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«Oldest ‹Older 2401 – 2600 of 12462 Newer› Newest»Sunny and Denise, I am with the two of you on the immigration issue.
Sunny, Peru is indeed a beautiful country. Even the poorest parts of the country are so beautiful to me. The people there are beautiful. I have not had the opportunity to go to Macchu Picchu to see the Inca Ruins. But I really have no interest. Lima is like a huge Chicago, or New York. There is everything to do there. They even have a Cafe Rock. Wow, my dementia is really kicking in right now. lol. It is called Cafe Rock, isnt it? The famous Clubs that are found all over the world? Anyhow, you and anyone else, would love it there. I am sure. They have a beautiful beach also, on the Pacific Ocean. But maybe I am just being biased. lol I love Peru, though. Life is hard there for many people. But they seem to keep their spirits up and are the sweetest persons on Earth. And I love my fiance's family. THEY ARE THE BEST!!
Hard Rock Cafe!
(Cool as a cucumber)
wow, Tina, Jaycee's aunt did another interview. I thought it was the same one so I didn't read it at first. Everything sounds much better for Jaycee than she says everyone discusses, but she does go on to say the tough part begins when Jaycee and the girls go into counseling. Also, another story about Jaycee getting their pets back, and there were a lot of them. On have pitbull. I can imagine that dog going for a throat if it was around when any physical abuse may have been happening.
That article soothed a bit here.
One half pitbull I meant
Oh my gosh, Yes. Hard Rock Cafe. I knew Cafe Rock didnt sound right. lol Thank you goblinbee. Cafe Rock reminded me of the Flintstones.
Hopefully Jaycee and her daughters are soon re-united with their pets.
Pets can be a great comfort and may be a small but significant factor in helping their recovery from their ordeal.
Jaycee Dugard's pets at Contra Costa animal shelter awaiting reunion
By Robert Salonga
Contra Costa Times
Posted: 09/17/2009 02:22:39 PM PDT
Updated: 09/17/2009 03:38:55 PM PDT
MARTINEZ — While Jaycee Dugard and her two daughters reunite with the Dugard family, 12 other occupants of the Walnut Avenue backyard where they were once held captive are in limbo, waiting for a reunion of their own.
Five shorthair cats, a Labrador mix, a Rottweiler mix, three cockatiels, a pigeon and a mouse are at the Contra Costa County Animal Services facility in Martinez. They've been there since Aug. 27, when authorities began searching the house near Antioch for evidence in Dugard's 1991 abduction from her South Lake Tahoe neighborhood.
Animal services Lt. Nancy Anderson said the animals were in good health when her agency found them at the home of Phillip and Nancy Garrido, who are charged with kidnapping and raping Dugard.
"We've had them pretty much since the day of the search," Anderson said. "They were ... well taken care of."
Anderson said a person she described as a "liaison" has contacted her office and indicated that Dugard and her daughters have shown interest in reclaiming their pets. She wouldn't say whom the liaison was representing.
But no specific plan to return the animals has emerged and, in the meantime, they will be held in protective custody until the liaison either can a arrange a reunion with Dugard and her daughters or find a foster home. The animals are not available for adoption by the general public.
"We'd like to get as many back to the family as possible," Anderson said.
Awww, I hope they get their pets back soon. How touching, youknow those kids have got to miss them to death.
"Nag/ben/steve"
Steve mistakenly posting here while still signed into this wife's e-mail. I thought I corrected that when I erased the first message and reposted it, but I hadn't, and I've only now discovered that as I came back on here to see what was happening.
Hope I relieved your confusion. :-)
Did anyone see the movie, My Name Is Steven? It was about the boy that was kidnapped and held the same as Jaycee was. And when the man kidnapped a new boy, Steven ran to authorities to protect the newly kidnapped boy.
The movie focused mainly on the challenges of reuniting with his family, after living a certain way that was different than his family lived, for so long.
I am thinking that now Jaycees family will have 12 animals in their home. Which is a small price to pay, to get your daughter back, of course. But I personally do not like animals in my home. It would be difficult for me. Each new story that develops makes me angrier at the Garridos and persons like him.
Coonhound: I wouldn't even go there. What a waste of time. His real name is Steve. LOL
Something familiar will help, but at the same time. I am glad they had this much time with the other life totally away from them until they got to know Jaycee's mother again. Bless their hearts.
denise
You don't know what you are missing if you haven't got a nice big gentle giant of a Newfoundland like we have (smile)
"You will be able to pick them out easily, although sometimes he gets sneaky, coming in with a total different perspective, and then acting as if Nag changed his mind, after he goes back and forth for a while. It is quite comical."
I have never tried to fool anyone into thinking I'm anyone other than the guy who posts as Nagarjuna, and you know it. So, of course you would always know it was me, as in the previous instance of my mistakenly posting from my wife's sign in but saying something that made it perfectly clear that it was ME saying it.
Are you really so desperate to discredit me that, when you can't undermine my arguments, you resort to ridiculously accusing me of trying to fool people here with sock puppets? :-)
Coonhound did you read about it in People or on that show of Campbell Brown's?
boogiemanhater
The article I posted earlier about the pets was from the Mercury News
http://www.mercurynews.com/topstories/ci_13359690
Here is another Daily Dumb:
When we heard that Dennis Lottig (pictured) was arrested in West Virgina this week on charges of stealing from a bank,we were surprised to hear it wasn't money he was interested in. Lottig took four security cameras from City National Bank in St. Albans, according to police.
Unfortunately for Lottig, 33, he didn't think to also pinch the tapes that were recording him commit the alleged crimes. Police reviewed the footage and were able to ID the young Donald Sutherland lookalike by sight.
Lottig is being held in the South Central Regional Jail on a $75,000 bond, which is what happens to people who are caught doing dumb things on camera in West Virgina. He's kind of unlucky in that regard. Here in New York, if you do stupid things on camera, you get to anchor the Fox 5 news.
Thanks Tara. I read yours, but it is the same as People Magazine's. People is claiming it is their story, from Tina. No matter, I was just trying to find out if Brown had additional information. I don't watch Television. Just the computers.
Actually, they cross referenced their stories. My apologies.
Here is the actual original interview: http://www.ocregister.com/articles/jaycee-dugard-tina-2550469-girls-daughters
Boogie...I watched it on cambell brown. Also, CNN is reporting that 2 cadaver dogs are hitting in the same place in the yard.
Benjames???? What was up with that, Nag?
I was watching a live video of the dogs earlier today, I could see, they were sniffing it out... they were pacing around and around, but they didn't comment on it yet. This is sad, but also so very good, Garrido and Nancy will now likely get justice.
that was his "wife's" email
I read about it on CNN mobi. Very true about them getting justice. There's no telling what's all buried in that yard.
Boogie... I see your point regarding keeping the victims seperate from all things (pets), at least for a while.
I was kind of worried that it would all be to old for the dogs to help, but thought the radar would certainly find some things. I think you are not far from the truth of what they will find, with the two other missing girls, and the reports of prostitute like parties and screaming coming from the back yard. I don't know how to take all this in sometimes. You want him to finally get the ultimate bust, but at the same time, you don't want to know how many people he really destroyed.
Did you go to that link and watch the video interview with Tina? She is a very keen woman.
And very thoughtful of the people so concerned to do these interviews.
No, I haven't seen the new interview yet.
Here is the actual original interview: http://www.ocregister.com/articles/jaycee-dugard-tina-2550469-girls-daughters
A lot of news reports have come out today. I just found a slew more.
(The pulling up of concrete slabs is sure to be a find also.)
SF Gate: (09-17) 18:24 PDT ANTIOCH -- Two police dogs trained to locate human remains showed interest today in a spot on the half-acre property near Antioch where Phillip Craig Garrido and his wife, Nancy Garrido, allegedly held kidnap victim Jaycee Dugard for 18 years, authorities said.
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Police said they would return Friday to the "open ground" area pointed out by the canines, looking underground with radar equipment and digging into the dirt for possible remains. They cautioned that cadaver dogs sometimes detect odors where no bodies are found.
The potential find occurred on the third day of a painstaking search of the Garridos' home and a property next door, where Phillip Garrido once lived in a shed. On Wednesday, investigators reported finding bones that could be either animal or human.
Those bones are being tested, and police note that Native American remains have been found in the area in the past.
Police are looking for clues in the disappearances of 9-year-old Michaela Garecht from Hayward in November 1988 and 13-year-old Ilene Misheloff from Dublin two months later. A witness to Garecht's abduction has told The Chronicle that Phillip Garrido resembles the man she saw grab Michaela.
The Garridos have pleaded not guilty to charges that they kidnapped Dugard from South Lake Tahoe in 1991, when she was 11, and kept her as a sex slave in their backyard compound for 18 years. She had two of Phillip Garrido's children, authorities said, and eventually helped him run a printing business.
On Thursday, police disassembled decks on the Garridos' property, removed debris and gathered possible evidence, including writings by Phillip Garrido. On Friday, they plan to pull up concrete slabs so they can dig underneath.
Alameda County sheriff's Sgt. J.D. Nelson, whose agency provided the cadaver dogs, said the first one to indicate possible human remains did so "tentatively." When a second dog was brought over, he said, that dog showed interest "almost immediately" and was "forceful."
Other dogs - trained to find older bones rather than decomposing human remains - are being brought in Friday, Nelson said.
E-mail Demian Bulwa at dbulwa@sfchronicle.com.
Any interesting updates?
"Steve mistakenly posting here while still signed into this wife's e-mail."
THIS wife's email? How many wives have you? (I hope you take this with the warm humor in which it was intended.)
No. I know it is a mess, but I do have a hard time waiting for them to just get to what they and the public all know is there. My sadness for Jaycee is coming back again, when I realize not only what she endured, but what else she may have had to witness and keep to herself. Damn this man and his f'n wife. His mother too, how could she not know also.
I didn't know (until I read it here) that Garrido's mother was living with them all that time. She says she thought Jaycee was her granddaughter, but then didn't she think it strange when a little girl got pregnant and delivered a baby two times?
I heard that too, how unlikely they would be blond, if she honestly thought they were Nancy's kids too.
Goblinbee, I wrote you an email that had a question on it, asking what you thought about something. Did you receive it? Just curious if maybe the email system is still malfunctioning.
"I hope you take this with the warm humor in which it was intended.)"
But of course, Goblinbee. :-)
More seriously, I kinda get the impression most of you think I'm grimly serious about all of this. I'm not. Yes, we're talking about very serious matters, for the most part. But even when we are, I agree with G.K. Chesterson when he said, "Angels fly because they take themselves lightly." I try to do that, and, for the most part, I succeed.
link to video with Sharon Murch's mother. I hope I spelled her name correctly.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/jaycee-dugard-case-mother-missing-daughter-hope/story?id=8588151
Ahhh... it is Michaela Murch's mother, Sharon Murch
Goodnight everyone. When you go to bed tonight, may you have sweet dreams of Nagarjuna verbally bludgeoning you into enlightened benevolence. :-)
And don't ever forget to THINK PEOPLE THINK! :-)
Here is another video which at the end touches on the fact that Garrido's mother had lived there for the last decade, except for sometime in the last year she was placed in a nursing home. No way in hell can anyone say she did not know those two babies were Nancy's, and/or know what was going on with Jaycee.
http://www.kcra.com/video/20975961/index.html
Nagarjuna...
I for one never interpreted you as "grimly serious." Rather, I believed you to enjoy taking on the role of "Devil's Advocate" so to speak.
Both your screen name and philosophical approach led me to that impression early on in your posts.
You are very good at it, too.
Oh, and your Cohen quote is awesome!
Nagarjuna...
I for one never interpreted you as "grimly serious." Rather, I believed you to enjoy taking on the role of "Devil's Advocate" so to speak.
Both your screen name and philosophical approach led me to that impression early on in your posts.
You are very good at it, too.
Oh, and your Cohen quote is awesome!
Good Morning Coonhound. Was just catching up on all the news. It is all finally coming to head. Maybe Jaycee will not have to step foot into a courthouse. One more blessing for Jaycee!
I saw Nag's message "bludgeoning" everyone goodnight last night too. Dispicable
anyone have any live video links of the search today?
Yes, yes, yes. That would be a great blessing...no courthouse, no media circus.
I know the media can be overbearing sometimes. I know that sometimes they report inaccurately and carelessly. But if it were not for the media, so many would be so unaware of what is hiding and lurking around us. Aside from that, I have become so involved in this story, I am really anxious to see Jaycee, how she looks this day and hopefully hear from her that she will be okay in all this. I hope she never ever has to work a day in her life and spends her time viewing the beauty of life for her remaining days.
Dr. Webb, are you out there? did a search for Ben James Pedophile and came up with many many links on Glenn Hitchen. Haven't had time to read it all, but thought you might be interested.
True, just glad she doesn't have to deal with it(media at court house), hopefully not.
They need to tear that house down piece by piece.
I'm intrigued to learn more specifics of how he went about all this.
I can only imagine he instilled the highest of fear into Jaycee to get her to comply with anything and everything. Someone said in here the sorrow felt for Jaycee knowing she may have had to witness and keep to herself some horrible things. What she herself and what she has had to see is what has been weighing on my heart.
Yes, definitely. This story makes the threat of abduction real to many people.
We can't begin to imagine what tactics he used.
I mean he didn't just kidnap a girl and say "well, here's ur new home, enjoy."
The girl would've been drugged repeatedly, chained. This would went on for some time.
I wonder if the drugs were really a part of it. Garrido is very selfish. Drug addicts don't give it up so easy. Unless they can figure out what else he had his hands into, the printing business didn't have that many customers. I wonder where the money came from to feed everyone. His mother's income could not have been that much.
And we have no idea how long he may have "kept" any other person alive that he had abducted.
We only know the tip of the iceburg.
This is one time I would be willing to accept letting a drug dealer walk if he supplied the truth of how much and what he/she supplied to Garrido.
Just my opinion...I feel strogly that he used drugs to control her at least at first.
We have no idea how much income was coming in to that place. (Refuse to call it a home)
"Rather, I believed you to enjoy taking on the role of "Devil's Advocate" so to speak."
Ah, but I do believe the arguments I'm expressing, so I guess that makes me something of a "devil" and not just his "advocate" in the eyes of many here. :-) However, I generally post my devilish arguments with a smile and not a frown on my face. :-)
"Oh, and your Cohen quote is awesome!"
Which quote? The "angels" quote? Cohen? You mean Andrew Cohen? Actually, I first heard that quote from Alan Watts who borrowed it, with attribution, from G.K. Chesterton. It IS an "awesome" quote and very, very good advice.
Wouldn't someone like garrido seem to be a kind of person that could make his own drugs? LSD?
If in fact any other abducted children are found buried, the time span between abductions gives a clue as to how long they lived. The first was so soon after he was released, I get the feeling it was the most violent of all and that wouldn't have gone on for long.
"I wonder if the drugs were really a part of it."
Perhaps we'll find out when Oprah interviews her.
"The Anthem"
Yeah he does seem to be someone who could. I wonder. They would have reported a drug lab though huh. LSD seemed to be his preference. Can you make bathtub LSD?
I don't believe she'll do any interviews.
Well, now he could've had more than one alive when he took jc.
I have no clue about if you can, but he was pretty resourcefull. Plus, some of his customers were a bit on the shady side too.
I think he did, but after Jaycee. I believe there is something to the prostitutes he is being investigated for having something to do with the murders of. Although, his disposal was so different of them, than the bones they seem to be finding in the backyard. Even so, this keeps going round and round with me because of the reports of the parties in the backyard, the guys standing in line, and the neighbors believing they hired prostitutes. So, still wanting to see this come full head to find out.
Yeah, what was that witch's name that called out publicly for Jaycee to clear her. I believe she is pretty shady, and was thinking after I wrote about letting a drug dealer off if they talked. Thinking, if it was her doling out the drugs, I wouldn't want to let her off anything.
"I don't believe she'll do any interviews."
I thought I read that Jaycee is signed to do an interview with Oprah next month or the month after for a million dollars.
Here's what I think...
He used drugs recreationally during early adulthood. The drugs served many purposes.
Do you recall what was reported on the 72 rape/kidnap? I was reported that the 14 year old girl was drugged, then raped at a hotel.
So we know he has the MONTH to use drugs on his victims.
As things/life evolved I believe his personal drug use decreased, while using drugs on victims increased.
Has anyone been able to confirm this supposed Oprah Interview??
YouAreSuchAFreak, you say that you know the media can be overbearing sometimes. And then you say that you cannot wait to see Jaycee's face. And it has already been broadcast so many times that she and her family are trying desperately to protect Jaycee and her daughter's privacy. I mean no disrespect to you, and apoligize if I offended you. But I thought that this would be something for you to think about.
When that 14 year old girl was raped, wasn't Garrido and a few others just leaving a party. I thought that is what I read about. I believe back then, with him in whatever band he was in, back then, he probably had access to quite a bit more drugs than he did later on.
That wasn't supposed to be MONTH, rather M.O.
But I just checked it out, and, even though Oprah really, really wants to do it, it hasn't been agreed to. At least not yet.
Jaycee was really calm when we were kids and really mellow just like her step dad says, she was quite and very polite... I can see why she survived also this long. I do find the other girl Mikaela (not sure on spelling of her name) as well to have soooo many similarities to this case that its hard to over look. There is a news conference being held today at 9am in regards to Phillip and Nancy Garrido and evidence of search warrent findings, as well as they are still searching his house as we speak. I think they found something........
Not sure freak. I just don't recall. But I do recall that the girl wouldn't testify and that's why it didn't go to trial.
i dont see Jaycee doing that or her mom, but if she did I say if anyone in their lifetime deserved a million dollars it would be Jaycee and her children...
I think oprah should give her a couple million and just leave her alone!
Just my thoughts
Lol...brenda we posted that at the same time!
I am not sure if everyone here knows of this. But there is a site that I believe is called Websleuths. It has people that seem to have the similar interests as some of the commenters here, in that they try to solve crimes, and catch criminals through the use of the internet.
Denise: No disrespect felt from your comments. I stated how I felt. Please don't assume I don't give everything else thought as well. I am still very interested in seeing Jaycee. I know she is very well protected and for good reason. This still does not prevent one from having an interest in seeing her and hoping for a view of a strong woman. I don't feel shame for that.
to tell you the truth, Oprah has been known to be a very loving and giving person. I truly believe that she would, if has not already, given financial support to the Dugard family. Whether or not they appear. I do not see Oprah jumping in and requesting an interview at the early date someone reported. I believe the contact was more like this type of gesture.
you have to put yourself back in a little girls place ya know... we were only in 5th grade when it happened... that is very young.. it was almost the end of the school year. We were all moving onto the middle school locally in 6th grade...We were all still little girls. I can not imagine what She had to endure when she was first kidnapped. The elaborate planning of P.G. and N.G.'s back yard is just mind blowing. I do believe he could have held many women captive over all these years. Relating to her captor and bonding with him was the only way top survive.. I am sure other girls did not comply. I have read the rape report from the 70's and its horrifying. That's this guys thing though is taking people against there will.. I am curious if El Dorado county is going to prosecute this case in South lake Tahoe or Placerville right now its undecided....Our local judge Suzanne Kingsbury is going to decide... We get some info because of our local papers... But it has mentioned nothing about this supposed interview although we are having fundraisers and her step dad will be attending one of them.
YouAreSuchAFreak,
you are probably right about the Oprah thing..
If there was only one reason (and there is)that I would wish Jaycee would come forward publicly and recant each and every horrid thing that ever happened to her, it would be so you guys would stop speculating. It is making me physically ill to read the horror in some of these comments.
And yes, I agree. Oprah, give the girl some money, and leave her in peace. You are always "so caring and giving" ONLY when it benefits you in some way. Well, as far as I know, but how would I know?
I think you are right BrendaStar. I do not think he needed to drug a child to get compliance.
Do you know what channel, or if CNN will be carrying the 9:00 report?
Coonhound,
Great minds think alike...lol. :)
Coonhound and freak,
I believe she was a minor and was too scared to testify
I heard that Oprah had asked the stepfather where she could send flowers to Jaycee. Maybe she was planning on sending money also. In all fairness to Oprah. Since my previous comment on her was not based on facts, I was out of line, maybe. lol
YouAreSuchAFreak,
I believe it will be on CNN to watch I will get in on the web somehow and post a link if we miss it somehow but CNN was just talking about it also. 9AM everyone! they mention cadaver dogs are involved
I think the 14 year old was to young and scared to testify also. I can honestly put myself in her place also. If she was partying, and was doing some illicit drugs before being given drugs, I can also see herself blaming herself, even though it was not her fault. I can see her being unsure of wanting to go through that as well. I in know way blame her for not testifying. I am in fact able to feel highly of her for speaking up when she did recently.
horrible spelling in that last post!
YouAreSuchAFreak,
I agree with you.
It is on CNN right now
denise,
I dont know Oprah personally obviously but I agree'd with your statement.
they have only posted a computer generated aged picture of Jaycee. nobody knows what she really looks like now. Although her mom says she looks like she looked when we were 11 which makes sense. I still run into people in Lake Tahoe when we were kids and we all look the same pretty much.
I really like that female detective! She is on the ball!
Ya know there is so much talk about Phillip but Nancy I wonder what angle shes going to take.. She is actually the one that threw Jaycee in the car when it happened. When we were up here the only composite we ever had was of her face....She the one that got out of the car grabber her and threw her in... and at that time restrained her because her whacked out husband was driving away!
http://www.kron.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/3076/reftab/36/Default.aspx
in case you missed news conference
I can only imagine the only defense she has is that she was brainwashed or made to do these things. But I for one will not give her that. She knew when she married him while he was still a prisoner for rape, that he was a rapist. She was married to him when these other girls went missing. I cannot prove, but deep in my gut, I know he had something to do with these and others gone missing. Nancy Garrido was with him then too! Whatever sentence he gets, she should get too. She had so many options to go to the police over the last 21 years. She did not once do anything to protect herself or any of these victims.
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6987901
Freak there is a live link to Contra costa ABC7 its black right now but also go to the "video" tab and you can see what they just posted and other videos.
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video
that last link i posted was way more informative check it out.
BrendaStar, what is your take on his mother living there all those years and also not doing a damn thing. I mean how could she possibly believe those girls were his, but not see they were also Jaycee's? Nancy is dark skinned. Obviously, the blurred photos of the girls show them very light skinned. I am totally disgusted. I wonder what kind of mother she was. But then again, I do not ever believe anyone does not have a chance to walk away from a life when they endure poor parenting or abuse. So this is in no way an excuse for Garrido. Life was otherwise good abound around him.
I have some of the abc video links up right now. Thanks.
I think Nancy should be handle just like him also. I can not believe her... I think that too shes going to play the whole battered abused wife thing... but he was incarcerated for a little bit during Jaycees Captivity and she did nothing... I know shes the one that grabbed her and yanked her into the car that morning. I will never forget that day.
It has to be to exciting and hard for all who lived where this happened. To have personal involvement with Jaycee, to spend years of thought of the unknown, the time spent searching. No answers and to now have some answers, but not seeing the treasure they worked so hard for. Bless all your hearts.
YouAreSuchAFreak,
well from what I understand is that his mother was very sick that required home health care... I myself am trying to understand this more. I wonder how Phillip Garrido grew up and how he was raised a child by his mother and father. He has a displeasure for women which indicates to me that hes harboring anger in some way obviously towards women and its a deep anger and he feels like he wants to be an ultimate control which also indicates to me that he at one time had NO control in his life... I think Dr. Webb would agree with me but of course im speculating that.
I think that Nancy Garrido has some major mental issues, that stem from something that happened to her long before she met Phillip Garrido. This seems obvious to me since she married the man under the circumstances that we all know about. I am sure with her weak mental state, she was easily obedient and influenced to agree with anything he asked her.
With that said, I think that the police should definitely start working on Nancy. Since she is weak, they can offer her a better future if she cooperates. They can sit with her, symphathize with her, cry with her. If done correctly, by the right person, I think Nancy could be influenced to cooperate with the police willingly. And actually WANT to offer each and every detail of any and all crimes she knows about involving Phillip Garrido.
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=8609990
also includes an interview with her best friend
BrendaStar, I am curious about something. Do you know Elizabeth "Beth" Evans? Or her brother? Or any of the Evans family that live in South Lake Tahoe, and have for the past 30 years?
Brenda, his mother lived there for a decade before the last year. I do not believe the reports say that she was an invalid or sick all those years. But I do tend to believe the same as you with the control issues and from where those were derived.
I still know that we are all eventually given the light, the knowledge to know the good, and given the opportunity of living honestly as good citizens. I grant absolutely no excuse for these actions of the Garridos.
Coonhound, are you still around?
YouAreSuchAFreak,
I can tell you personally from the heart and this is very truthful that the day this happened was one of the scariest days of this community's lives.We have never forgot this and it has effected many of us. I was born and raised in South Lake Tahoe. I still live here in South Lake Tahoe with my 7 year old daughter now. We had 5 seperate elementary schools here as a child and Jaycee and I were 11 years old and went to Meyers Elementary School and we were in the same class and in the same grade and rode the same school bus every day. The day we went to school after this all the teachers pulled us in a room and they were all visibly upset and had been crying...they sat us all on the floor in a big group and told us that they had terrible news to tell us and it was okay to cry and be upset and that we all could talk about what hey had to tell us after they told us and get our feeling and emotions out... then they explained that Jaycee our classmate had been kidnapped by an unknown subject on the way to her bus stop this morning and that the school was on mandatory lock down, all of our parents have been notified and called and then they broke down and started to cry as everyone seemed to and we were all in major shock....We as a community never gave up hope. I can tell you that the day this happened when they found Jaycee I received my first phone call at 7am the second phone call right after that then the third and the fourth and on and on all day long. we were a community that had been overjoyed by her return. This is a very small town we dont even have one freeway, not one. I myself have lived in tahoe for 29 years now. I run into tons of people I have known my entire life... But i do know that we are loyal to this family and we will protect her up here from any media BS. This has really hit home for us and we truly think its a miracle when we all talk about we all get chills up and down our spines... There are banners and pink ribbons everywhere that say "welcome home Jaycee" or "God Bless you Jaycee" or "We love you Jaycee" on people's cars, homes, buisnesses, this is written its everwhere all along our 4 mile small town strip...Its a miracle truly...
denise,
How old is she that sounds really really familier... my moms been her for like 45 years
"She had so many options to go to the police over the last 21 years."
Why do you suppose she didn't choose one of her other options?
I have watched this unfold there also. It sounds like a beautiful tight community the world can learn from. I grew up in a small community like that in Montana. There is certainly a difference from the larger busy cities. I hope Jaycee can come home to you soon, if nothing but a visit at least. But, knowing the love of a community like this, I am sure everyone is patient while they wait for Jaycee to get to know her family and obtain a sense of adjustment.
"She had so many options to go to the police over the last 21 years."
"Why do you suppose she didn't choose one of her other options?"
I AM SORRY BUT THIS IS WHAT ACTUALLY ENRAGES ME!!!!!! THESE TYPES OF COMMENTS...HOW DARE ANYONE AND I MEAN ANYONE SPECULATE OR SAY "WHY DIDNT SHE JUST DO THIS!" BLAH BLAH BLAH....THESE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT ARE HARMFUL TO JAYCEE AND HER FAMILY!!! ITS LIKE GET A CLUE, WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU WERE KIDNAPPED UMMMMMMM HOW ABOUT YOU DONT KNOW BECAUSE YOUVE NEVER BEEN THERE!!!!!!!!! SHE SURVIVED... OKAY!!!! SHE DIDNT DIE THATS WHAT SHE DID...
YouAreSuchAFreak,
We all are actually. I can tell you personally that I and no one I have talked to wants to see her unless she is ready to see us... we love her and her family, and we just are thankful she is home and with her mom and family again..We are not sensationalizing this at all and if anything am proud at the fact that we will protect her and her families wishes and privacy for that matter..I love coming from a small town...I honestly am like the girl on clueless when i get on a freeway cities are way to fast pace for me...
BrendaStar: I would never ever defend Nag and his game plan here. His comment was not of Jaycee not speaking or doing anything. It was in regards to my comment that Nancy never did anything for 21 years. I chose to ignore comments of Nag because of his intent.
Yes, I am here, but I'm very busy with other things just now.
YouAreSuchAFreak,
oh, okay thank you and sorry. I am a little defensive about that kind of talk..
LOL I still have that sense of cluelessness even after going in and out of these bigger cities for quite some time now. I have never been able to adjust to the mentality of the people inherent in bigger cities. I prefer smaller communities by a long shot. In fact I am going to retire one day at a small island soon. Somewhere where it does not snow however!
BrendaStar, Elizabeth rode the bus to school with Jaycee each morning.
YouAreSuchAFreak,
I hear ya, us snow bunnies up here.. Keeps me tough!! lol.. The beach is that way!!! haha...
I prefer areas with woods and forests.
Denise,
And so did I but I do not remember her what grade was she in? Maybe she remembers me.
I should get going myself. I have only worked half days for the past couple and will now have to catch up over the weekend. Take care, and God Bless BrendaStar, Coonhound, Dr. Webb and others.
YouAreSuchAFreak,
Thank you I hope you have a good day and it was nice talking with you today and yesterday. Take care... and God bless you too.
Oh, I'll be back around 4:00 to watch the news update. It has been a nice conversation for a change the last few days, hasn't it.
I do have to say though I don not think they will have this trial up here at the lake because i highly doubt they could find a jury here that didnt already want to convict the both of them.
typing to fast lots of typos today
I have to go out. Just found out some annoying kids have knocked down my radio interceptor mast in the wooded estate near where I live. good thing they don't know i have all the pictures on cctv. lol.
bloody nuisance at 7pm on a friday night, but this needs fixed. will be back to read more comments in 2 hours or so.
"THESE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT ARE HARMFUL TO JAYCEE AND HER FAMILY!!! ITS LIKE GET A CLUE"
I was asking why Nancy didn't choose another option, not Jaycee. How does THAT question harm the Dugards, Brenda?
Freak, thank you for correcting Brenda's misinterpretation of my question.
"I chose to ignore comments of Nag because of his intent."
What is my "intent"?
if you read further Nag youd see that this has already been addressed and i said I was sorry... read on
Freak, et al--
Since I doubt that Freak will answer my question of what s/he thinks my "intent" or "game plan" is here, I'll just say that the intent behind my asking why Nancy Garrido acted the way she did is to encourage all of you to explore that question more fully. The same goes for her husband. Why did he do the things he did?
Yes, Brenda, I read Freak's and your comments AFTER I posted my clarification.
Nagarjuna,
I explained why i thought he did the things he did.
Brenda, my question was directed at everyone and runs even deeper than the explanations you've offered. And I don't expect any definitive answers here. I just hope that some of you will be spurred to think about the matter more deeply than you normally would.
"I do not ever believe anyone does not have a chance to walk away from a life when they endure poor parenting or abuse. So this is in no way an excuse for Garrido."
Why doesn't someone "step away"? That is, if they really have the free will to choose to step away, why don't they make that choice? How could a healthy person with "free will" choose to do the things the Garridos did?
Nagarjuna, I think for you to try to use your philosophy here, asking everyone to try to figure out WHY the Garridos did what they did, especially after admitting that nothing bad has ever happened in your life, does not really make sense to me. You have been stating the same philosophy for over a week. Nobody seems to care. It makes them angry, as a matter of fact. And you stated you sit at your computer with a smug smile. And I do not think you are going to get many people here to change their views, and agree with you. I think maybe if this were a different place, under different circumstances, some of the people here would be willing to listen.
You have made me think about both sides of many issues in here. You have opened my mind to much. I appreciate it and thank you. But I still believe the same as when I came here. I think murderers and criminals in general should be executed. Nothing will ever change that.
We are intelligent enough that we do not have THINK long and hard to determine which persons actually have a legitimate mental damage that warrant our sympathy and understanding that they clearly had no control of their actions. I believe any one here would forgive a person with Cerebral Palsy or a Brain Tumor if they committed a crime, even if it led to the death of the victim.
You ask all of us to see criminals as sick persons that know not what they do. But I think I have opened up enough of my background to also say that I was once a criminal. A very bad one. I had no feelings or concern for anything or anyone. I was not "sick", Nagarjuna. I was an evil, selfish drug addicted Bitch, that thought she was slick and had it going on. Thats all I wanted to say.
you then further commit against your fellow man by saying (even after you use this site for your pity party):
If there was only one reason (and there is)that I would wish Jaycee would come forward publicly and recant each and every horrid thing that ever happened to her, it would be so you guys would stop speculating. It is making me physically ill to read the horror in some of these comments.
And yes, I agree. Oprah, give the girl some money, and leave her in peace. You are always "so caring and giving" ONLY when it benefits you in some way. Well, as far as I know, but how would I know?
I think you need to go, as the Christian you claim to be, and check in with Jesus/God. Some Chrisitian
Well, BoogieManHater, I did not tell my background here looking for sympathy. I said it as a way of showing that I have personal experience in the matter. If you care to read the post that is above the your last post, that I posted at the same time as you did, you will see that I also was a drug addicted criminal during a period of my life. I hardly expect sympathy from that.
And I comment the way I feel here, the same as everyone. And the comments I read were making me literally ill. And I do not recall ever trying to instigate any arguments. I have avoided arguments here, by not "instigating an argument" but rather by simply letting a person know that I have no cause to converse with them again. And that is when a person seems, in my opinion, to be here to instigate, and not contributing anything positive. I also will end communication with persons that seemingly try to start controversy with me, when they do not seem to be very adept.
I do not know what prompted you to paste me telling about the Websleuths site. I posted that because I thought it would be more helpful to the "pedophile catchers" than this blog would be.
BrendaStar: I'm back earlier than thought, my secretary has everything under control so I have 3 days off for a change. Are you still around?
TheBoogieManHater. I was reading your comment and it disappeared. I don't have this on my email on this computer. Can you put it back or does anyone have TheBoogieManHater's comment in their email that was deleted just a few minutes ago.
No, I don't have it. Was going to rewrite it, but got busy doing something here. I deleted it by accident. It was posted twice in error. I deleted one and they both are gone now. If anyone wants to copy from email and post, that's fine with me. I don't want to waste anymore time on this one.
Thank you for your concerns about me and My Savior. My relationship with the Lord is fine, I assure you. This is not a pity party for me. lol I do not need any pity from anyone here. How can pity help my life, BoogieManHater?
And as far as my email goes. I find many of the persons here to be extremely interesting, awesome and nice. I feel blessed to know them. And am extremely happy that I will be able to keep contact with them. And danger? lol I live in the "hood". I am an overprotective mother. And I and the Lord, always watch my back.
"you then further commit against your fellow man by saying"
lol Commit what? And how? lol Im sorry but your arguments are going to make me laugh. Please try to refrain from making mistakes while trying to spew out an "intelligent" Slamming on me. :)
Denise, do you have the deleted comment? Can you post it?
YouAreSuchAFreak, I had made the mistake of clicking on the "Email follpw-ups" link before. But, as there are so many posts, I had already fixed it, and no longer receive the posts in my email. I am sorry, but No. I do not have the comment. If I had it, I would be more than happy to copy and repost it here.
"especially after admitting that nothing bad has ever happened in your life"
"Nothing bad" "ever"? Did I say that? And how does what has or hasn't happened in my life determine whether my "philosophy" is correct or whether it should or shouldn't be expressed?
"You have been stating the same philosophy for over a week. Nobody seems to care."
Not even YOU, Denise? Not Goblinbee? Not Tara? Not lurkers who may be reading but not commenting? Not people who outwardly disagree with me but may still have inwardly gained something from seeing a different perspective communicated here?
"And you stated you sit at your computer with a smug smile."
I didn't say "smug." My smile is not a "smug" smile; it's a smile that comes from realizing that the whole shebang of life is, ultimately, to quote Shakespeare, "a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing," and that we are unwitting characters in a cosmic play "strutting and fretting our hour upon the stage." It's a smile of benevolent bemusement tinged with sadness over the sublime tragi-comedy of life.
"And I do not think you are going to get many people here to change their views, and agree with you."
So what do you care if I keep on trying, not so much to get people to "change" their views as to encourage them to examine them more closely and deeply?
"I was not "sick", Nagarjuna. I was an evil, selfish drug addicted Bitch, that thought she was slick and had it going on. "
What is evil and selfishness that descends to Philip Garrido's depth of depravity? Answer: Sickness, deficiency, defect, disorder, whatever you choose to call it. But, to paraphrase Shakespeare, "the thorns of a rose by any other name still prick blamelessly."
You contrast "evil" and "drug addiction" with "sickness," but as I've asked before, WHAT IS, ULTIMATELY, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING REALLY, REALLY EVIL LIKE PHILIP GARRIDO AND BEING SICK?
"I think you need to go, as the Christian you claim to be"
I'm not Christian, as I have stated more than once.
All it generally was YouAreSuchAFreak was that Denise used this blog to write about herself and all her woes in life. Wrote what she wanted, but comes about trying to make suggestions to others to go someplace else to discuss what they would like to discuss. such as:
denise said...
I am not sure if everyone here knows of this. But there is a site that I believe is called Websleuths. It has people that seem to have the similar interests as some of the commenters here, in that they try to solve crimes, and catch criminals through the use of the internet.
and then:
denise said...
If there was only one reason (and there is)that I would wish Jaycee would come forward publicly and recant each and every horrid thing that ever happened to her, it would be so you guys would stop speculating. It is making me physically ill to read the horror in some of these comments.
And yes, I agree. Oprah, give the girl some money, and leave her in peace. You are always "so caring and giving" ONLY when it benefits you in some way. Well, as far as I know, but how would I know?
Who in the hell is she to decide who should discuss what in here? That was my point. Another all about her type of person. Selfish.
ok, I C better now.
No matter. I remember those comments. We just discussed what we wanted anyway.
Anyone here if they found anything yet today?
GEEEEEZ - Anyone HEAR
I'm here, Freak. So, what be happenin'?
YouAreSuchAFreak, I have not heard anything since this morning. I have been watching the webite: http://www.ocregister.com/fi/search/?q=Garrido&x=0&y=0
I think I got that from you yesterday or the day before. They do keep up so much quicker with up to the date than any other news station I have seen lately. Even better than CNN!
Correction: "The thorns of a rose by any other name still prick AS blamelessly."
Nagarjuna, I really do believe that you said thankfully, nothing bad has ever happened to you or someone close to you. And it has to do with the fact that if I am a big fat king, enjoying huge feasts everyday. I am not going to understand as well, the suffering of the people that are starving. I think in that case, I would offer very much philosohpy as to why "shit happens".
And that is somewhat how I see you here. I am sorry, I am only stating an observation of my own. You want everyone to believe that criminals are sick. And I have already agreed with that. Many people have. But do we really care what made a person become so evil and twisted to destroy the lives of innocent people? SHOULD WE CARE?
And you want us to pity them? And you want us to treat them humanely? I guess we should also all send money to put on Garridos and Percy Johnsons books, so they wont miss commissary and will be comfortable?
Wow. Just read all those posts.
Hi Coonhound.
Hi there.
Ok. I stand corrected on the statement I made about nobody caring. But to me, it just seems that you try to antagonize some of the people here. And that is what made me assume that your smile is smug. Even though, it is true, you did not ever actually write the word smug.
You wrote: "So what do you care if I keep on trying, not so much to get people to "change" their views as to encourage them to examine them more closely and deeply"
And if the people who we all have been discussing with the past week, have already examined their views close and deep, but continue to feel the same, Nagarjuna?
When someone here says how they feel, if you disagree, you ALWAYS tell them to THINK!!!! Which is suggesting that we are all non thinking idiots, because we do not agree with your views.
I do not mean to start an argument with you. And I continue to have respect for you. I am just stating what I see here that I do not feel is right.
Nagarjuna said: "WHAT IS, ULTIMATELY, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING REALLY, REALLY EVIL LIKE PHILIP GARRIDO AND BEING SICK?"
And my answer to that is: There is no difference. Garrido is a reallhy, really sick and evil person. He should, along with many other, really, really sick criminals, be executed, In my opinion.
denise
I think we all need to accept that everyone has a different way of expressing themselves.
I have read nagarjuna’s posts from day one.
That is nagarjuna’s own unique way of expression. I have accepted it as such.
"I really do believe that you said thankfully, nothing bad has ever happened to you or someone close to you."
No, I only said that neither I nor anyone close to me had ever been the victim of violent or otherwise very serious crime.
"But do we really care what made a person become so evil and twisted to destroy the lives of innocent people? SHOULD WE CARE?
Why shouldn't we care? If we knew why people turned out this way, don't you think we might be able to change ourselves and society in ways that produce fewer such people or, at least, enable us to react to the "evil" that they do with less malignant, to ourselves and to others, fear and hatred than we do now?
"And you want us to pity them?"
If they ARE victims of a sickness that even YOU concede that they have, and this sickness has "destroyed" their as well as other people's lives, why WOULDN'T you pity them? And, parenthetically, how do you think you, as a Christian, should feel or try to feel toward them?
To those who support capital punishment, can you say in all honesty that this is humane treatment of a fellow human being ?
It makes me feel physically ill to read such news items as this. Pre-meditated, cold-blooded murder/execution. Same thing in my view.
New US vein execution bid halted
Execution staff spent two hours trying to find a suitable vein in Romell Broom
A second attempt to execute a US man by lethal injection has been temporarily halted by a federal court.
Murderer and rapist Romell Broom had his execution rescheduled to Tuesday after Ohio state officials failed to find a vein in the first attempt.
But on Friday, District Judge Gregory Frost issued a 10-day restraining order after a plea by Broom's lawyers.
They said the pain he suffered in the first attempt violated a constitutional ban on cruel and unusual punishment.
Execution staff hit muscle and bone while trying to access a suitable vein last Tuesday and Ohio Governor Ted Strickland issued a week-long reprieve after about two hours of unsuccessful attempts.
Broom's lawyer, Tim Sweeney, said his client had "sustained both physical and mental injuries" during the attempts. Witnesses said he had been distressed and appeared to cry.
Broom has been sentenced to die for the rape and murder of 14-year-old Tryna Middleton in 1984.
Ohio has executed 32 inmates since since the state resumed executions in 1999.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8264055.stm
"And if the people who we all have been discussing with the past week, have already examined their views close and deep, but continue to feel the same, Nagarjuna?"
And if they haven't? Or if newcoming lurkers to this site haven't? Or if those who have examined their views closely still end up changing them a little or a lot?
Once again, Denise, why do you care what I write here and take it upon yourself to chastise me for writing it? How am I harming anyone? I'm not forcing you to read or respond to anything I write, and, it seems to me that you aren't reading a lot of it very closely or responding to much of it very thoughtfully. You seem a little like Coonhound who ealier asserted that she had "refuted" my arguments but never provided any examples when I asked her for them.
"When someone here says how they feel, if you disagree, you ALWAYS tell them to THINK!!!! "
So? Is it bad to think? Is it bad for me to jocularly prod them to think?
"Which is suggesting that we are all non thinking idiots, because we do not agree with your views."
Are you "non thinking idiots"? If not, TELL why you don't agree with my views. Thoughtfully refute my arguments.
"I do not mean to start an argument with you. And I continue to have respect for you. I am just stating what I see here that I do not feel is right."
Ditto.
It is a shame it had to happen that way Tara. If you read other news reports, you will see that the last three that went up for lethal injection, the same thing happened to them. Veins mysteriously collapsing. You will hear more on this in the future I guarantee you. These cons found a way for this to happen. This is only recently that this happens to each who has come to their day. So, if in fact when you learn that this is true that they caused their own veins to collapse at this precise time, I think you will not blame the government for this happening. This man brutally raped, sodomized and killed a young girl of I believe 14 years of age.
He gets no sympathy from me.
It is never going to be possible to avoid the reasons why people become sickened criminals. And we already have enough knowledge of why people become sick and evil.
I am a Christian. It is true. I do not feel that I am being a hypocrite to want the death penalty for criminals. The Bible does tell us to follow the laws. God doesnt feel that criminals should walk the streets, Im sure.
And if I have examined both sides of an issue and still do not agree with you, do not suggest I am a non-thinking idiot, please. I realize that your posts of THINK, PEOPLE, THINK!! were probably not even directed at me, but I think it is wrong for you to assume that none of the people here have given any thought, before being angry and wanting true justice.
Tara, I'm sad to say that I suspect that the overwhelming number of people here will clap their hands with glee over Mr. Broom's ordeal and hope that he suffers even more the next time around.
"And my answer to that is: There is no difference."
Well then, despite your earlier statements implying that there IS a difference, you and I actually agree on this. So what's the problem with my asking those who still disagree to "THINK" about why they do?
Tara, I also have accepted Nagarjuna's ways, as well as being someone I consider to be a friend.
There was something he had written to someone that I did not think was right of him. It made me think of the things that I wrote. So I wrote them to him. I have been searching for the exact comment, but I cannot find it.
"New US vein execution bid halted
Execution staff spent two hours trying to find a suitable vein in Romell Broom"
I am sorry, Tara, but 2 hours of suffering over a needle being inserted professionally into your skin is nothing compared to 18 years of Hell.
denise
Two wrongs just do not make a right
It makes us no better than the criminal
there are videos on video.msn.com of the inside of garrido's house. what a fucking disaster zone!
Tara!!! Oh my gosh?
Broom's lawyer, Tim Sweeney, said his client had "sustained both physical and mental injuries" during the attempts.
The man cannot suffer physical or mental injuries,,,before dying? They think he might have actually CRIED??????
I think that people dissect certain laws to use them to their advantage, but not necessarily as they were initially meant to be.
"Cruel and unusual punishment" means that you do not use RED HOT POKERS, and rip a person 9 different directions, etc.
lol. Maybe all executed persons families can sue because their family member received holes or bruising while being lethally injected. Pathetic!!
nagarjuna said
"Tara, I'm sad to say that I suspect that the overwhelming number of people here will clap their hands with glee over Mr. Broom's ordeal and hope that he suffers even more the next time around."
I did consider that I might be slightly insane to enter a discussion with American citizens on their home soil with a view that opposed capital punishment
"It is never going to be possible to avoid the reasons why people become sickened criminals."
How so, Denise? You claim to be a Christian. Do you REALLY mean to suggest that if society became more Christian or, by whatever means, more loving, compassionate, fair, just, and moral, there wouldn't be fewer sick criminals produced to victimize us? Don't you think criminality of various kinds stems. at least in part, from faulty environments that a more enlightened society might be able to improve?
"I am a Christian. It is true. I do not feel that I am being a hypocrite to want the death penalty for criminals."
I asked you if you shouldn't pity him as a victim of the same sickness that caused him to victimize others? If you don't believe you should pity him, why don't you? If you do believe you should pity him, why do you want him executed instead of simply quarantined for life?
And, as a Christian, do you REALLY believe that God wants human beings to take other people's lives with cold-blooded state executions instead of letting Him decide their time of death and give them until THAT time to achieve redemption?
"I realize that your posts of THINK, PEOPLE, THINK!! were probably not even directed at me, but I think it is wrong for you to assume that none of the people here have given any thought, before being angry and wanting true justice."
In all frankness, I don't think that either you or most everyone else here has given the matter ENOUGH thought except in terms of rationalizing the hatred and vindictiveness you came here with, just as most of you think I'm full of sh*t for arguing against the prevailing view. But I share your desire for "true justice," and I am urging everyone here to give more thought to what that actually entails.
Where is the harm in that?
We saw that yesterday Dr. Webb. We were discussing how Garrido's mother was, while sick, able to crawl over all that crap, just to get to the bathroom to crawl over some more crap, just to get to the porta pottie sitting in the bathtub to take another cra...
"I am sorry, Tara, but 2 hours of suffering over a needle being inserted professionally into your skin is nothing compared to 18 years of Hell."
So are we to understand you as saying, as a Christian, that you want him to suffer as much as the girl did? To what end? Is that what you think God wants? Do you think that will genuinely benefit his victim or her family, you, or anyone else?
Think, Denise, think!
Nagarjuna, I am not chastising you. I am stating how I feel, when I seen one of your comments to someone that I thought was not right.
So? Is it bad to think? Is it bad for me to jocularly prod them to think?
How do you know that they have NOT thought? Because they continue to not agree with you?
Nagarjuna, there is no difference in being sick and evil, in certain situations. We do not have to examine the word sick with a fine tooth comb to understand there are many variations of being sick. Having the flu is sick. Cerebral Palsy is a form of being mentally sick. Criminally Sick is evil sick. And it should be punished, if there has been a crime.
"I have been searching for the exact comment, but I cannot find it."
If you find it, please share it with us.
"lol. Maybe all executed persons families can sue because their family member received holes or bruising while being lethally injected. Pathetic!!"
What's funny or "pathetic" about this man's suffering or his lawyer's attempts to spare him more of the same?
Think, Denise, think!
You stole the words right out of my mouth YASAF. Where have you been doc. Another hour and a half and we should know something. Can't wait to find out the Garridos will get what is coming to them.
"that you want him to suffer as much as the girl did?"
No. There is no possible way that he can suffer as much as the girl did. They are already dispersing a humane way of executing him. But he cried, so they thought that was cruel and unusual punishment for him?
And as soon as he is dead, it will not benefit the child. But it will benefit those that are alive, to never have to be one of his future victims.
I am sure that if they had executed Garrido for his first crime, it would not have helped the girl he raped in the storage shed. It would not have helped her family, or me or even you. But I do believe it would have helped at least one 11-year-old someone, am I right?
Sickness is beside the point.
Did the man know right from wrong?
Did he know the difference?
He probably suffers from a multitude of mental illnesses.
But did he know right from wrong?
I believe he did.
And I believe he could control it if he desired to.
denise
"They are already dispersing a humane way of executing him"
Really !
"Lethal injection may appear to be the most humane but is a very slow process. If the needle is inserted correctly into a vein it allows the short acting barbiturate to function properly, causing unconsciousness in less than 10 seconds and death in under 10 minutes. The biggest single objection to lethal injection is the length of time required to prepare the prisoner and carry out their sentence which can be from 20 to 45 minutes depending on the ease of finding a vein to inject into. Throughout this period the person knows that they are being put to death."
http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/thoughtsUS.html#humane
Perhaps you may wish to read all of the article about all the other methods too. I haven't got the stomach for it.
I do not believe this is a cruel way to go either. It could have been the electric chair! It could have been a hanging, It could have been a firing squad. It is nothing less than being put to sleep and then another drug to stop the heart. These condemned convicts feel nothing except the anxiety of meeting their fate. Which is so much less than what they did to others to get to where they are at this time.
if society became more Christian or, by whatever means, more loving, compassionate, fair, just, and moral, there wouldn't be fewer sick criminals produced to victimize us? Don't you think criminality of various kinds stems. at least in part, from faulty environments that a more enlightened society might be able to improve?
That is never going to happen, Nagarjuna. We cannot stop drugs from existing, We cannot stop people from being criminals. That will never happen. But, if we stop the criminals, at least it WILL be a deterrent. And if not a deterrent, at least they cannot strike twice.
I do not pity him for being sick, Nagarjuna, because I have had the same criminal ways. Not to the disgusting extreme as he has it, but I had it. And I deserved any punishment I received, and I deserved no pity.
Freak,
You forget the gas chamber.
lol. Maybe all executed persons families can sue because their family member received holes or bruising while being lethally injected. Pathetic!!"
What's funny or "pathetic" about this man's suffering or his lawyer's attempts to spare him more of the same?
Think, Denise, think!
HA, Nagarjuna...THINK!! You must have misread my statement there and misunderstood it. I did not lol at the mans suffering. I lol'ed at the comment I made that maybe the family members can sue the prison for leaving holes or bruises on the executed brutal and vicious criminal, after he is dead. It probably will happen one day, if it hasnt already, and it is PATHETIC!!
"How do you know that they have NOT thought?"
By the shallowness of their answers to my arguments and questions or by their complete evasion of my arguments and questions. But suppose my impressions are wrong? Suppose they have thought plenty. What is wrong with my urging them to think more?
"Criminally Sick is evil sick. And it should be punished, if there has been a crime."
Why should "criminally sick" be "punished" but physically and mentally sick should NOT? And how is "criminally sick" different from "mentally sick"?
"These condemned convicts feel nothing except the anxiety of meeting their fate."
You know this for a fact? I've read that, if the procedure isn't performed properly and the condemned are not fully unconscious, they may very well feel a prolonged acidic burning in their veins and sense of suffocation from the drug that paralyzes their ability to breathe.
Nagarjuna: "Why should "criminally sick" be "punished" but physically and mentally sick should NOT? And how is "criminally sick" different from "mentally sick"?"
Are you serious??? lol
Ok, I apologize for the above belief. I now believe that persons with the flu, and cerebral palsy, and blind people too, should all be executed. And not humanely either. I think they should suffer immensely. What the....????
Well of course you read that Nag. I truly do not expect for you to say anything at all otherwise.
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