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I just got done watching on TIVO.
Disgusting!
Nagarjuna, you are an intelligent person. Surely you, yourself, know there is a difference in criminally sick and mentally sick.
Also, I have already given my own explanations of what I believe Criminally sick and Mentally sick are.
"No. There is no possible way that he can suffer as much as the girl did."
If there were a way to make him suffer that much, would you want him to do it? If not, how much suffering is acceptable such that it's not laughingly "pathetic" for his lawyer not to complain about it, and why is THAT acceptable for a sick man?
"But it will benefit those that are alive, to never have to be one of his future victims."
Can't lifetime quarantine of a sick person prevent him from victimizing society further? And if he must be executed, is it laughingly "pathetic" to try to make it painless and to protest when it isn't?
And, again, is it "Christian" to wish for the state to execute sick people?
denise
"We cannot stop people from being criminals. That will never happen"
Try googling "crime reduced" for a few proven solutions to certain crimes
Goodness...
A predator does not constitute a mentally insane person who just didn't have the means to be able to do any diiferent.
Some people here are drunk on their philospohy!
Oh, and that person should open "his" dictionary and look up the word REFUTE.
:)
Tara, I will never understand the persons that worry how humanely some criminals are put to death.
Do these same persons ever consider how humane the criminal was with their victim? Do they really try to picture in their mind, the look on the 14 yr old girls face, the fear she must have had, along with the pain?
And what of the victims that were tortured. There are persons that will rape children with large objects. Not just their own body parts. Stab them in their eyes, even. For no sexual reason at all. Just as a punishment to the child. Think of the things you have seen in horror movies such as Friday the 13th, Saw, etc. Those things happen in real life also, you know. And we need to be careful to make sure the perpetrator doesnt cry?
Coonhound, that is a huge thing in Thailand and Vietnam as well.
but those governments are working with us :)
denise
I just think that capital punishment in itself is inhumane, not any particular method, but any method.
"That is never going to happen, Nagarjuna."
So you are saying, "Let's not strive to understand sick criminals better and feel more compassion toward them because enough people won't try to do this and succeed in doing it to make a difference anyway. So, let's just go on thoughtlesly vilifying, hating, and wishing torment on them instead?
"We cannot stop drugs from existing, We cannot stop people from being criminals. That will never happen."
What causes people to use drugs that, consequently cause or partly cause them to commit criminal acts. Do you REALLY mean to sugges that if more and more kids grew up in loving and nurturing homes and in a more compassionate, fair, and just society, there wouldn't be fewer and fewer of them growing up to abuse drugs on the way to criminality?
"I do not pity him for being sick, Nagarjuna, because I have had the same criminal ways. Not to the disgusting extreme as he has it, but I had it. And I deserved any punishment I received, and I deserved no pity."
You did NOT have the same criminal ways and degree of sickness that he did unless you desired to do what he did and carried out that desire. It really amazes me that anyone can say, "I don't pity someone whose sickness caused him to destroy his life and the lives of others." What could be more pitiful or deserving of sympathy than that?
Tara,,,Reduced, not stopped. Many of our police force are criminals themselves. And in my own neighborhood, the people here throw bricks and rocks at our officers, and the police never do anything about it. What kind of sense does that make? They have a camera on one problem corner. There were approx 300 persons throwing things at the police vehicles. They had them all on camera. They apprehended about 8 people the next day.
Freak, I've heard that on the news in the past. Also, that many sex offenders here in the US purpose themselves to "visit" those places after they do their time.
Oh! Just horrible, isn't it!?
It sickens me to think about it.
"No. There is no possible way that he can suffer as much as the girl did."
If there were a way to make him suffer that much, would you want him to do it? If not, how much suffering is acceptable such that it's not laughingly "pathetic" for his lawyer not to complain about it, and why is THAT acceptable for a sick man?"
I already answered the first question. It was the first word that I had written. NO. And I also have already explained that you misunderstood that particular passage about what is pathetically laughable, and why.
"Are you serious??? lol
Yes, although "sincere" is a better word for it. I ask the question with utmost sincerity. And in my humble opinion, the fact that you laughingly question me on this indicates that you need to THINK more about it. I hope I can help you to do that.
"I now believe that persons with the flu, and cerebral palsy, and blind people too, should all be executed. And not humanely either. I think they should suffer immensely. What the....????"
You mindlessly laugh about this, but what is the ULTIMATE difference between executing these victims of sickness and the victims of criminal sickness. Just mocking my question doesn't ANSWER it.
Freak, did you see that movie that LMN ran about human sex trafficking? I don't remember the name of it. Awesome movie, very informative in gaining an understanding of how the trade is ran and tactics.
Horrifying as well!
So, let's just go on thoughtlesly vilifying, hating, and wishing torment on them instead?
No, we can execute them humanely. Causing less risks of having more Jaycee Dugards and others.
Nagarjuna said:""I don't pity someone whose sickness caused him to destroy his life and the lives of others." What could be more pitiful or deserving of sympathy than that?"
Um...the victims?
"Well of course you read that Nag. I truly do not expect for you to say anything at all otherwise."
Are you disputing the truth of it? I'm glad you don't "expect" me not to seek out the truth of the matter rather than reflexively saying, "It is nothing less than being put to sleep and then another drug to stop the heart."
As it turns out, it may well be a lot more like being slowly and consciously suffocated to death while your veins feel like they're on fire.
"I don't pity someone whose sickness caused him to destroy his life and the lives of others." What could be more pitiful or deserving of sympathy than that?
So Nagarjuna, are you saying that Phillip and Nancy Garrido are more deverving of sympathy than Jaycee and her family?
"No, we can execute them humanely. Causing less risks of having more Jaycee Dugards and others."
And, once again, why do they need to be executed to achieve this end instead of being quarantined in a maximum security prison for the rest of their lives? And, if we do execute them, why should we laugh at protests made on their behalf concerning the suffering they endure during their execution?
I just don't get the difference. If Jaycee or any other victim killed P or N Garrido during an act, it would be justified. But if anyone killed them after the act, it is not acceptable to some people. Not only did Garrido admit to his crimes against Jaycee, but he claimed it was a wonderful thing that resulted from what he did to her. It is absolutely absurd to defend this.
It is no better than what Casey did to her own daughter Caylee. These kids are defenseless. Caylee is no longer here. Jaycee is no longer the Jaycee that was and never will be able to be again.
To ask those of us to get over it and now just simply support these people emotionally and physically is absolutely insane to me.
I can't quite imagine how you would think keeping them in prison would be more preferable to them anyway. You don't want him to feel the pain of a needle injection. That is inflicting to much pain. What in the world do you think they will suffer just letting them sit in prison. I can guarantee you, what you are asking for is a hell of a lot more suffering than the death penalty.
It is neither here nor there however, There is no way another convict will let either of these people live long, it will not matter what the law finally decides to do with them.
denise
Yes, I would agree that crime can never completely be eliminated, but if we don’t believe that things can be improved, we might as well give up now and let anarchy rule.
I have never yet found any argument that convinces me that capital punishment is a deterrent, that society benefits in any way or it makes the world a safer place to live in.
For every murderer or pedophile you execute there will always be another waiting to take their place. So how far would you consider extending capital punishment. For what other crimes ?
How do you think the obviously mindless vandalism in your neighbourhood should be dealt with, to make you feel safer on your home patch.
What we should be asking is why do this criminals do what they do? Society must take some responsibility for creating the environment that makes people commit such crimes. We are all individual members of that society.
We have got to look at the root causes.
"Nagarjuna, you are an intelligent person. Surely you, yourself, know there is a difference in criminally sick and mentally sick."
What is it?
"Also, I have already given my own explanations of what I believe Criminally sick and Mentally sick are."
Where? When? Could you point me to it or restate it so that we can give it the thorough and public consideration it deserves?
Thanks, in advance.
"Um...the victims?"
Aren't they ALL victims? The sick perpetrator and those they harm?
No Coonhound, I haven't watched the Lamb, or at least the entire movie. I used to watch those type of pedophile tracker shows on the Discovery Channel and CNN weekends.
My favorite is Nightline. It doesn't show the act, it shows them getting busted and hauled away.
"A predator does not constitute a mentally insane person who just didn't have the means to be able to do any diiferent."
If a predator could have "done any different," why didn't he? And if he couldn't have, isn't he sick?
Kudos Freak. Another point...why the heck should our tax dollars support these beasts?
"So Nagarjuna, are you saying that Phillip and Nancy Garrido are more deverving of sympathy than Jaycee and her family?"
No, I am saying that if sickness made them do what they did, they are AS MUCH victims of their sickness as are the Dugards; and, therefore, they deserve AS MUCH sympathy as the Dugards do.
"You mindlessly laugh about this, but what is the ULTIMATE difference between executing these victims of sickness and the victims of criminal sickness. Just mocking my question doesn't ANSWER it."
I put much thought into what you write here, and how I feel about it, before I comment. The ULTIMATE difference would be THE VIOLENT SUFFERING AND DEATHS CAUSED BY THE CRIMINALLY SICK PERSONS.
I am so sorry, Nagarjuna. I have thought about your ideas. I even understand them wholeheartedly. I do not agree with what you are trying to make me dissect over and over again, each and every statement I make, as if perhaps there is a flaw in my own beliefs. You will never make me feel any different than the way I feel now.
Violent criminals should be humanely executed. That eliminates the risk of them ever escaping to cause more harm to innocent persons. And hard working families will not have to spend their incomes to pay for food and clothing and electricity for criminals, when some cannot even provide these necessities for their own family. It also may be a deterrent and a "crime reducer". We do not know, because we have never actually tried it before.
But I believe that in the countries that do use cruel and unusual punishment, there may be less crime. I have not researched this, so I am not positive. But I think it is true.
Coonhound, did you see the watermain break news from Baltimore county? Looks like a hurricane flooded the area. massive damage.
"Oh, and that person should open "his" dictionary and look up the word REFUTE."
I know what it means. Do YOU? If so, and for the second or third time, can you point to any instances of where you've "refuted" ANY of my arguments? :-)
Freak, I'll eventually remember the name of the movie, but it is a Lifetime Movie. Its been ran on other stations too.
"No, I am saying that if sickness made them do what they did, they are AS MUCH victims of their sickness as are the Dugards; and, therefore, they deserve AS MUCH sympathy as the Dugards do."
So Oprah should send them flowers and possibly a million dollars to help to recover from their past? Maybe the million dollars could be put to use for some good psychological help, and they can be released after they are cured, Nagarjuna.
I didn't see any arguments, did you Coonhound.
No, absolutely no reason I should have to pay to keep a criminal. The chain gang should go back into effect and force them to support themselves. I would much rather use my money to support, nurture and keep my kids insured.
Freak, I'm watching CNN. Actually, its on for background noise. We have had a lot of flooding in the SE, too.
I used to watch Lifetime also. True to life movies. I don't watch television anymore... just the news online and occasionally a Netflix movie. Someday I will have time again.
"To ask those of us to get over it and now just simply support these people emotionally and physically is absolutely insane to me."
I'm not suggesting that you feel no disgust and anger toward what the Garridos did and no empathy and compassion toward the Dugards. I am suggsting that you try to feel and act appropriately toward people whose sickness, deficiency, or disorder caused them to act as they did. And if you don't believe that sickness caused them to do it, I'm inviting you to substantively discuss with me why you think this so that we can see whether it stands up to scrutiny.
YouAreSuchAFreak said...
I didn't see any arguments, did you Coonhound.
No, absolutely no reason I should have to pay to keep a criminal. The chain gang should go back into effect and force them to support themselves. I would much rather use my money to support, nurture and keep my kids insured.
Do you agree with all the ways that your Government uses the taxes you pay them, other than keeping criminals in prison ?
Screw you Nag. You cannot cram it down my throat. You are ridiculous. I hope they get the death penalty. I hope every piece of dirt on them is found and used to get them the death penalty. GOT THAT. I don't even get quezie in the least bit thinking that the convicts give them the same business they gave to every woman or girl who had the displeasure of meeting them.
Nagarjuna, do you agree that while I was abusing drugs, I had a sickness? I was sick. And there were some times that I was so "sick" and out of my mind, from being up for several days, that I did some awful things and I JUST DIDNT CARE. But during those times, I did not have the mental capacity to "cover my tracks to hide what I did"
I think that there is something severely wrong with Garridos brain. But, he knew what he was doing was wrong. He is a rabid dog, and he needs to be humanely "put down".
Let me just say, I do not detest the other ways they spend my hard earned money near as much as I detest this. What about your country Tara. How do you feel about them spending your money there?
We should have an update in a few minutes Coonhound.
"The ULTIMATE difference would be THE VIOLENT SUFFERING AND DEATHS CAUSED BY THE CRIMINALLY SICK PERSONS."
Let me see if I've got this straight, Denise. It's okay to laugh at and call "pathetic" protests over the suffering that sick people go through when they're executed for crimes their sickness caused them to commit because, even though their sickness caused these crimes, the fact that those crimes hurt others means that it's okay to hurt those whose sickness made them commit these crimes, even though they couldn't help but do what we're hurting them for.
That sounds a lot to me like saying that if someone blamelessly contracts a physical sickness that can harm or kill others, we should quarantine and treat him humanely and compassionately, but if he blamelessly infects and seriously harms someone else with this sickness, it's not only okay to execute him for his blameless condition and harm to others, but to laugh and pronounce "pathetic" any protests regarding the suffering the chosen form of execution for this person inflicts.
freak
I do not object to some of my taxes being spent on those less fortunate than me or for reasons that make the UK a safer place to live in.
I think that criminal sentancing in the UK is not always appropriate to the crime and in many cases a life sentance should mean just that, natural life. If that costs me more in taxes, to feel that I was living in a safer society, so be it.
Update is on CNN right now
Tara, I do not agree with all of the ways that our govt uses our tax dollars. But I know that if they eliminated the upkeep of prisoners, they would have more to spend elsewhere. It would give them more dollars to spend on education, and parks, etc. They can also use that extra money to do as Nagarjuna suggests. In trying to find ways to avoid the things that contribute to these illnesses.
And I agree with YouAreSuchAFreak about the chain gangs. I think the criminals that will be released after serving time for non violent crimes should have to grow their own gardens, and sit in the dark. Let them live like the Amish. It cant be that bad.
U on the east coast freak?
Sorry, meant to type west coast.
"What we should be asking is why do this criminals do what they do?"
Yes, Tara, WHY do they? Some here seem to think we already understand well enough. I don't agree. I think we can not only learn a lot more about it but apply what we learn to produce fewer criminals. But we're much more likely to make that effort if we begin with the understanding that people don't freely choose to commit these crimes. When we believe otherwise, we can conveniently refuse to look at causes, since we don't believe in them. And as long as we keep doing this, we keep seeing the crime we do now and suffering accordingly.
Nagarjuna, FOR THE LAST TIME, PLEASE RE-READ MY 4 POSTS EXPLAINING TO YOU REPEATEDLY THAT I WAS NOT LAUGHING AT PATHETIC PROTESTS OF A PERSONS EXECUTION.
THINK, NAGARJUNA, THINK!!
Go back and reread my posts, until you clearly understand what I was laughing at and calling pathetic. Please. You are debating on BoogieManHater's level. And if you are going to misunderstand my comments and twist them differently than my meaning, then I will no longer discuss anything further with you.
"So Oprah should send them flowers and possibly a million dollars to help to recover from their past? Maybe the million dollars could be put to use for some good psychological help, and they can be released after they are cured, Nagarjuna."
Why not?
"I didn't see any arguments, did you Coonhound."
Coonhound must disagree, because she said she's "refuted" some of them. :-)
denise
"But I know that if they eliminated the upkeep of prisoners, they would have more to spend elsewhere. It would give them more dollars to spend on education, and parks, etc."
Maybe not quite such a saving if all these people were paid properly deserved compensation for the years of their lives that were taken from them, not to forget the mental torment of being on death row, after being wrongfully convicted.
I think you (or maybe someone else)mentioned quite some while ago about speeding up the appeals process so that the length of time on death row was shortened considerable.
What if these people had been wrongly executed ? Would you want that on your conscience ?
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row
Why not? Ok this has become just utterly ridiculous now. I have things to take care of.
Figure out why criminals do the things they do, forgive them, set them free and give them more and more chances. That only makes sense, I suppose. Because the poor babies have an illness. I have things to take care of.
Tara, I have one question for you. Please do not say that it cant compare to humans. Just answer. What do you do when there is a mosquito in your home biting you?
Nagarjuna, I have one question for you. Why is the color purple, purple? Is it because red and blue make purple? And if so, then why do red and blue make purple? And why is blue, blue? And red, red?
Why do I think green is a good color for me? Because of my skin tone? And ask myself, what makes my skin the tone it is? Was it from my mothers or fathers genetic makeup? Or a combination of both? Why do I think my fathers skin is the tone it is. And more importantly, why is my mothers skin the tone it is? And if it is caused by a combination of both, why do I have more tone of my father than my mother? Hmm. THINK DENISE THINK!! Before you buy that cute green blouse you are considering buying.
denise
"What do you do when there is a mosquito in your home biting you?"
They often do and I always get bad reactions
Open the window and hope it goes away
Buenas noches a todos. Tengo muchas cosas para hacer!! Paz. And God bless you all :)
denise
"Figure out why criminals do the things they do, forgive them, set them free and give them more and more chances. That only makes sense, I suppose. Because the poor babies have an illness. I have things to take care of."
Who on here has actually said that. Certainly not me
lol, Does opening the window work? I would think more mosquitos would enter. Anyhow, have a good night.
Most of the time on am on the West coast, today, I am in the midwest. Next week, I too hope to be in the Philippines, but not looking to promising.
Coonhound, 60 people and it doesn't sound like they got much done.
Really? Guess it will be a slow process. Pitiful.
Denise--
"FOR THE LAST TIME, PLEASE RE-READ MY 4 POSTS EXPLAINING TO YOU REPEATEDLY THAT I WAS NOT LAUGHING AT PATHETIC PROTESTS OF A PERSONS EXECUTION."
Ok. Let's take a look at the comments to which I'm referring.
"The man cannot suffer physical or mental injuries,,,before dying? They think he might have actually CRIED??????
lol. Maybe all executed persons families can sue because their family member received holes or bruising while being lethally injected. Pathetic!!"
It sure sounds to me as though you're laughinly mocking protests against the suffering of a sick man during his botched execution. Yes, you explained that you were calling "pathetic" the hypothetical situation of the man's family suing over the pain and suffering inflicted by the execution, but not only did it not come across that way, but why would it be "pathetic" for the man's family to sue for this and win?
Denise, with all due respect, I don't think I've "twisted" your words, and I'm certainly not deliberately trying to do so. I'm reading what you say and trying to explore with you and everyone else the implications of it.
Bye freak, bye all.
One thing I know from what they said however was that tree root business. Garrido would never have cut down a tree, so that is not it. The more trees the better it would have been for him. They won't talk to much about the size of it because they didn't get enough done to start digging today. They don't want anyone going over there to contaminate anything.
I am out of here too. Bye
"Who on here has actually said that. Certainly not me"
Nor have I, Tara, although I HAVE asked what the ultimate justification would be for not doing it. The three that come to my mind at the moment are that (1) Neither the Dugards nor society at large would likely feel sufficient "closure" and believe that justice was done, and it's important to have both; (2) If the Garridos were treated THAT nicely, actually being rewarded for their crimes, this could encourage others to commit crimes they desire to commit; and (3) If the Garridos were released, they, or, at least, Phillip would pose a severe threat to others.
"Sickness is beside the point."
Why is that?
"Did the man know right from wrong?
Did he know the difference?"
Define "know," and explain why this should be our only consideration.
"He probably suffers from a multitude of mental illnesses."
Glad you see that.
"But did he know right from wrong?"
What if he "knew" that the law considers it wrong but he didn't feel the wrongness of it in his heart, and, in any case, couldn't hold himself back from doing what he "knew" was wrong?
"And I believe he could control it if he desired to."
But could he control his desire? That is, even if what you say is true and that he could have stopped himself from acting out his pathological urges if he "desired to," could he have desired to? I don't think so. I think that was part of his sickness.
Or he couldn't desire enough to stop desiring to abuse females to actually refrain from doing it.
"THINK DENISE THINK!! Before you buy that cute green blouse you are considering buying."
Clever, Denise, and funny! :-) But I haven't been talking about blouse purchases. I've been talking about the vastly more momentous topic of crime and the fair and just response to crime. And while it may not be very helpful or important to ask yourself why you prefer a particular color over another in blouses, it may be very helpful and important to persistently ask yourself why people commit awful crimes, and to arrive at certain deep insights as a result of that sustained inquiry.
The real point of my asking why is not to suggest that we can arrive at all the answers. The point is to come to the insightful realization that there is always a why or a cause for criminal behavior for which the perpetrator should not be blamed, hated, and vindictively punished. That is to say, there is always a why or cause that makes the perpetrator a victim of that cause just as those he's criminally harmed are victims.
And when we realize this in profound and abiding ways, it changes us for the better, and when enough of us change for the better, so does society, and when society changes for the better, the crime rate goes down and there are fewer and fewer Philip Garridos around to threaten and scare us and our children.
Honestly Nag, you are biggest, dopiest, human being I have ever encountered. Who let you out of that straight jacket!!!! How much is your social security check? Do you have a life other than in your mind? If you have your welfare medicaid, you really must go see your psychiatrist. From one page I have gathered enough quotes for you to print and take to him/her. You are fucking delusional to think this way. It is purely idiotic to think that you can even begin to make a community of people think this way, much less the USA. Seriously, you are not far from placing yourself in danger of going behind bars yourself.
"momentous topic of crime;
insightful realization that there is always a why or a cause for criminal behavior for which the perpetrator should not be blamed;
I'm reading what you say and trying to explore with you and everyone else the implications of it;
it may be very helpful and important to persistently ask yourself why people commit awful crimes, and to arrive at certain deep insights as a result of that sustained inquiry;
And when we realize this in profound and abiding ways, it changes us for the better, and when enough of us change for the better, so does society, and when society changes for the better, the crime rate goes down and there are fewer and fewer Philip Garridos around to threaten and scare us and our children."
"You are fucking delusional to think this way."
What is "delusional" in my thinking?
"It is purely idiotic to think that you can even begin to make a community of people think this way, much less the USA."
What am I "idiotically" trying to make them think?
Seriously, you are not far from placing yourself in danger of going behind bars yourself.
"Behind bars" for WHAT?
No substance. Just more personal attacks. Par for the course.
"Behind bars" for WHAT?
Insanity
What am I "idiotically" trying to make them think?
You don't make them think anything except you that you are an idiot who loves to argue. Idiotically!
I wonder what the relationship between financial status and child abuse is.
I wonder if poor and/or middle class people people are more likely to sexually abuse children, than wealthy upper classes.
Antioch is a shithole, and Garrido is going to die locked up, poor, lonely, and raped. Exactly what he deserves.
Hi Dr. Webb. Antioch is not ALL a shit hole. Just like just about every city, it has it's seedy area. And the area Garrido was in was not a very nice area, but better than some. Some places in Antioch are beautiful. I know this, because I used to visit Teresa when she lived there. She was not far from his neighborhood at all, but the difference was huge.
I agree he deserves his time in jail, but I do believe they will not give up until they get the proof that he deserves the death penalty as is required by law. I just wish they would change the laws to give the death penalties to all rapists and pedophiles.
Antioch is a nice place to live if you work in San Francisco and do not want to live in the big city.
I have never done studies or read of studies on financial causes of abuse. But, just from watching the crime channels and the news, it doesn't matter poor or rich, all types have their stories.
What time is it there Dr. Webb. Are you a night owl?
"You don't make them think anything except you that you are an idiot who loves to argue. Idiotically!"
What is "idiotic" in my arguments? Examples and explanations, please.
Thank you, in advance.
it is 4:22 am here. been having problems sleeping (at all) since march this year. health problems.
I just gave you a page of examples. THINK IDIOT THINK
Sorry to hear that Dr. Webb.
I know that feeling. Until about a year ago, I was sick for nearly a full two years, four surgeries and stuck in bed most of that time. That is how I got stuck on this laptop. Amazing how busy it can keep you. Now I go to work and come home to work on this in one way or another.
Ok, if "they" could refrain or control themselves from doing it...then why don't they?"
Now everbody must prove that my invalid logic is invalid!
Lol...plzzzzzzzzz!
I just gave you a page of examples. THINK IDIOT THINK"
You gave me some passages that are perfectly reasonable. If you disagree, please explain why? So far, all we have is you accusing me of insanely spouting "idiotic" arguments, and when I ask you what's idiotic about them, you just repeat that they're idiotic. Now, please forgive me for saying this, but THAT is what seems TRULY idiotic. :-)
Hello Coonhound. Sounds a like another ridiculous question asked by an insane man. There is no answer. Sorry Coonhound, there is nothing to prove with "invalid logic". You are correct to LOL on that.
"Now everbody must prove that my invalid logic is invalid!"
Coon, if my "logic" is "invalid," you COULD explain why so that I may see the error of my ways, just as you could show me which arguments of mine that you've "refuted." But it doesn't seem as though you can do either and that your assertions are groundless.
"Sorry Coonhound, there is nothing to prove with "invalid logic"."
How about simply explaining what's invalid about it?
"Why would I want to argue such insane comments?"
An adult of decency and integrity doesn't call someone's comments "insane" and "idiotic" without being willing and able to explain HOW they are.
So, let me ask you:
(1) What is "insane" or "idiotic" in my suggesting that if people persistently ask themselves why criminals commit crimes, they may come to understand that criminals are caused to commit these crimes by factors they do not control; and, therefore, they should not be blamed, hated, or vindictively punished for them; and (2) If we come to this realization or belief, it may change the way we feel about criminals and crimes and the way we respond to them in such a manner that we cause a decrease in crime?
Coonhound:
Superfluous Franglais in logicalistically smorgasbord with the psychological aspect being intrepidity, causes stomacher. Therefore you cannot deny realistic malleability. I rest my case. I am right and you know I am right.
Nag. Read the comments pasted for you. I have nothing else to say to you. Your comments copied and pasted make no sense. There is nothing to argue with you. There is nothing I can do for you. You must go talk to a professional. Get over yourself. You are very confused and you need help.
Geez, I watched something very disturbing this evening on 20/20. It was about this man, Philippe Pedieu from CA. He was found guilty of purposely infecting women with HIV.
He's in prison for life.
Boogie!!! See what you started LOL. He had finally shut up for a few hours.
I love this: "Superfluous Franglais in logicalistically smorgasbord with the psychological aspect being intrepidity, causes stomacher. Therefore you cannot deny realistic malleability. I rest my case. I am right and you know I am right."
I wanted to do that for so damn long. LOL You crack me up.
Hi Coonhound and Dr. Webb.
"Nag. Read the comments pasted for you. I have nothing else to say to you. Your comments copied and pasted make no sense."
I read them and have just restated their essential points to you. What is either "insane" or "idiotic" about them?
I know, I just couldn't sleep without giving it back to him. Did you see what he did to Denise. He is pathetic.
Coonhound, there are a lot of people in prison right now for purposely spreading HIV. You would be surprised. I guess people just get so angry that they have it, they want to take others down with them. Very sad indeed.
Hey there back.
They are all nasty MOFO's just like Garrido!
"Did you see what he did to Denise."
What did I "do" to Denise?
Agreed. I do not understand them not getting death penalties either. I mean, they gave someone else a horrible suffering death penalty.
Are you talking about that Pedieau guy?
I'm not sure if they are angry or if it's bc they just don't care.
Probably a combination.
Yes, that's the guy.
That is quite disturbing.
I had waited rather impatiently much of my day today thinking they would finally have the dirt on Garrido in order to put him down, and was really disappointed that they didn't finish up everything they thought they would and said they would in this mornings update.
It is going to be a tough weekend waiting for Monday. I don't want to have to see Jaycee having to go to testify in Court. If they can just bust him every which way but loose, she can maybe be spared of this.
Freak...
I also read about James Lamb. Scary fella too.
"Agreed. I do not understand them not getting death penalties either. I mean, they gave someone else a horrible suffering death penalty."
I agree that if there is to be a death penalty, those who can be proved to have infected others with HIV deliberately should get it. As should convicted terrorists or even would-be terrorists. As should even Bernie Madoff. But the question is, should ANY of them receive capital punishment?
That is, should there be a death penalty. I know what you guys think. I'm still ambivalent.
Don't worry about Jaycee. It might just be really good therapy for her to let him have it in court. I think she probably never ever had the chance/ability/fearlessness to be able to do that before. It may be beneficial to her.
Is that someone related to that silence of the lambs movie you were talking about earlier?
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Hey, I'll be back in a bit.
Still there Coonhound?
Who is James Lamb?
Lol, I think you misread a previous post.
But James Lamb is a sex offender in CA.
The movie I mentioned earlier was about Human Trafficking/Sex trade.
all I can find on him is a MySpace and Facebook lol
"Who is James Lamb?"
Salinas, Calif- Convicted child molester James Lamb, who has admitted to molesting over fifty children is living in a home [on] River Road just outside of Salinas near the city of Chualar.
I'm on my blackberry, so it slows me down a bit compared to you all.
I was sitting here thinking... I wonder if I can watch a movie like that.... the sex trade movie.
I had to kick myself when I realized, just last week, I watched the Ted Bundy movie.
Now that was on sick lifestyle. I remember people in here talking about him escaping so easy. He never escaped from a prison, he escaped from two jails. That movie I am sure only showed part of him, but what they showed was the nastiest grossest I thought life could ever be until I think about Gariddo.
Thx nag.
"Silence of the Lambs" was actually, as I recall, based loosely on some real serial killers of years ago. I believe that one of them was named Bob. Or maybe I'm thinking of the evil killer in "Twin Peaks." :-)
Freak...
I'll be back. I'm gonna google that movie. Its bothering me I can't remember it.
The movie is called "Human Trafficking" and here is the description.
Starring: Mira Sorvino, Donald Sutherland, Robert Carlyle Directed by: Christian Duguay Year: 2005 Every day, women and children are enslaved — kidnapped or sold into sex-trafficking rings. This is a tough, uncompromising drama about the brutal realities faced by some of them, and the rookie immigration agent who, with the help of her boss and his team, works to bust the ring she uncovers and get its victims to safety. This emotional tale of survival and justice is a must-see, as it exposes the horror stories that could happen in any neighborhood — including yours.
I was afraid to be alone in my own house for weeks after watching it!
Hold on a few seconds, going to look it up on Netflix or YouTube
Thanks for sharing the title with us, Coonhound. I caught some of it on Tv when it aired. As I recall, it was presented in more than one part or episode--a mini-miniseries, if you will. It WAS pretty good.
Human Trafficking(2005) NR
Golden Globe nominees Mira Sorvino and Donald Sutherland star in this startling Lifetime miniseries exposing the practice of sex slavery in contemporary America. Driven by her own demons, government agent Kate Morozov (Sorvino) leads the charge to bust a criminal sex-trade ring led by a Russian gangster (a menacing Robert Carlyle). What she uncovers is a far-reaching network that sells women and girls into lives of unspeakable exploitation.
Genre:
TV Miniseries
This movie is:
Suspenseful, Gritty, Exciting
Yes it was very informative. Well made movie. I had images of that movie in my head when I made that vulgar revolver remark yesterday.
Yeah, not sure I want to watch that, I might start shooting in the dark.
I just watched Ted Bundy's last interview. He blamed his problem on pornography. He just wanted to see each time he killed someone, and slept with them dead, or cut their head off to take it home, put make up on them so he could make out with the head only..... all this was because he wanted to see if he could get off more than he did with pornography.
So happy he died in the electric chair
"So happy he died in the electric chair."
So sad that you're "so happy." I'm not saying he shouldn't have been put to death. I'm just saying that putting anyone to death in the electric chair is not something I think we should be "happy" about.
And, no, I'm not trying to start an argument.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm3m733Hyak
There's an awful amount of people that go missing every year.
Anybody know the statistics?
It is about 3,000 each year (maybe just children) It was on CNN the other day.
Geez.
What was it you pulled up on you tube?
I couldn't pull it up for some reason.
Geez to the number? I think that was just the US. The article said something to the effect of, if the government does not find it within the law to find a more serious effort of catching and punishing the internet pedophiles, within the next 2 or 3 years, that it would triple.
I don't remember all the exact figures, but it was crazy. Convinced me to move the hell out of this country when I retire that is for damn sure.
the execution of Ted Bundy
Geez was to the number.
Coonhound, still there?
Here is Bundy's last letter. Still trying with the ladies from his prison cell less than one month before his execution.
http://whyfiles.org/014forensic/images/bundy.jpg
Note at the end, says: Yes, my eyes are blue.
Now if anyone is sick, I would have to say it is the women who wrote to him, turned on by him and his actions. They seem suicidal to me.
Just goes to show, there is no way around the death penalty for these pedophiles. They just grow to be Bundy
Why would a woman marry an incarcerated man?
I just don't get it. Not at all.
lol BoogieManHater, he did not make me crazy. But I had realized something, and you nailed it perfectly when you said:
"Why would I want to argue such insane comments?"
I had things to do anyhow, and I realized that some of the arguments are just that. Arguments. For arguments sake. No other purpose.
I do not think we need to evaluate and dissect into a bazillion separate questions, weigh the pros and cons and try to figure out what it is exactly that makes a child want to stick his finger in a light socket, before we decide if it is right or wrong to punish them for it. Do the OBVIOUS, and keep everyone safe and happy. They are babies, you say? So they do not know better. Their psyches are not developed enough. So why punish them at all? bah
Going to read that letter.
Coonhound, I am not sure why they would either.... but in that letter, which is very hard to read by the way.... you can tell he is very manipulative, trying to play on the guilt of a woman to get sympathy. (Sound familiar). Anyway, he writes, thanks for the money order.... then later he says, We bums are doing very well, I guess that makes you happy.
It was very difficult to read. I couldn't make any of it out.
Found this though...
http://www.serialkillerdatabase.net/tedbundy.html
Let me see if I can transcribe it for you. BRB
"I do not think we need to evaluate and dissect into a bazillion separate questions, weigh the pros and cons and try to figure out what it is exactly that makes a child want to stick his finger in a light socket, before we decide if it is right or wrong to punish them for it. Do the OBVIOUS, and keep everyone safe and happy. They are babies, you say? So they do not know better. Their psyches are not developed enough. So why punish them at all? bah"
You misrepresent what I was saying, Denise. If that's how you misunderstand it, now wonder it seems "insane."
Good night, everyone.
You know, I do not think this is really his last letter... I believe he was executed in 1989, the date at the top says November 1986. I will have to go look that up again later.
Goodnight,
Sleep tight,
Don't let the bed bugs bite.
November 18, 1986
Dear Cathy,
Thank you for your October 2 letter and the card you sent October 27. You heard the news about (illegible name) signing another death warrant against me. I am doing fine. This is the third warrant (a record) that I have gone through in nine months. I've (illegible) somewhat accustomed to living with such a threat.
There is a good chance that the (illegible) will block the November 18 execution. If they do, I'll write again and some of the things you raised in your letter about doing some research at (illegible) for me about what magazines I like and about a lot of things we can have here.
Thank you very much for the money order. It has come in very handy since I have been on death watch because we are allowed to buy more food items while the death warrant is pending.
We bums are doing very well. I guess that makes you happy.
(More, but not much to come)
Glad I didn't log out yet.
I actually can't make out the rest of it... kind of sounds like it would be some sort of code. Football crap. Then he ends it by saying, I hope life is good for you.
(illegible) Ted
P.S. Thanks for the stamps
P.P.S. My eyes are blue
I hat to say this, it does not say love ted, or yours, or anything like that... It looks like fuck ted, more than anything.
I do think he had some sort of code thingy going back and forth with Cathy.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5km7v_ted-bundys-last-interview_news
last interview
Now there's a way to avoid commitment...hook up with someone on death row.
Lol.
lol
not really coon. death row inmates usually wait 10 years 10 die, due to appeals.
it it a way INTO commitment.
I would like to say something, I guess to clear the record or the air or whatever it is. But I feel that I have created a misconception here. I am not angry with Nagarjuna, Tara, or anyone else in here, for that matter. I do not try to chastise anyone here. And nobody has made me crazy. When I see discussions that I think are senseless, I let it be known, and I walk away.
I am not trying to make it seem that "Its my way or the highway." Because I feel that I am open to any and all ideas. But it doesnt make sense for me to go back and forth on an idea that does not budge. I can only go so far, then I decide to stop.
I love you guys!! lol And I want to apologize, to everyone, for some of my uncalled for words yesterday and the day before. :)
I especially apologize to Nagarjuna, because he did me in, and I handled it very immaturely and inappropriately. I am sorry, amigo. Please forgive me.
BoogieManHater,,,I finally see that you do have good points. Two nights ago, you confused many things about me and Sunny, and you started controversy over non-facts. I apologize for my words to you as well.
To the person that I said I will have no further discussions with: If I misconstrued your intentions here, I apologize to you also. It seemed to me that you were not here on a serious level. Maybe I was wrong. I do not feel that I chastised you. I am just an individual here, nobody important. But I do not want to be a part of any game in here.
God bless each and every one of you.
And please do not question my relationship with the Lord. I am human, and far from perfect. But the Lord is my Savior, and I am not ashamed to say it. Silly for me to believe, maybe. But I love the saying, "The atheists better hope, for their sakes, that they are right." Peace.
Wow. I think there have been three or four hundred new posts since I was here last.
I have been reading through them trying to catch up, but probably not giving each one the loving attention it deserves. But a couple of things stand out.
There was one particularly tender stretch of comments, where people were talking about Jaycee and her family and community in such real and caring ways (BrendaStar, your account of the events of that morning brought tears to my eyes). It was wonderful for me to read about the kind of community Jaycee comes from. Thank you.
Then came this exchange about Nancy Garrido:
"She had so many options to go to the police over the last 21 years."
(YouAreSuchAFreak)
"Why do you suppose she didn't choose one of her other options?"
(Nagarjuna)
And my heart just sank. Nagarjuna, your question was so jarring for me. It seemed so insensitive to the mood of what was going on. You ask what harm your questions are doing, and I am at a loss for words. I can feel that you are being socially inappropriate, but don't know quite how to explain it. FEEL, Nagarjuna, FEEL!
I know I said earlier I would endeavor not to direct personal comments towards you, but I am suspending my endeavorment, at least for the time being.
Denise I hope that I'll go to Peru one day! I have a dream about travelling in South America ,Hogar de niños, you know (Don't remember what it's called in english....) in both areas! Could be exciting!
I work for a Property Developer company where I research lots of things online as well as being the Secretary for the company.
There has not been much happening this week, just going to work and home again to play on the computer
God bless you
YouAreSuchAFreak,
I think Ted Bundy lied to the end even in that last interview. the guy who interviewed him said he found him to be honest. He looks very deceptive to me and trying to ploy sympathy. Grant it it was his last night to live, but that was after years and years if appeals and him avoiding the death penalty over and over again by firing his lawyers extending his trials, escaping twice, and so on.
"It is making me physically ill to read the horror in some of these comments."
Denise, you made this comment after people had been speculating about what Jaycee went through. I had the same reaction you did--it made me physically ill--and I tried to skip over the speculations. But I was catching much more than I wanted to. I don't know how to skim for what I DO want to read without getting the stuff I could do without. Ack.
"And my heart just sank. Nagarjuna, your question was so jarring for me. It seemed so insensitive to the mood of what was going on. You ask what harm your questions are doing, and I am at a loss for words. I can feel that you are being socially inappropriate, but don't know quite how to explain it. FEEL, Nagarjuna, FEEL!"
I agree, Goblinbee. I was not trying to disrupt the mood, but my question trying to suggest that Nancy Garrido acted as she did because she couldn't help it at that time, was ill-timed, and many of my comments after that got out of hand.
I apologize to everyone, and especially to Denise.
He wrote several letter to the author Anne Rule who Ted Bundy worked with an a crisis intervention unit years prior. I would research her letters with Ted I do believe she had one of the last corespondences with him besides that interview as well as she wrote a book about her experience and published those letters. It is called "the stranger beside me"
I appreciate your apology, Nagarjuna. Thank you.
Good Morning. BrendaStar I do again believe you are correct. Ted Bundy did appear to be enjoying that interview a bit to much. Yes, he did cry. I believe he was telling the truth that it began with pornography and I do believe he cried because he "blames" this. But I also believe, if you watch that interview, there came a point in which it was time to describe his acts, he turned his head with a look of smirking pleasure, and then used a general term for his actions instead. He did not have regret for what he did. I think the interview was a way for him to go out with a bang. Put himself and his actions back out there for people to feel even more pain from him.
I did find that book last night written by Ann, The Stranger Beside Me. While it does interest me to a point, I decided not to let "ted" (as he signs his name) have any more "e"ffect my life than he already has.
You know, I was going to get out of here today, take the boat out to the lake, but the wind has come up, and everyone went about other things, so here I sit again.
I wonder if by the end of this day, any of this craziness will make sense. I do believe there is a Satan, and one who sends his demons upon us.
"In all frankness, I don't think that either you or most everyone else here has given the matter ENOUGH thought except in terms of rationalizing the hatred and vindictiveness you came here with..."
(Nagarjuna)
I know I have not given it enough thought (it seems a lifelong pursuit), but hatred, vindictiveness, and lack of compassion, ARE the things I've been pondering while reading this blog. I'm not sure what I feel. It doesn't feel exactly like hatred (hatred seems more petty or personal), but maybe I do despise him. I'm not saying what I SHOULD feel, but what I DO feel. I know I am imperfect--it goes without saying that I think imperfect thoughts and feel imperfect feelings. What I remain unsure about is what a mythical perfect or ideal human would think or feel. Maybe our exact blend of irrational and rational thoughts and feelings IS the ideal.
YouAreSuchAFreak,
It appears my friend we agree far more then we disagree ;) (wink) lol... Good morning to you as well... I have to pull myself away today for awhile as i did yesterday and now im reading 200 comments...
But yes I too agree with you however on the contrary about that book The Stranger beside me. I own it its a great book... Although I have to admit it scared the wits out of me at times. It has actually been the only book that I have ever gotten actually frightened from reading... But it was a great, great book and in fact now Anne Rule is one of my fav. authors. It did indeed to me show a very cunning side of predators because they did meet at a crisis intervention line he used to help her save peoples lives just him and her together in a room for hours alone...how can one help someone so much yet then have this other side to them... I dont think Ted Bundy happened because of porn I think it has to do with his past and that he in a time when it was not okay to be an illegitimate child he was, and that he found out later in life in his late teens that his sister was his mother although they truly believe he committed his first murder when he was a child himself. But I too found him to be very very deceptive, I think all the way until the end he was playing people. He was a master manipulator, and in turn as serial killers do they find themselves above the law sometimes almost a god like presence they feel they have...
Which brought me to another thought but Nancy Garrido as we know is really wacked herself but she was a RN?????????? scary scary thought to me
Ah, yes, you touched on something that came to mind from as little as I do know of his history. You wrote: "illegitimate child he was, and that he found out later in life in his late teens that his sister was his mother"
This was something very important I could see he wanted to get out in his interview. Something very earnest in him wanted to make sure that the world know that it was him, not his Christian parents. He went on about this with what did appear to me to be sincerity. Maybe he wanted to get the public's interest off his family. Not exactly sure.
But what struck me, was that, he did not acknowledge being the illegitimate son of his sister. Rather, he discussed being one of 5 (brothers and sisters). What parents was he referring to? His grandparents, with one of his sister's being his mother, or was he referring to his Sister/Mother? If that makes sense.
YouAreSuchAFreak,
p.s. Enjoy your three days off :)
YouAreSuchAFreak,
Ahhh you are so right and that is what I see too...I believe he was speaking about his grandparents and when ever asked how was your child hood? He usually and almost always replies that it was great nothing traumatic and weird but yet it was ... As well as his grandfather was reportedly very violent at times... Interesting being that Ted Bundy was very violent towards women... He was rejected by his college first love which they say all of his victims resembled but also he didnt meet her until later and he still is suspected of committing his first murder when he was like 14,15 years old... I truly feel it was deep rooted in his child hood, and that you were basically a lie your whole life.. and that they were ashamed of who he was and where he actaully came from...
Dr webb...
Point well taken. And a very scary truth in the matter. Thanks.
I cannot argue that or agree with whether this is what made him turn out to be the killer he was. I may read up on this afterall to satisfy my curiosity. Although, I will state, just as so many claimed atheist's state in here that that they know the word of God, yet reject it. Then they know the word of God, the bible explains this. He will enter each of your lives, accept him or reject him. If you accept him, he will be with you and guide you.
Ted Bundy had this opportunity, and even if atheists do not believe in the opportunity, they will have to look at all the other positive influences in ted's life. He had school, he had church, he had thousands of people crossing his path to learn from. If he had the capacity to kill at such a young age, it perplexes me that he didn't kill those that hurt him, so I do wonder, and I will have to read up.
What I would like know now, is how many of the pedophiles/rapists Ted Bundy counseled were released and then recommitted another rape crime. It would also be very interesting to know how much worse their second crimes were than their first.
Goblinbee--
"What I remain unsure about is what a mythical perfect or ideal human would think or feel. Maybe our exact blend of irrational and rational thoughts and feelings IS the ideal."
I don't believe that what we typically see in forums such as this and in society at large is "the ideal." And I share your implied sense that human perfection is "mythical" rather than real. But I think we all know people or know of people who seem to be closer APPROXIMATIONS of perfection than we are. For Christians, that could be Jesus or one of the saints. For Buddhists, Buddha or Nagarjuna (the real Nagarjuna :-)). Or it could be a very wise aunt or grandfather. And I think that when we find ourselves behaving badly or feeling and "venting" extreme and lingering hatred, outrage, contempt, and vindictiveness toward any human being rather than toward his behavior, if we asked ourselves, "How would Jesus or Buddha or Aunt Jessie feel and talk about this person?" it might calm us some. And when we are calmer and more disposed to tap into the pool of wisdom that I would like to think resides at the core of each of us, we might be more able to let our insight--which is more than sheer reason or Vulcan logic--assume the upper hand in controlling how we feel, what we say, and how we act.
My efforts here, as misguided and ineffectual as they appear to have been, have aimed at encouraging us to tap into our deepest wisdom about WHY people do the awful things they sometimes do and to feel as much empathy and compassion for them as well as for the people they've harmed as we can. Of course it's going to be difficult if not impossible to look at Phillip Garrido and the terrible things he's done and instantly or ever feel boundless love and compassion for him. But I think the great saints and sages throughout history would say that this IS the "ideal," and that the closer we can gently but firmly push ourselves in that direction, the better off we'll be as individuals and as a society.
"And when we are calmer and more disposed to tap into the pool of wisdom that I would like to think resides at the core of each of us, we might be more able to let our insight--which is more than sheer reason or Vulcan logic--assume the upper hand in controlling how we feel, what we say, and how we act."
(Nagarjuna)
This is beautiful. I love the idea of being able to tap into our wisdom when we are calmer. And I like the idea of insight rather than sheer logic. I have been struggling with what has seemed like the sheer logic of your argument all along, because it does not seem to meet people's emotional needs. Something has been lacking. Which doesn't mean I have something better to offer! I really am trying to sort this all out myself.
you sick fuck. I hope you are eviscerated in prison and your entrails are put on display for everyone to take delight in the fact that YOU ARE DEAD. Although death is too good for you and you should be tortured and maimed for 18 years times 100. By women. I would rip out your pathetic excuse for a cock and stuff it in your fucking mouth at gunpoint and make you CHEW motherfucker if you EVER set foot near me. Smash your fucking brains with my boots...slowly. oh, ya, and FUCK YOUR GOD. IT IS NOT THE CHRISTIAN GOD.
"I have been struggling with what has seemed like the sheer logic of your argument all along, because it does not seem to meet people's emotional needs."
Goblinbee--
I "hear" you. But it seems to me that our ultimate "emotional need" is to feel safe, to love and be loved, and to feel happy or fulfilled. And I would ask how we can do this if we're filled with outrage and hatred toward anyone for any reason.
And I would proceed to suggest that if we can open ourselves to the kinds of questions and arguments I've been posing here, we may discover (or we may not) that they make sense, and that, if we discover that they do, we may be able to bring our emotions in line with our higher insight and fulfill our "emotional needs" a lot better.
In other words, if we discover that what I'm saying makes sense and that only really sick or twisted people do the kinds of horrible things Phillip Garrido has done, hatred can progressively give way to understanding, understanding to compassion, and compassion to inner peace that also expresses itself outwardly to engender peace around us.
"Something has been lacking."
I agree, and I think you've touched upon the essence of it, Goblinbee. I've been too focused on using "reason" or "logic" to reach that place inside us all that transcends cold reason and logic on the one hand and heated, "irrational" emotionality on the other, and I've failed miserably.
And the walls came down
All the way to hell
Good morning a todos.
I have been reading the comments from this morning. And I wanted to say that I do not hate Garrido. I am not positive of this, but I think that maybe Nagarjuna thinks that if we want him executed, we must hate him. But it is not true. I do understand about his illnesses, etc. But I think that it is more safe and economical for everyone, to execute people like this, as opposed to paying for their upkeep.
I do not hate him. But to send him flowers? I cannot find the logic in that. And as I said before, I told my daughter that if I ever hurt her in any way, to tell every person on me, and I would want to be executed. Honestly. It is the same if I turned into a monster, beyond my control, at any given moment and hurt anyone. Execute, or rather, euthanize me. Please.
freak
You mentioned earlier in connection with internet pedophiles
"Convinced me to move the hell out of this country when I retire that is for damn sure."
How can you escape internet pedophiles ? The problem is worldwide.
I am interested in which country/countries you would consider moving to, where you think you would feel safer.
Why wait until you retire, if you feel so unsafe in your own country at the moment, why not move now.
BrendaStar: I did a little reading from the Wikipdia site. I was amazed that several of his killings were within miles of where I once lived as an infant in Issaquah, Washington, but after having moved away, but then later killing in another area I had also previously lived near in Colorado.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy
From this information it appears that the STORIES of his troubles beginning in his childhood began with his own families' talk or gossip, and I do find them somewhat unbelievable, and wonder how stable this family member was and if that itself says anything. Specifically, "Louise Bundy's younger sister Julia recalled a disturbing incident with her young nephew. After lying down in the Cowells' home for a nap, Julia woke to find herself surrounded by knives from the Cowell kitchen. Three-year-old Ted was standing by the bed, smiling at her."
I just find it hard to believe that people were not looking for payoffs when this story first broke, just like Cheyvonne Molino. So, I tend to believe only looking at the facts to get to the truest aspect of the story. Looking at the proven murders, and what he admitted to, I believe something did happen to set him off, which made him go seek out the truth as to whose child he was, and then stopped caring altogether. I would like to see some facts on this.
And this is actually no better than what I just said about taking into any account "gossip". But, I think, and I have not found any investigative follow-up to this at this point, but think it should be looked into, facts should be looked into......... His true parentage, his true father and the story behind that may have quite a bit to do with this. HOW did he find out anything to make him know and feel he needed to go look up his birth information. That act shows he had some disbelief in someone or something maybe someone told him, or he overheard. Did someone slap him down with some horrible information, beyond his belief? I can envision someone telling him, he was just like his father or something horrible like this. Was his mother raped? Someone wanted to keep him as an infant. Did that offend someone else? The grandparents kept him. I don't think they were offended, if they knew, otherwise, why was he not given up for adoption. There are so many things that could be guessed here, but conveniently, no information on.
Do you know anything about him having contact with any of his family between the time he looked up his records and the time he was finally caught? I see nothing about him returning home.
Getting away from this now. The wind stopped, we are going to give boating a shot today afterall.
Tara, I don't have time to find that statement. If you find it, quote and read the entire statement. (Partial quotes are not a fair way to address anything in any conversation as proven time and time again in this blog). I believe my point was more to the point that if the US does not do anything about it, which does not appear that they are, I do not want to live here when the number of missing children multiplies by 3 within the next few years. There are some places that are quite nicer places to live than the USA and to which it appears will become so much worse. I prefer to live my own life, which the USA promised, but does not deliver while they allow these dangers to infiltrate us and harm us.
"In other words, if we discover that what I'm saying makes sense and that only really sick or twisted people do the kinds of horrible things Phillip Garrido has done, hatred can progressively give way to understanding, understanding to compassion, and compassion to inner peace that also expresses itself outwardly to engender peace around us."(Nagarjuna)
This does sound lovely. Dreamy. Other-wordly. I feel very far from this.
And I wonder if humans aren't capable of holding the two things at once: the complete certainty that Garrido was incapable of doing anything but what he did, AND a lack of compassion. Maybe this contradiction even serves an evolutionary purpose.
Good morning, Denise!
BrendaStar
You mentioned in an earlier post, in connection with Ted Bundy
“I truly feel it was deep rooted in his child hood”
Do you not think that this is a major factor in many terrible crimes that are committed ?
At the moment we have one particularly horrendous case in the news in the UK regarding two brothers aged 10 and 11 who brutally attacked two slightly younger boys, tortured them and left one of them for dead.
Initially they were charged with attempted murder, charges have since been reduced and they have pleaded guilty, to spare the victims having to appear in court.
One of the charges was sexually related.
Also these were not first offences.
So what made these CHILDREN commit such horrendous crimes ?
If you read about their backgrounds it’s very disturbing reading and all the facts have not yet been revealed. More will be known in November when they are sentenced.
It has been reported that the mother was desparate for help, even suicidal. She knew she couldn’t cope and things were totally out of control.
So where was that help ? Our system has failed this family miserably.
But society itself can’t escape blame, and that means every one of us, for turning these children into criminals.
No end of social factors and pressures on our children today, come into the equation
Until we look at the root causes and try to deal with them and improve our existing systems, other similar cases are sure to occur.
There are further links from these pages with all the background information, which are well worth reading and a professional insight into why this has happened.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/8233822.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/8237734.stm
freak
This is your complete post that I was referring to. 9.58pm
"Geez to the number? I think that was just the US. The article said something to the effect of, if the government does not find it within the law to find a more serious effort of catching and punishing the internet pedophiles, within the next 2 or 3 years, that it would triple.
I don't remember all the exact figures, but it was crazy. Convinced me to move the hell out of this country when I retire that is for damn sure.
Good morning, goblinbee, how was your big day? I missed you mucho, so it better have been excellent for you. lol
"the complete certainty that Garrido was incapable of doing anything but what he did, AND a lack of compassion"
I think I fit this category. I am sorry for his illness. I am sure no person, including Garrido, would ever want to become the monster he has become. But I have the same compassion for him as I would have for a rabid dog. And trust me, our neighbors had a dog that became rabid, when I was a child. I remember them throwing a sack over the dog's head, and I was angry and sad. But the dog was so vicious. I was saddened that he had to be put down, but there was nothing more they could do for the dog. And he was in pain also.
YouAreSuchAFreak, you are welcome to be my roommate in Lima, Peru. My fiance said that I can maybe get a job as a hotel clerk or hotel maid and make about $80 per month. He makes close to $200 each month.
"I am not positive of this, but I think that maybe Nagarjuna thinks that if we want him executed, we must hate him."
Not exactly, Denise. I said a long time ago that I might not oppose Garrido's execution. And I'll say now that I think it might be possible to execute someone without hating him.
So, it seems to me, Denise, that our real disagreement is relatively minor but has gotten blown up, largely because of my foolish stubornness, into a big, old mess.
What I've been trying to say is that whether we incarcerate Garrido for life or execute him, we should do it with compassion that comes from realizing that he too was a blameless victim of the sickness that made him victimize others. I've been trying to say that if could look at things in this wiser and more benevolent way, WE would be better off and so would society.
Tara/Nag
The one or two of you are again being ridiculous and are just trying to beat a dead horse. Your solution. Understand the perpetrator, forgive him, let him free of his guilt. Understand what and why he did this and then it will all go away. Bullshit.
Remove him from society and stop it from spreading. Deal with those parents as they are shown to be abusive and "may" have caused this. You two would not last a minute in the arena with these pedophiles, yet you would ask the world to take the time to understand them. We understand much of what causes this. We also understand, they do not change. We understand they need to be put down forever in order to attempt to stop this. You will never stop the entire world of people from abusing. It is one case at a time, and your way builds a world of SATAN.
Denise: No need to start with the sarcasm again. I have nearly made enough to live comfortably up to 110 years of age right here in the USA, as this was my goal 39 years ago. I said retire, so, if I left the USA with my savings, how long do you think I can live on that kind of money someplace else?
Over and out for the day. I won't be thinking of this blog while I am floating on the waters today! :)
boogiemanhater
How would you deal with/sentance the two CHILDREN that I mentioned in the current case in the UK ?
boogiemanhater said
"Tara/Nag
The one or two of you are again being ridiculous and are just trying to beat a dead horse. Your solution. Understand the perpetrator, forgive him, let him free of his guilt. Understand what and why he did this and then it will all go away. Bullshit."
A complete mis-representation of any of the posts that I have made
I wouldn't deal with it Tara. I do not live in the UK. We have enough problems of our own here in the USA to stick our noses into other countries problems right now. If all the wars in the past few years haven't shown us this, leaving our economy in the state it is in right now. Who knows, maybe we would have had the time and money to effectively tackle problems such as Garrido long before this. One more reason not to spend money on long term prison sentences, but to dispose of the problems.
"This does sound lovely. Dreamy. Other-wordly. I feel very far from this."
Is it "otherworldly," Goblinbee, or a vision, echoed by the greatest saints and sages throughout history, of what THIS world COULD be?
And if we feel "very far from this" now, does that mean that we should content ourselves to remain this way without even trying not to?
"Maybe this contradiction even serves an evolutionary purpose."
Perhaps, although I confess that I see no "evolutionary" or any other kind of positive "purpose" in it. But is it ALSO possible that you're just offering a rationalization for avoiding the hard work of trying to accomplish what your deepest wisdom counsels--the feeling and expression of compassion for even the "least" or most despised among us?
boogiemanhunter
So you don't have similar cases in the USA ? If not, lucky you.
Hypothethically then, what would you do if this case occurred in the your country ?
"I am sure no person, including Garrido, would ever want to become the monster he has become."
(Denise)
This is the crux of the matter right here, isn't it? This is what Nagarjuna has been arguing. It does seem so true. I wonder why it is that I believe this and yet still cannot find a drop of compassion in me.
Nagarjuna, you mentioned bringing our emotions into line with our higher thinking. It seems like probably a very long, slow process.
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