree with you about the UK and the USA involvement..
I used to think that Goblinbee was normal. But now, after reading her discussions with Nagarjuna, I have decided she is not.
Goblinbee, you are no longer normal. In my book, YOU ARE SUPER INTELLIGENT, GIRL!!! lol I am so impressed.
"Welcome back, BrendaStar" ~Denise
Why thank you Denise hello to you too. :)
"especially accepting things that have happened like with Jaycee," (BoogieManHater)
To me, these types of things happen because so many people will not accept the Lord, and therefore, evil runs rampant. I do not understand why Jaycee, not being evil, would have to be the one to suffer this rampant evil, but then I think that there is so much hatred in the world, and controversy and greed, that the enemy IS winning, and we all have to suffer for it, be strong, and keep our faith. In the end, the meek shall inherit the Earth.
Denise, as I think Tara said, we need an emoticon for (blush).
Welcome back, goblinbee.
Hi Denise. Did you get my question from before--what is UFF?
I always wished I could live in a fairytale when I was a child.
Nagarjuna has made me, this very day, thankful and blessed to realize that I am, by his beliefs, living a real life fairy tale. What a beautiful fairy tale to live in, as opposed to the horror movie others will find themselves in one day.
Thanks BrendaStar: I know it is something that can not just be dismissed. It is a burden because obviously, it is something that is or already has been a huge battle for those who have known for so long, including yourself, and the government and media have a fine way of keeping a lid on it. Just as the assassination of President Kennedy, it will take years and years of hard work and pain to bring this out.
I can't believe I am just learning of it. I am on the Internet every single day. With just what is out there now, there are some highly intelligent people working on this. Why can they not get the information out to the entire community? Knowing it is only known by so few at this late date, I am just getting started, know I have to dig into it, but already feel discouraged. But, I will get over it!
UFF is the sound you make when exhaling in frustration. Something like a sigh, but in frustration. If you actually say the word aloud, you will maybe see what I am talking about. lol
I wanted to say this one more time. Please accept this on the serious level that I am presenting it.
There is a website called WebSleuths. I think some people here will find it very helpful......IN ADDITION TO THIS BLOG. There seems to be some very intelligent people there, asking and answering some very intelligent questions. :) peace
"That is supposed to show that sometimes we do not see the blessings that are in our face. But Nagarjuna will explain it in an opposite way, somehow."
Denise, I've always liked that parable, even though, as you've no doubt anticipated, I have questions about it. :-)
One of my biggest questions is WHY someone doesn't "see the blessings that are in our face."
Christianity, or, at least, the kind of Christianity we hear from the TV preachers, seems to assume that those who don't see God's blessings FREELY CHOOSE not to see them and, therefore, deserve to suffer forever and ever in screaming agony if they make this choice. But I have to tell you, Denise, that this sounds like just about the sickest, most evil, and most disgusting idea I can think of.
First of all, that anyone deserves to suffer like this. If God DOES make or "let" people suffer in hell, in my opinion, he makes Phillip Garrido look like a super saint. But, beyond that, how could any sane person knowingly choose the everlasting tortures of hell over the everlasting bliss of heaven. To my way of thinking, NO sane person COULD knowingly do this. So, either God is, to take some liberties with St. Anselm, the most evilly sadistic being that can be conceived, or there is no hell. Or something like that. :-)
To tell you the truth, without having all the facts yet, just from what I have reviewed yesterday and today, I already tend to believe the government, or part of it, did have at least the later part of bringing those buildings down with our people in them, and I also tend to believe they had ulterior motives of hiding something within those buildings.
Simply because they have not addressed these issues brought forth to the public. If they had nothing to do with it, why are they not doing or saying anything about it. What, because they don't want to alert everyone to it? To keep it from the public? How long do they think that will last. It may take years, and they may be old and gray, or dead, but the truth will come out.
Denise,
To answer your questions about the terrorist having prior knowledge before hand well as Tara said and I agree I am not entirely sure of exactly who was on that plane and exactly how many actual terrorist from Al Qaeda where really on that plane as I have found discrepancy in those facts as well. But if there were and who they were I am not really sure and AM speculating this, but yes I would think they would have known prior...
Also, I do not know the extent of the website TOPIX, but we have a local one, and the towns near us have their local TOPIX website.
People go there to submit things to their local townspeople. And people with the same interests reply to them. I am going to start a TOPIX topic on the death penalty. And also for the medicare issues I have. When my local neighbors reply, I will bring their responses here.
Maybe your city or town also has one. It might be useful.
Unless the US had underground knowledge what they planned to do and did nothing. Just a passing thought.
"what do you believe in Nag? do you believe in anything? The Darwin theory maybe??"
Brenda, I try not to "believe," but to KINOW. Unfortunately, I am of a skeptical temperament, and I doubt that I know much of anything with anything approaching certainty. So, I guess I DO have a lot of beliefs. Too many to list much less detail here, except that I believe that no human being should be hated and tortured for the crimes he or she commits. :-)
You just knew I had to slip that in, didn't you? If I hadn't, Boogieman would have been heartbroken. :-)
Nag,
"So, I guess I DO have a lot of beliefs. Too many to list much less detail here"
In your exact words, yet I find it very interesting as you have detailed everything else you believe in HERE but just not WHAT you believe in, and it being too much to detail here is odd to me as you have detailed quite a bit here already... hmmmm.. I think you are evading my questions...
but guess what i'll let you slide.... ;) (wink)
Nag:"that those who don't see God's blessings FREELY CHOOSE not to see them"
There are blessings that people receive every day, that they will never even realize they have received. I thank the Lord always for all of my blessings. The ones that I see, and those I do not. I apologize for the blessings that came my way, that I ignored, and also the sins I committed unknowingly. Like perhaps, arguing in this blog.
I refuse to keep the Lord in LockDown. I am sad for those that turn their backs on Him. And also, I am sad for the Lord.
If you look at your own parents. And you turned your backs on them to live with a neighbor or a different family member, how sad is that? How wrong is it? And also, you will lose your inheritance if there is one, when you decide to turn your back on your folks. Is that sadistical of your parents? Evil of them? They created you. They gave you everything to survive, plus some. They could not always protect you either.
Im sorry if I am making mixed up comments. My sons keep fighting. And my baby is tattling.
It is easier to decide the punishment for criminals, than it is to decide who is right and who is wrong, inside of my own home.
An aside to Nagarjuna, TheBoogieManHater, and YouAreSuchAFreak:
If any of you like (or don't mind) the nicknames Nag, Boogie, and Freak, I would want to use them from time to time. I think they are all adorable, and would not be using any of them out of disrespect.
"I think what you have been arguing is that, wherever we fall along the bell curve for whatever behavior we could measure, this is beyond our direct control. I’m not uncomfortable with the idea of determinism--I think it works as a plausible description of the way things work--but there is no way of knowing if it is accurate."
(Goblinbee)
By George, you've got it! :-) EVERYTHING we do is the inevitable result of causal conditions that extend far, far beyond the culpable control of the conventional self.
I really don't like the term "determinism," because determinism implies that there are forces or conditions OUTSIDE us that force us to think, feel, and do what we do. But my perspective is, I think, subtler than that. It says that the demarcaction between outside and inside is conceptual rather than ontological, in your head rather than in the world. From my perspective, we really ARE the world, and the world is God, Tao, Brahman, or whatever you want to call the "which than which there is no whicher."
As for "knowing" whether this is an "accurate description" of reality, it seems to me that the more we think and study and learn about the interconnectedness of phenomena, the more reason we have to accept this perspective as true even if we can't "prove" it absolutely.
Does any of this make ANY sense to you? :-)
I also had the same thoughts, goblinbee. And have tried to always write out the entire nicks. I got lazy a few times. But I should have asked permission beforehand, the way you did.
"Unfortunately, I am of a skeptical temperament, and I doubt that I know much of anything with anything approaching certainty."
Me to a "T." But I live like I believe lots of things. I am so opinionated! But, if pinnd down, I admit to knowing nothing.
Or even if I'm pinned down, not just "pinnd."
So, Nagarjuna, every time someone does something criminal, they have an uncontrollable illness?
If I cussed you out right now, and spit in your face. I have a sickness?
And what of the kids in their early teens on a bus, that pick on other kids, and do mean things to them. And spit on them because they think it is funny. Or what about the girl that punches the boy because she has a crush on him.
I think strong emotions play a large role in the things we do, right or wrong. But to deem it as a legitimate illness. I cannot agree.
I am always so curious as to how Nagarjuna would deal with my kids if he had to be around them for 8 hours. Like when they fight. And when 2 or all 3 of them come running to tell him their side of the story of why they all 30 are bloody and maimed.
Oh, wait, I only have 3 boys. I wrote 30, because it is how many it really seems like I have. lol
I don't care if you call me Boogie. You can call me anything you want, just please do not call me late for dinner.
(You would never know by that comment that I only weigh 92 pounds right now)
Does any of this make ANY sense to you? :-)
I don't think it has never not made sense. That doesn't change that it is only one way to think. My argument has been much more that there is not a way to know if it is accurate, let alone that it's the "best" way to think. Who would determine "best?"
Hi goblinbee
You mentioned earlier about more info on Madeleine Mcann.
I’ll try to be brief but with 2+ years of research, news articles, translated Portuguese police files etc etc , it’s not easy.
However.
Madeleine, aged 3 “disappeared” from a holiday apartment in Portugal. Her parents had left her and her baby twin (18mths old) brother & sister alone, asleep in the apartment while they went to have dinner with friends (Neglect in itself, but they have never been charged)
The parents set up a fund which has received more than £ 2 million pounds from public donations.
They maintain that Madeleine is still alive and they will never give up looking for her.
However, the Portuguese police case was eventually shelved with the conclusion that Madeleine had quite probably died in the apartment (accident ?), and that her parents had concealed her body. The case files were released to the media and translations have subsequently appeared on the internet.
Evidence ? (not tested in court) was found on which the police conclusions were based.
Cadaver dogs alerting to a body also blood. Forensics could not rule out Madeleine’s DNA but were in-conclusive.
The statements of the parents and friends are so full of consistencies, but they have all refused to return to Portugal for a re-construction.
When all the details are read, there is every reason to suggest UK government involvement in some sort of cover-up. To protect the McCanns or others ? Numerous theories abound, some very sinister, as to exactly what has happened to Madeleine.
The parents have already sued several UK newspapers and settled out of court for hundreds of thousands of pounds.
They are now suing the Portuguese retired detective, Goncalo Amaral, who was initially involved in the case, over a book he has written based on the police files.
It has been available for the past year in 7 languages, but not English.
This is what they are trying to stop happening, an English version
What exactly are they so determined to hide ?
They have obtained a temporary injunction on the book and also for a documentary he made that has been shown in Portugal and to stop the rights to publish in English being sold.
Our media in the UK will not make any comment against the McCanns. They are effectively being gagged or manipulated
Their lawyers have now threatened another group, seeking justice for Madeleine, by demanding that their book is also withdrawn, destroyed and demanding that their web-site is removed. A couple of other website sites have “conveniently” disappeared over the past couple of years.
Where has our freedom of speech disappeared to ?
When Jaycee was found after 18 years, McCann have used this to try to re-enforce to the public that Madeleine is still alive, when there are many factors that indicate to the contrary.
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/
http://madeleinefoundation.org/main/
"Sometimes I get very down on the fact that "this is not heaven" and it can be so hard, especially accepting things that have happened like with Jaycee, but then I remember, I must earn my way through this mess, I need to prove my worthiness to him."
Forgive me for being so blunt with what I'm about to say, but what I hear you saying, Boogieman, is that God let Phillip Garrido do what he did in order to give us a chance to "prove ourselves." And if you ARE saying this, I just don't buy it.
I don't think that is what I said at all. I said plain and simple, we must put the pedophiles down.
denise said
"If you look at your own parents. And you turned your backs on them to live with a neighbor or a different family member, how sad is that? How wrong is it? And also, you will lose your inheritance if there is one, when you decide to turn your back on your folks"
What does your last sentance have to do with religion.
I find that sentance quite telling
Let me explain that to everyone else. As a Christian, why would I explain myself, my beliefs, and how I derived at them to someone who has denounced Jesus/God, and would refuse to believe he exists. How many times can a person bang their head against the wall and live.
"What a beautiful fairy tale to live in, as opposed to the horror movie others will find themselves in one day."
Denise, with all due respect, I don't find any fairy tale "beautiful" that contains the "horror movie" of hell and of anyone agonizing in it for any reason.
TheBoogieManHater,
and no no nooo, Thank you for taking an interest... :)
Im living the fairy tale of believing in YOUR proclaimed fairy tale of Gods Story.
Others, like perhaps you, will ultimately live in a horror movie. But then, I think God will take into consideration, that you have always tried to be a good person. And any wrongs that you may have committed, were with good intent.
"but guess what i'll let you slide.... ;) (wink)"
Brenda, my dear, if you've read most of what I've written here so far and keep reading what I write from here on, you'll probably know a lot more about my beliefs than you will about just about anyone else's. :-) And if you still want to know more, check out my blog, "Naked Reflections." :-)
Tara, my last sentence, And also, you will lose your inheritance if there is one, when you decide to turn your back on your folks"
says that we also have an inheritance with the Lord if we do not turn our backs on Him.
And if you come from parents that have enough to leave for you after their deaths, but you detach yourself from them and turn your backs on them. They will probably not leave you in the will.
:)
denise
I just wondered how the mention of inheritance (money) from your parents would appear to be a factor in your not deserting them.
Moral conscience or money. Which holds the greater value ?
"I do not understand why Jaycee, not being evil, would have to be the one to suffer this rampant evil, but then I think that there is so much hatred in the world, and controversy and greed, that the enemy IS winning, and we all have to suffer for it, be strong, and keep our faith. In the end, the meek shall inherit the Earth." (Denise)
And, once again, I do not understand why an all-powerful and perfectly good God would allow Satan to exist and corrupt us so much that he's "winning" a "battle" against the forces of good unless Satan is as powerful or more powerful than God. And if that's the case, it would seem that we have two Gods and not just one.
It is a parable. It really has nothing to do with money, except as we understand that as an earthly "thing".
What do people leave in their will ?
Money or possessions, yes earthly goods
"If any of you like (or don't mind) the nicknames Nag, Boogie, and Freak, I would want to use them from time to time."
Goblinbee, you're more than welcome to call me "Nag." After all, I'd be the first to admit that it characterizes my conduct here perfectly. :-)
Think of it this way Tara. God is to us, as our parents are to us on this earth.
If we stand besides our parents (or any other person) we may be left with what they had from this earth.
If we stand by god, after death, what is our inheritance. Heaven.
That is if we do not turn our backs on him.
"Well, I have always heard that what happened was this:"
That's what I've always heard too, Denise. And none of it makes a lick of adult sense to me. Not only that, but to tell kids about hell seems to me like child abuse. And I guess you would say that this is because I CHOOSE for it not to make sense and that I deserve to burn in screaming agony forever and ever for this. But you know what, Denise, I don't agree. :-) But if I'm wrong and you're right, you can sit up there in heaven playing your celestial harp and look down at me and laugh with glee over my receiving my just desserts. :-)
Nevermind then, Tara. I do not know how to explain the comparison. Actually, I think I am getting tired of explaining things today. I thought it was quite simple. I guess not.
I will say, God does not want us to wish evil on another, but some people make it extremely difficult! So Denise, I will pray for you and me to keep our mouths shut from spitting to cool the fire.
Thank you, Boogie.
lol Nagarjuna, I will play the harp and spit on you. Ok? That is if Boogie doesnt pray my mouth glued-tight. lol
The parable has nothing to do with our parents or money Tara. It is a message from God. Who sees things in a place from from our imagination. He uses to describe to us what we know.
We know wills, we know being left something in wills does not just come random. We know we have to have a relationship.
So he is saying, if you believe in me, and you stand by me, and walk with me, I will have a reward for you.
"far from our imagination"
boogie & denise
How would you act if you had a very compelling moral reason to reject/abandon your parents, but they would dis-inherit you if you did
1) They did not have any money so you wouldn't inherite anything anyway.
2) You stood to inherite millions.
"If you look at your own parents. And you turned your backs on them to live with a neighbor or a different family member, how sad is that?"
In my opinion, turning your back on your living, breathing, flesh and blood parents would be a lot sadder, unless there were really good reason for turning your back on them, than not believing in the modern day equivalent of Zeus.
"Is that sadistical of your parents? Evil of them? They created you. They gave you everything to survive, plus some. They could not always protect you either."
I think it's incredibly "sadistical" of a God to create beings he knows will suffer as much as humans and animals on this earth suffer and then force or allow the souls of some of them to be tortured forever and ever in hell. I canb't conceive of ANYTHING more sadistic and monstrous than that. Like I said, Garrido is an angelic choirboy next to a monstrous being like what God is described to be.
"I don't think that is what I said at all. I said plain and simple, we must put the pedophiles down."
We must "put the pedophiles down" because God allows them to do their dastardly deeds to test our faith and make us "prove" our worthiness to eat the pie in the sky when we die?
"There are blessings that people receive every day, that they will never even realize they have received."
Do you ever ask yourself WHY they don't realize them?
Oh, Tara, You have hit upon a fasscinating topic for me. I will probably be chiming in as well.
Also, thanks for all the info on the McCanns. Have not looked at the links yet. As some here know from posts of mine before you joined us (was that 1600 or 1700 posts ago?), I have a case I have been watching for the last year, a case of severe child abuse. I knew the parents involved, although not well.
I have had a compelling reason to walk away from my parents. I still stretched out my hand to them. Many times. Get burned as many times as you like. God only asks us to do this twice. I have gone overboard going back. They are human, if they chose to turn their back on what is commanded of us, we still have our father in heaven. He is all the father I need. What my parents have to leave me, large or small means nothing to me. It is my relationship I would have rather had with them.
So as far as your question really goes, towards Christianity, and my belief in God, and what he may or may not leave me is not important either. I have FAITH in him being there, and my relationship with him is reward enough. When you have faith and follow it, you can feel him there! Knowing this just allows me to know that there is truth in his word to us. There is a Heaven. And if I feel 1/100th of what I feel with him while I walk with him here, when I am with him. I would be in Heaven.
goblinbee
Yes it is a case I feel quite strongly about. Hopefully one day, someday we will find out what has happened to poor little Madeleine.
The main forum that I had been on was 3A's which closed down recently, supposed admin/moderator disagreements but yhey may well have been threatened too.
Research as much as you can and have a read on
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/
You can also join if you decide that you want to post on there.
Easy to do, I've known (only on the forum) many of the posters for the past couple of years.
goblinbee
"I have a case I have been watching for the last year, a case of severe child abuse. I knew the parents involved, although not well"
Was that a case in Washington ? Was it you that mentioned it way back ? I do remember, but I was only reading the blog for some time before I actually started posting.
Well, one thing I know for certain is that we are all, one day going to find out exactly what happens when we die.
"Was that a case in Washington ?"
Yes. The young daughter was starved for five years (from age 9 to 14), locked in her room, not let out for school, given very little water (one small dixie cup a day), while the even younger brother and two dogs were well-fed and cared for. Also, the stepmother has a grown son (in his mid to late 20s now) who had also always been cared for. The father pled guilty and was recently sentenced to 41 months in prison (the maximum for criminal mistreatment), the stepmother entered a modified guilty plea and will be sentenced in November. I think they should have been able to be charged with something more serious than criminal mistreatment.
goblinbee
It is a very sad fact that most of the child abuse that occurs happens in their own home.
Often not known about for years.
What seems even worse, if that is possible, is that just one child and not the others is "selected" to be so abused. This I just cannot fathom out.
"So, Nagarjuna, every time someone does something criminal, they have an uncontrollable illness?
Good question, Denise. Let me put it this way. I arbitrarily use "illness" or "sickness" loosely to indicate just about any psychological phenomena or behavior that cause significant distress or harm.
But the fact is, I believe that everything we feel, think, or do is something we HAD to feel, think, or do at the time we did it. This is because every effect has a cause, and every thought, feeling, and behavior is an effect of some cause.
But particularly aberrent and harmful effects, like Phillip Garrido's behavior, can be characterized as sick, in much the same way that body temperature falling within its normal range is not sick, but body temperature falling outside that range is, and the more it falls outside that range, the sicker it is. Or more accurately, the more serious is likely to be the sickness of which the extreme temperature is symptomatic.
"If I cussed you out right now, and spit in your face. I have a sickness?"
You are doing what something caused you to do. Whether it merits the label of "sickness" is open to question.
"And what of the kids in their early teens on a bus... "
Please see above.
I think strong emotions play a large role in the things we do, right or wrong. But to deem it as a legitimate illness. I cannot agree.
Then call it something else, so long as you realize that the "things we do" are inevitable at the time we do them. :-)
goblinbee
This recent case in the UK is just so horrific
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article5140511.ece
Tara, I hope you are asking us to answer on our realities, and not a "just suppose" point of view. Mine and Boogie's answers should be different than even your own, depending on our histories with our parents, and other factors in our lives, morals and minds.
I can say that I feel I do have many moral reasons to leave my mother alone forever. And she has nothing. She actually is staying in the homeless shelter right now, as she lost her home when my baby brother died not too long ago. (She sat near his bed at the hospital hours from here, for 5 months, until he passed)
My mother and I fight so much, but we are always right there for each other.(kind of like me and nag lol) There have actually been times that I have refused to speak to her for year long periods. My father is actually in a Convalescent hospital in Sacramento, (i live in Missouri, 2200 miles away, bout 2 days drive) and I never see him. I would like to see him, and I do, every so often go to California to visit him. It is so difficult to see him the way he is. But I love the time I get to spend near him. But I have learned to block out losses in my mind. I have hardened my feelings so much, on certain things that I care so much about. Yet, I am so sensitive also.
I feel that I have reasons to reject my parents. But I never will. I love them both dearly.
"That doesn't change that it is only one way to think. My argument has been much more that there is not a way to know if it is accurate, let alone that it's the "best" way to think. Who would determine "best?""
So, Goblinbee, some ways of thinking aren't better than others because you can't absolutely prove that they're "accurate"?
"I am always so curious as to how Nagarjuna would deal with my kids"
I'd turn them all over my knee when they misbehaved and give them a physical spanking equivalent to the verbal spanking I gave Freak the other night. :-)
But, in a more serious vein, although I'm not sure what any of this has to do with anything else we're discussing here, :-) "when I was younger, so much younger than today," I did a lot of babysitting. I regularly babysat three raucous boys for longer than eight hours at a stretch, and I hang in there pretty well, if I say so myself. :-)
denise
My question was intended to be hypothical, not based on either your or boogies personal experiences.
Just trying to compare morals value to money ?
Most of the people on here who are strongly in favour of capital punishment, their main reason for their view seems to be based on money, not any moral values.
More concern about what it would cost them personally to keep that criminal in prison as the alternative.
Tara, I guess if the Mccanns are getting everyones blogs and websites shut down. In the future if you need to find a new home for a blog, I think one of us Americans can start a blog for you and your friends. I do not think they could shut us down. I am sure any one of us would be more than happy to do it for you.
"As a Christian, why would I explain myself, my beliefs, and how I derived at them to someone who has denounced Jesus/God, and would refuse to believe he exists. How many times can a person bang their head against the wall and live."
As a Christian, Boogieman, what do you think qualifies YOU to conclude that someone who doesn't currently believe in God has irrevocably denounced Him and couldn't possibly benefit from your explanation? That sounds more like God's decision to make and not yours.
Tara: What seems even worse, if that is possible, is that just one child and not the others is "selected" to be so abused.
Nope, in my family, we all got the beat down. lol
Thanks Denise
3A's was based in Canada in the end, just for that reason. The person who originally started the forum does however live the UK.
It possibly was shut down due to admin/moderator disputes as I know this had happened in the past, but who knows, they may have been threated by legal action.
Seems odd that it did shut-down when it did.
Some of the other sites are based in Portugal so may not be a problem. I hope not.
"How would you act if you had a very compelling moral reason to reject/abandon your parents, but they would dis-inherit you if you did
1) They did not have any money so you wouldn't inherite anything anyway.
2) You stood to inherite millions."
(Tara)
I have often wondered if I have a compelling moral reason to reject my father for being the abusive, belittling, caustic person that he is. And, if I decided I should, what would that look like? Would I not go to family functions? Would I go and try to defend myself and others against his attacks? Would I tell him to shut the fuck up, upsetting my older sisters (in their homes, where almost all family gatherings take place)? We have confronted him very little in our lives, my siblings and I, and I feel that we have failed in not confronting him. No one stands up to him. When we were younger, we would have been sent flying across the room if we had tried (I was sent flying even when I knew not what sin I had committed); now that we're older, we are entrenched in a pattern of placating him. It is pathetic.
My father is well-off. I have no idea if he has a will, or if I am in that will. But maybe I am.
A few years ago I asked my brother, who also placates our father (we all do!) if it bothered him to live this lie. I wondered if we shouldn't tell our father the truth (which for me would have meant telling him I had never liked him; my brother said he would want to tell him he was an asshole). For the first time, we talked about a possible inheritance. He said the inheritance was the least my father could do for fucking up all of our lives. I let this thought and other thoughts dissuade me (I have doubts that confronting him is even the right thing to do).
Anyway, I still haven't acted. I still feel frozen by doubt. I still wonder if an inheritance would be my just desserts (plus, I just like money). And I still think the whole situation is pathetic.
We need to return to learning respect and value from our elders. Not to say that all Americans fracture off from their families. The Americans that are affluent tend to move to other cities away from their families and I feel the children suffer from not having their grandparents to teach them.The roads of America are not paved with gold, many still believe this old saying. We have poverty, it's shameful, but we do
I'm not a religious person, but I do believe our souls are met by those we loved and are reborn to this earth. I believe in Karma.
Peace and Love to us all in this world
"Moral conscience or money. Which holds the greater value ?"
Great question, Tara! Should we obey God because it's the right thing to do, or because we want to go to heaven and not to hell?
I'd think the former, because when we do something just because we want to be rewarded rather than punished, that doesn't seem very moral, just self-centered.
But if we obey God because it's the right thing to do, why do we need the carrot of heaven to entice us and the stick of hell to frighten us?
"So, Goblinbee, some ways of thinking aren't better than others because you can't absolutely prove that they're "accurate"?"
(Nagarjuna)
I have ways that I think are better for ME. I have no way of knowing what is better for someone else. And no wish to proselytize.
Tara. It is not so much that it would cost me. It is that there is not enough of it to care for those deserving of what that money can do for them. That is part of being a Christian. Making decisions. Moral Decisions. So while we have actual numbers in the 100,000's of homeless hungry people in the US, Yes, I am morally justified to say, I want to take care of them with my taxes, and screw those selfish satanic bastards that keep hurting and killing and costing us the funds to take care of those deserving our help.
"We know we have to have a relationship."
But what KIND of "relationship," Boogieman? It's always seemed to me that the kind of "relationship" the Christian God is alleged to have with us is analogous to a human parent who says to his kids, "Love and obey me, and I'll reward you with riches beyond your wildest dreams, but if you dare not love and obey me, I will feed you slowly and feet first into the incinerator.
Now what the hell (pardon the pun) kind of "relationship" is THAT? :-)
"What seems even worse, if that is possible, is that just one child and not the others is "selected" to be so abused. This I just cannot fathom out."
Tara, this WA case is the first time where I realized this happens. As I said a million posts ago, what a mind fuck. At least if you're a prisoner of war, you're all in it together. My god, what that must do to a child psychologically.
Nagarjuna, are you saying that we have no CHOICE to do right from wrong then? And if we choose wrong, we are sick? Because I choose wrong many times. I admit it. Not every day, but sometimes.
Also, I wanted to clear something up about myself. I love God. This is truth. When I die, I am going to have alot to answer for. And it is so possible that Nagarjuna will be the one spitting relief down on me. I am not so the Christian that I walk and talk like a Nun. Each day, I speak about the Lord with someone. I do not do it intentionally. It just comes up, and I get into an all excited conversation. But, each day, I also scream and cuss at my kids. :O . I also, will not turn the other cheek when attacked. I am very hardcore in my neighborhood when needed. If I have altercations with my neighbors, I do try to keep control of myself, because I feel that is the better way to win on the streets. Ranting and raving loses. I do however, very calmly "talk shit" straight back at whoever is in my face. And I smile alot and laugh alot at what they say, as if to dismiss everything they say, and to let them know that they are too silly for me to take them serious. If they strike at me, which has happened before, because people in heated arguments hate to be laughed at, lol. I fight with a surprising fierceness.
I say surprising fierceness, because the people in my neighborhood see me as a very responsible and quiet family woman that has her stuff together. I do not do drugs, drink, and I do not have company come to my house. I have 2 very nice cars, and they know I own 2 homes. I go to work every day, and I keep to myself and am quiet over here. My kids have many things that the other kids here do not have. So, basically, I get underestimated alot. There is a guy that I know that tells me that I do not know the streets. And I let him believe it. It compares to not letting some of the Mexicans know that I understand what they are saying about everyone around them. The man knows the streets, but I do not. I say Ok. He could never imagine my life as it really was. He sees me so differently.
I do not feel like a hypocrite either. I love God, and I never try to hurt anyone or do them wrong.
"and screw those selfish satanic bastards that keep hurting and killing and costing us"
If that is Christianity, I certainly don't want to become a member of your club
"Nope, in my family, we all got the beat down. lol"
Denise, sooo funny. Us too!
Nagarjuna: I did a lot of babysitting. I regularly babysat three raucous boys for longer than eight hours at a stretch, and I hang in there pretty well, if I say so myself.
Im going to FedEx them to you right away.
I'm not Buddhist's or Christian, though I was raised Christian. I can't label myself as religious, in the sense of man's writing.
I do believe we have a soul and that we go on being reinvented. I believe in Mother Nature and respect of her gifts to humans. I'm not afraid of death, nor do I believe a hell exists.
"Most of the people on here who are strongly in favour of capital punishment, their main reason for their view seems to be based on money, not any moral values."
YES! YES! YES! Tara.
You know Denise, cussing and screaming and making mistakes does not make you any less a Christian than an honest to goodness REAL priest (not one of those hiding for pedophilia). Each and every one of those traits you have are human traits. Which are especially hard to keep angelically when you have never been an angel, yet Satan is so close to you. It is your heart that brings you closer to that day in heaven, and that takes time while you walk with him.... (talking about him as you do is one way you clearly show you do this).
Well Tara, tell me how to start a blog, and I will gladly do it for you. Surely if Nilax can do what he wants on the internet, so can we, without reprecussions. Where is Nilax by the way. And please do not say someone got him shut down if it is really not factual. Teresa already tried that once, 30 minutes before Nilax's next comment.
LOL Denise
What, Tara, do you think even God would have us hug Satan. Please, He had wars against him and his demons himself.
heather siad
"I'm not Buddhist's or Christian, though I was raised Christian. I can't label myself as religious, in the sense of man's writing.
I do believe we have a soul and that we go on being reinvented. I believe in Mother Nature and respect of her gifts to humans. I'm not afraid of death, nor do I believe a hell exists.
Very much my thoughts too.
Not quite sure yet about the re-invented, but I do give it a lot of thought.
Heather, what do you think wicked evil pedophiles, rapists and murders come back as? The same, different, ?
Goblinbee, We have confronted him very little in our lives, my siblings and I, and I feel that we have failed in not confronting him
I had the same type of father. Bashed in the face, for mixing your corn in your mashed potatoes. But one day, my father told me to get him a belt. Normally, we all ran to get him one. But this day, I thought about him telling us all to never be followers, and always stand up for yourselves. Im sure he didnt mean against him. But it backfired on him that day. I was so scared and nervous. But I told him "No, Dad, you get it. Then you have to chase me to hit me with it" My dad freaked out. "Im not playing with you" Shaking like crazy inside, I repeated "No. You have always taught us to stand up for ourselves and do not ever let anyone push us around." In the end, something hit my father, (not literally) and he told me that of all his sons, I was the only one to ever stand up to him like that. And he was proud of me.
I am not advising you to do this. But it is something to think about.
"I have ways that I think are better for ME. I have no way of knowing what is better for someone else. And no wish to proselytize."
Or to discuss the merits of your respective views?
this is a horrifying case :
http://deniseamberlee.org/
she was a mother of two abducted from her home while her two young buys were there she was raped and thrown in a ditch. She called 9/11 while she was abducted in the car and tried to get help as well as another caller followed the car when they were at a stop sign and called 9/11 and gave play by play movement of this vehicle... Guess what the dispatcher NEVER sent in the dispatch..... and Denise was murdered about 5 min after the caller was told to stop following the car by dispatch.. it was a mistake but obviously a very bad mistake that resulted n someones life being taken.... he has started a good cause to help our 9/11 system because it has obvious faults in it.
"...but if you dare not love and obey me, I will feed you slowly and feet first into the incinerator." (Nag)
I laugh so hard reading some of these comments. You guys are hilarious.
Here are a few others that have slayed me:
"...why they all 30 are bloody and maimed. Oh, wait, I only have 3 boys. I wrote 30..." (Denise)
"Im going to FedEx them to you right away." (Denise)
And this to Nag from Boogie yesterday:
"You have said your opinion time and time again. (...) If you truly want to get your point across, there are places all over the internet who have not heard it yet."
It is much worse to actually murder a person than it is to simply hate a person,There are degrees to sin. Some sins are worse than others
"Or to discuss the merits of your respective views?"
I feel that I'm discussing things all the time.
Did the American ideal come out of Christianity?
Hello Heather.
Wow, I am so far behind in todays conversations. And there are so many different topics today.
I want to check into Tara and Goblinbees sites about Madeleine and the Washington case.
Remember the good old days that a comment sat for hours before anyone returned to comment on it? lol
at lease it is not deceitful "heather"
"Bashed in the face, for mixing your corn in your mashed potatoes."
Ohmygod, Denise, exactly. We were terrified to even move our forks around on our plates. If there was no bit of syrup on that bit of French Toast, too bad. Just the sound of the fork would set him off. I was afraid to move my head to the right or the left, had to keep looking straight ahead. Not sure why I thought this would save me.
Nagarjuna:"Love and obey me, and I'll reward you with riches beyond your wildest dreams, but if you dare not love and obey me, I will feed you slowly and feet first into the incinerator.
Isnt that we do right now to our kids? Love, obey and respect me, or I will put you over my knee and spank you. I will take your privileges away from you. And do not DARE ask me for anything when we get to the store.
"Nagarjuna, are you saying that we have no CHOICE to do right from wrong then? And if we choose wrong, we are sick? Because I choose wrong many times. I admit it. Not every day, but sometimes."
I tried to answer that already. I guess I didn't do a good job of it. Let me try again. If you do something "wrong" like say an angry cussword to your son after he's lost his expensive glasses, I would not consider that "sick." If you were to grab a machete from the garage and hack him to death with it, well, I think THAT just might qualify as a "sick" or "disordered" behavior. Something really got out of whack in you, and the symptom of this was horribly destructive behavior.
Yes, Denise, we can choose right from wrong, but our choice is caused by things that we DON'T cause. For instance, if you choose right, WHY did you choose right and not wrong? Whatever answer you come up with, you can ask what caused IT, and what caused IT, and so on and so on until you're looking at causes that lie far outside your conscious control.
Denise, do not forget, he did not promise us "riches" as Nag. attempts to slander God.
If it makes you happy to devote your life to stardom at the expense of friends and family members, you should follow your dream. If you are a man but you think being a woman will make you happy, have a sex change. Play video games 10 hours a day? Drink yourself to death? Get married to your dog? Sure, if it makes you happy! The original intent of the framers of the Constitution was to affirm the right to pursue happiness not that every man has the right to be happy and that he should have the right to pursue happiness but not at the cost of someone else’s freedom to pursue happiness.
The American Ideal says to pursue at all cost happiness in our lives here in this world
Goblinbee, I read a book that the same thing had happened to the Author. I forgot the name of the book, if you are interested, I can ask the librarian the name and let you know. But the guy writing the book was the same boy in the story. And he grew up to be some kind of counsellor for abused children. It was a great book.
My son just told me the name of the book is "A Child Called It"
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