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«Oldest ‹Older 2201 – 2400 of 12462 Newer› Newest»Correct me if I am wrong but Nag. says somthing like, Garrido has an illness or sickness and thats why he does what he does.
Perv...
I think you misread my posts. I never said anybody or anything was ill or had an illness. In fact, I've stated the opposite.
As far as you go, heck if I know if your ill or not. Go see a doctor.
Yes. Nag did say that on several occassions, but he also said - "He writes pedophilia is a by-product of both nature and nuture in varying proportions from person to person."
I think Coonhound rejected all this, and said, no, it is selfish abuse
Ok, what's that have to do with me?
I am just tring 2 understand why his sexual prefrence is an illness.
Yes, I did. Thanks freak.
It's not an illness, there is not one iota of proof of that whatsoever. Coonhound never said it was. The only person who said it was is Nag, with a few defenders of Nag on this blog.
I never made that statment nor do I believe that to necessarily be true.
Pervkilla...
Go reread. I've consistently refuted Nag's beliefs. Of course, according to him I lack the common sense to see it his way or "the right way."
LOL Coonhound. I am sure you do not give those statements any credit.
"hysterical public? Where?"
HERE.
Coonhound I wasnt dirrecting anything but that I agree on how u descibe a ped. I kind of ran all tha together.
It seems to me Garrido only liked to have sex w/little girls, or with a non-consenting adult female. According to Nag. that is do to an illness.
So what I was asking was, being an adult male I like to have sex with consenting female adults.Is this do to an illness in Nags beliefs?
Thats not dirrected to 1 person I am just throwing tha out their to see what other people think.
I dont think its do to an illness its just my sexual pref.
Nahhhhh.
It's not an illness, there is not one iota of proof of that whatsoever. Coonhound never said it was. The only person who said it was is Nag, with a few defenders of Nag on this blog.
Thats what I was looking for. I never meant to say coon areed w/nag because I have been reading for more than a week and the only one I have seen agree w/nag was nag.
Freak...
Bringing up the dateline show really drives our point home. Everyone of those fellas were pissin in their pants bc they chose to take a risk and got busted. Remember how they would behave once the truth was revealed? Begging and pleading, swearing they would vever do it again.
none of those guys were suffering from an illness that caused them to try to have sex with an underage girl!
Please!
"Flip flopping has been going on with him for quite some time."
For the umpteenth time, WHAT "flip flopping"?
I think my position has been pretty consistent. Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with changing one's position if one encounters good evidence or arguments for doing so But what significant changes ("flip flops") have I shown in MY position?
Perv...
Lol
oh yes, I remember, and I also remember that some of them got busted TWICE by Dateline. Selfish bastards.
sorry, couldn't help that last comment
Nag,
Nobody but you is hysterical here.
Nagarjuna said...
"he proof is that this monster horribly committed foul, disgusting hurtful acts on a little girl as she grew into womanhood and on. He deserves the same. There is proof he did this."
Yes, Freak, that IS the proof. He did horible, foul, disgusting things to that innocent little girl that only a SICK person could do. And now you want to TORTURE him for his sickness? That sounds pretty sick to me as well. But as long as you just think and feel this way and don't act it out in some manner, you can thank your lucky stars that you aren't as sick as people like Garrido who take their depraved thoughts "on the road," so to speak.
"You have no PROOF he is sick."
Once again, WHAT additional "proof" do you NEED? If Garrido wasn't sick to do all those terrible things, what WAS he?
Think, Freak, think!
He did this do to his sexual pref.
You see this is how it all works with Nag. He calls people idiots who can't hold their own because they refuse to argue his bullshit. Like here, what flip flopping blah blah blah. He never once references the whole thing. It is very clear the two flip flops in these posts.
It is just an attempt to argue for attention sake, and or protection of his own wants.
Is pedophilia an illness ?
Yes according to some/most medical experts
http://www.registeredoffenderslist.org/what-is-pedophilia.htm
Oh, and Chris Hansen would ask them..."If you know its wrong, then why did you do it? Why did you come here?"
They would put their head down or look off to another direction and say "I don't know."
Oh, and Chris Hansen would ask them..."If you know its wrong, then why did you do it? Why did you come here?"
They would put their head down or look off to another direction and say "I don't know."
"How many times has he rejected God or Christianity in here. But it suits him here, so, he uses it. Sure to recant or excuse it later."
I don't "reject" God or Christianity. I don't believe in Christianity, but I DO embrace some Christian or universally religious and spiritual principles. Moreover,I don't claim to know for sure that Christianity is a false religion. And I am inclined to believe in some kind of ultimate reality that I sometimes call God. What's more, I suspect that many here consider themselves Christian and/or believe in some kind of God. Notice that I also said, "There but for the grace of God or fate go I." That makes allowances for what theists and nontheists should be saying to themselves about sex offenders.
So, there is no "flip flopping" here.
What is umpteenth?
I who one of the flip flops are but who is the second?
Since you can't address the real issue, I'll post it one more time. From your previous post you wrote:
"When we look at sex offenders like Garrido, I think we should be breathing a sigh of relief and saying humbly to ourselves. "There but for the grace of God or fate go I." In other words...."
For someone who doesn't believe in God, I have seen many statements like this, but, only when it suits your argument. flip flopping
Yes according to some/most medical experts
Is it some? Or most?
Coonhound. I always thought it was pretty funny when they would say, I thought it was a trap, I don't know why I came anyway. I heard about you doing this.
Ok, Ok, I have to say something!!!
I think I have an illness. I think it is the illness that Nagarjuna describes. I am crying now, but it is true. I have an ILLNESS. I have been abused all of my life. It has distorted my way of thinking, and my self esteem immensely. I CAN CONTROL my illness. But I stated earlier, that I HAVE HAD TO STRUGGLE WITH DISTORTED AND SHAMEFUL THOUGHTS!!!
Does anyone else in here agree that I have an illness? The fact that I controlled it, although it was sometimes difficult, does not mean I am not affected. I feel that I am not normal. I function as a normal person, but deep down inside, I know I am not.
I am not only defending Nagarjuna when I say I understand him. I am actually agreeing and understanding what he is speaking about. I grew up around so many functional sick people. Functional, but sick in so many different types of ways. I have true stories. I have so many stories that are so close to home with me, on almost any topic you can probably bring up. It is true.
Yes according to some/most medical experts
Is it some? Or most?
According to that article
"Mental health professionals agree that child molesters should never be considered normal, but is a disease."
Not for nothing, but I have dealt with Doctors and insurance companies for a long time, many of those doctors will either not tell you something insignificant is wrong with you, but get you to come back time and time again for treatment, so they can bill. Many doctors own shares in pharmaceutical companies, they want to prescribe meds, those meds do not work. Depression meds, yeah, they are causing some to commit suicide. So why really is there always a doctor telling you someone is sick. There are some illnesses, but selfish forced sex is not one of them.
"Mental health professionals agree that child molesters should never be considered normal, but is a disease."
Noway! Thats the persons preference!
"Correct me if I am wrong but Nag. says somthing like, Garrido has an illness or sickness and thats why he does what he does."
Correct. Nature and nurture have conspired to make him do what he did, and they have fortuitously combined, in your case, to make you like females. And, as long as those females aren't underage and neither you nor anyone else is unduly harmed by your attraction, I think it's fair to say that it isn't "sick."
Denise, you were abused. You are not ill, you have a good heart, with good idealization. You have issues you seemed to have accepted, at times, and at other times it appears to be harder. This is not going to make you go hurt someone. Don't let it hurt yourself either. Wash it off, and don't let it control you. I know that is harder than said, but you have the courage. We have seen it in here.
Goblinbee, I did not receive your email. Unless you are the one that sent me the $100. Wal-Mart card, or the offer for Colon Cleansers. lol
Although, you probably are afraid to email me and know me now. After my psychotic statements here recently. lol.
denise said...
Ok, Ok, I have to say something!!!
I think I have an illness. I think it is the illness that Nagarjuna describes. I am crying now, but it is true. I have an ILLNESS. I have been abused all of my life. It has distorted my way of thinking, and my self esteem immensely. I CAN CONTROL my illness. But I stated earlier, that I HAVE HAD TO STRUGGLE WITH DISTORTED AND SHAMEFUL THOUGHTS!!!
Does anyone else in here agree that I have an illness? The fact that I controlled it, although it was sometimes difficult, does not mean I am not affected. I feel that I am not normal. I function as a normal person, but deep down inside, I know I am not.
I am not only defending Nagarjuna when I say I understand him. I am actually agreeing and understanding what he is speaking about. I grew up around so many functional sick people. Functional, but sick in so many different types of ways. I have true stories. I have so many stories that are so close to home with me, on almost any topic you can probably bring up. It is true.
WHOA!
"He calls people idiots who can't hold their own because they refuse to argue his bullshit."
Whom have I called an "idiot"?
And where is the "bullsh*t" in any of my arguments?
And Denise. Those people you grew up around, the horror that they inflict on others. They did that. You were in the same scene as they were. You didn't. Was it, or was it not a personal choice, yours and theirs. Keep the choice and do not be swayed.
"I think Coonhound rejected all this, and said, no, it is selfish abuse"
And I replied that it is illness or sickness that compels someone to selfishly abuse others in such a harmful way.
and you were wrong
"the term "hysterical public" is a flip flop in itself"
Define "flip flop."
"Go reread. I've consistently refuted Nag's beliefs."
Examples please. With all due respect, I don't think you've "refuted" any of them. Let's examine one of your "refutations" to see if it really IS what you claim it is. You can pick the example.
All the psychologists do with sex offenders is try to get them to open up, be honest, discuss what goes through their mind, try to talk some sense into them, and determine whether anything go through before they make a decision to let them back out on the streets.
With this, how many times have these pedophiles came out just to do it all over again in even more violent ways than the first time or two they got busted. Psychologists are only human like you and I. The best of liars are pedophiles.
Denise,
Don't allow any of this to overwhelm you.
pervkilla
"Noway! Thats the persons preference!"
Not according to the current classification of mental disorders
"Should These Conditions Be Normalized?"
American Psychiatric Association Symposium Debates Whether Pedophilia, Gender-Identity Disorder, Sexual Sadism Should Remain Mental Illnesses
By Linda Ames Nicolosi
On Monday, May 19th, 2003 in San Francisco, at a symposium hosted by the American Psychiatric Association, several long-recognized categories of mental illness were discussed for possible removal from the upcoming edition of the psychiatric manual of mental disorders.
Among the mental illnesses being debated in the symposium at the APA's annual convention were all the paraphilias--which include pedophilia, exhibitionism, fetishism, transvestism, voyeurism, and sadomasochism.
http://www.narth.com/docs/symposium.html
once again the full statement is not recognized and only partial is pasted. Dodging the remaining. I'll copy it here:
the term "hysterical public" is a flip flop in itself BrendaStar. the USA was built around the majority vote. It is the public, if the public is hysterical, you have to ask yourself, what is Nag? Flip flopping has been going on with him for quite some time. Not sure why people keep trying to discuss these issues with him. It seems to me that people want to change this in him. They do not change.
Your flip flop here is defined. That is enough
Why didnt old Phil and Nancy have kids?Cause thats not what Phil is into. He likes little kids. He is not ill. Thats how he rolls.Nancy was a cover up.Also who else was gonna cook and clean Jaycee couldnt reach the stove. Have a great night people. I must get ready to protect the streeets of good old sacramento county!
"s pedophilia an illness ?
Yes according to some/most medical experts"
Tara, I continue to be astonished that anyone in this forum could believe that it's NOT an illness. In a previous post that no one addressed, I asked if they wouldn't consider molesting corpses or eating feces to be an illness, and, if so, how in the world would they not consider molesting children to be one too. But no one has answered. Maybe they will now.
lol I was washing my dishes, and thinking how great it would be to have all of you as my neighbors or local friends. And I was picturing Nagarjuna as a next door neighbor, coming to my house to argue with me about my children's bad behavior in his yard maybe. It was a hilarious image. Thanks for the laugh, Nagarjuna. My kids would make you crazy. And I can picture you trying to professionally deal with them. HAHA! Then here comes one of you others from the next door on the other side, to argue with him.
Ok, That was a silly moment. I apologize. It made me laugh though.
"Goblinbee, I did not receive your email."
Hmm...strange...I will try it again right now.
Also, I do not think you have made psychotic statements.
Wilensky said...
The real definition of Internet is: "lots of blogs and fat people trying to have sex with you."
September 17, 2009 7:48
AMEN!
Goodnight Pervkilla.
"They would put their head down or look off to another direction and say "I don't know.""
And no truer words have probably ever been spoken. They DON'T know why they have this terrible desire that practically everyone hates and for which they can suffer horribly if they act it out and get caught, and why they nevertheless go ahead and try to act it out anyway despite the extreme risks.
"With this, how many times have these pedophiles came out just to do it all over again in even more violent ways than the first time or two they got busted. Psychologists are only human like you and I. The best of liars are pedophiles."
The man that killed my sons mother, received his "Minister's License" in the mail, from the prison he had just been released from, 5 days after murdering the girl. He used religion to help get him released.
And a criminal mind is ingenious. I always say that.
"Nobody but you is hysterical here."
How so? How am I being "hysterical"?
Nag,
Calm down, you're way too hysterical for your own good.
(I'm rolling my eyes)
Bye all.
Bye Coonhound, I am leaving also.
Nagarjuna
I think the difficulty, as I see it is, that you have been stating your case from a philosophical perspective. One that I can understand and relate with but it seems that some others can’t.
Seems though that they also can’t accept the idea of illness, even when other actual evidence (not just beliefs) is put to them.
Wilensky said...
The real definition of Internet is: "lots of blogs and fat people trying to have sex with you."
September 17, 2009 7:48 AM
Wilensky said...
The real definition of Internet is: "lots of blogs and fat people trying to have sex with you."
September 17, 2009 7:48 AM
HOW TRUE ARE THESE STATEMENTS. I THINK HES TALKING BOUT U NAG. BETTER GO GET HIM!
"...and thinking how great it would be to have all of you as my neighbors or local friends."
Denise, sooo funny...thanks for the laugh!
"Since you can't address the real issue"
WHAT "real issue" am I not addressing?
"For someone who doesn't believe in God, I have seen many statements like this, but, only when it suits your argument. flip flopping"
I've already addressed that point and shown it to be groundless.
Next?
Hey...one last thing I wanted to mention...Homosexuality was once classified as a mental illness, too, by those same doctors.
It hasn't been that long since it was removed from that list (can't recall the date).
???? So just how relaible are their lists?
Tara, that was a good statement you just made to Nagarjuna. And I think that if Nagarjuna had told his theories in a different place, and without the current situation of Jaycee and her daughters at hand, more people would try to listen and understand his views.
"Homosexuality was once classified as a mental illness, too, by those same doctors."
Yes, things change to reflect the society we live in today, not the past.
I would think he was a politician, but even politicians wouldn't put such ludicrous statements in writing.
"There are some illnesses, but selfish forced sex is not one of them."
If an adult forcing sex on a child despite the terrible harm that it can do to the child and, if caught, to the adult is NOT a sickness, what IS it?
Is necrophilia a sickness, or is it just "selfish, forced sex" on a corpse?
Is coprophagia not a sickness but just the disgusting eating of feces? Come on, my friend, THINK!
freak said
"I would think he was a politician, but even politicians wouldn't put such ludicrous statements in writing."
Were you referring to my comment ?
"Calm down, you're way too hysterical for your own good."
How so? If you could see me as I type these comments, the last thing in the world that you would observe in my demeanor is "hysteria," unless it was hysterical laughter over some of the nonsense I see here. :-)
"HOW TRUE ARE THESE STATEMENTS. I THINK HES TALKING BOUT U NAG. BETTER GO GET HIM!"
Go back and read my earlier response to that, my friend. :-)
"I think the difficulty, as I see it is, that you have been stating your case from a philosophical perspective."
Then we need a whole lot more philosophizing and a whole lot less hysteria. :-)
Goodnight to all that are leaving. God bless and stay safe.
It has been so difficult to keep up with everything today. lol My son is still sick, but he is resting well.
Coonhound, thank you for your concerns. I do not let any of this overwhelm me, or affect my day to day living.
"Then we need a whole lot more philosophizing and a whole lot less hysteria"
Agreed but also studying actual evidence or research to back up beliefs, where this is possible.
I have no compassion for Garrido. I do not care if bad things happen to him. A little precision earthquake would be just fine. But I also want him treated humanely because that is the kind of world I want to live in. I could not condone raping or torturing him. I would hate for another person to be tainted with having to do that kind of violence. I think when most people say they want to rape or torture Garrido, they are venting. I think they would not be able to bring themselves to do it. Maybe some would, but most would not.
Is he sick or is he selfish? So far I'm not seeing the importance of making that distinction, but one of the (many) reasons I stay here is because I do keep wondering if it IS important. Like, what am I missing?
I also seem to have a sick addiction to this blog!
I think I can summarize what Nagarjuna says in such "big words" by saying this:
Any normal and sane person would never even think about raping a child, let alone acting on it.
Correct me if I am wrong, Nagarjuna.
Nag...
Wouldn't you go to see a doctor if you enjoyed and practicing eating "poopy"
?????
Just curious
Tara. No. We posted at the same time.
Denise. Normal thinking beings rape all the time. All you have to do is look at your history, as well as possibly even your husband. How many times do you have to say no. How many times have they become frustrated and angry. Some people will not let it end there. They don't care about others as much as they care about themselves and their own wants. It is called selfishness.
I do not find returning here to be a sick addiction, as you say. I actually have found this place to be one of the rare places, on the internet, or in real life, that one can have actual and intelligent conversations about important issues. This is why I return here. I am learning so much. I love all of the different points of views. As soon as I start leaning towards one idea, an opposing person makes me see something new on the opposite side. Its amazing. So much to learn about something that seemed important, but not important enough for me to dedicate any of my time to, before a week or so ago.
"Agreed but also studying actual evidence or research to back up beliefs, where this is possible."
Exactly, Tara! That, to me, is what "philosophy" should really be about--the loving pursuit of wisdom through reason, observation, intuition, and all other modes of knowing, and having the fruits of all of this override raw emotionalism.
And I truly believe that some of us have actually been practicing this kind of philosophy here. We're weaving together scientific knowledge, personal experience, intuition, and reason to promote wisdom in how we regard and deal with sexual abusers and others who commit crimes, instead of surrendering to the rampant emotionalism and gleeful vindictiveness we see here.
Coonhound!! lol, What a good question!! And a funny one. It made me laugh. But it was a good point. lol
denise
I think once a person can get beyond the anger/venting, they have to look at themselves and try to understand why they believe what they do, not just that they do because that is the way they have been taught/raised.
"Wouldn't you go to see a doctor if you enjoyed and practicing eating "poopy"?
Are you implying that if someone who engaged in this or necrophilic behavior didn't seek help for it, they would NOT be sick?
YouAreSuchAFreak(I wish you would change your nick, lol. I feel that I am calling you by this name)
Anyhow, sadly, I never have the opportunity to tell my husband, who is actually still only my fiance, NO to sex. But, in the event that we are ever blessed enough to sleep in the same bed each night, and I have to tell him No. I know he will be frustrated and upset. And also, he is latino. And not to stereotype, but yeah. He will be persistent for some time. And pout, and even try his
"Im angry" tricks to get his way. But....he will NOT rape me. If he tries, I will get him psychological help immediately. If he succeeds, I would call the police on him immediately.
And I hardly would consider the rapists of my personal past to be "normal thinking beings".
Tara, I understood what you wrote, but I do not understand what exactly you are referring to.
My email is in my profile, by the way, if you would like to stay in touch. I know I would like to stay in touch with you. :)
nagarjuna
"Exactly, Tara! That, to me, is what "philosophy" should really be about--the loving pursuit of wisdom through reason, observation, intuition, and all other modes of knowing, and having the fruits of all of this override raw emotionalism."
But would you agree that this may only come about with age and experience of life.
I can't imagine my 30+ daughter engaging in this discussion, not because she would be acting on raw emotion, but simply because she has more important (to her) raising a family on a daily basis.
She just would not have the time or interest to spend pondering on life in general, crime & punishment etc or how we could try to make this world a better place.
Tara, if you were referring to the times that I have been sexually abused when I was a child. I was never angry, and I never vented. I actually felt guilty, and knew I had to keep all that had happened to me a secret. That was the worst part. Keeping it all a secret. Thinking that if I told, my attackers would be in deep trouble. And being that they were "friends" and my own family member, I did not want anything bad to happen to them. That would ruin my Dad's friendships with them. They would hate me. And I always was protective of my brothers, since seeing people beat half to death, is never a pleasant experience. And I cant stand to see a child being hit or punished to this day. Even though I hit and punish my own children. Strange, huh.
Nag...
Wouldn't you go to see a doctor if you enjoyed and practiced in eating "poopy"
?????
Just curious
Denise, you posted a comment yesterday that I can't find right now that asked something like: If people who commit these kinds of crimes are sick, how can punishment deter them or others from committing more such crimes?
That is a very good question. My relatively short answer is that a severe sentence can sometimes provide sufficient motivation to override the strength of the desire to commit the crime and the absence of inhibitions, such as consience and empathy. In other words, some people still have enough self-control that a sufficiently strong sentence for committing the crime they're contemplating can cause them not to commit the crime despite the fact that they sickly desire to commit it and sickly or defectively lack an inhibiting conscience or capacity to empathize with their would-be victims.
Denise, I tried to email you again. Is it still not working? If it is not, I will try from a different account.
Sorry, my error. Didn't mean to re-post that.
Tara, I believe that if I tried to engage in a conversation of this nature with my daughter, her mind would drift off, while she desperately tried to find ways to escape the conversation. lol
But if any one of you here or her friends, or even my mother, had the same conversations. She would accept it and contribute much.
She is the same with shopping though. Her back is turned towards me. She hears me say, "Oh my gosh, this is so ugly" She doesnt even turn to look, raises her hand and says, "I'll take it". lol Crazy kid. When I buy new shoes, I have to tell her they are one of my friends' shoes, so she will say they are cute. Then I can say they are mine. lol
Oh goblinbee, it did work the second time. And I replied to your email. I will try again to send you an email.
Denise , if you've found the perfect man, then I'm happy for you
"But would you agree that this may only come about with age and experience of life."
Outstanding question, Tara! I wish I had a good answer for it, but I don't. Seeing as how I'm what many would call a determinist, I believe that people do what they do because they have to under the complex circumstances in which they function. And I believe that some people are determined or caused by those circumstances to philosophize and some are not. Yes, I suppose that age and experience can alter those circumstances to produce more philosophers. But it is also my hope, as foolish as it may be, that being exposed to philosophical discussions here and elsewhere, might "condition" receptive people to become more philosophical themselves and that when they see the kind of mob, witch-hunting hysteria and sadistic hatefulness that we've seen here, they can take a step back and question it to themselves and to others, avoid getting caught up in it, and, perhaps help others to avoid getting caught up in it too.
Nagarjuna, I think what you explained about the harsher sentences deterring the sick minded. Is so very close to my same reasons that deter me from committing crimes. And that reason is God and His Laws.
I get desperate. So desperate. And so many opportunities to get unearned cash or items come my way. Partly because I am street smart, and with a criminal mind. So I see ways that I could steal so easily. The temptation is there right along with the strong desperation, and it is hard to conquer the urge to go for it. But I think about THE HARSH CONSEQUENCES of The Lord. And it stops me.
Maybe it is the same idea that you have about sick people and HARSH CONSEQUENCES OF THE LAW?
I'm glad I made you laugh denise!
Nag...come on seriously, did I give you a little chuckle or two?
"Wouldn't you go to see a doctor if you enjoyed and practiced in eating "poopy"
I would certainly hope so. But I might be too embarrassed, as many who engage in this behavior probably are, to do it. And if I wanted to molest children instead of just eat feces, I might not only be embarrassed but also afraid to see a therapist about my sick desire, especially if I had already acted on it and knew that if I told my therapist about it, he or she would be bound by law to report it to the police.
sunny, thank you so much. I did find the perfect man. But in the most imperfect situations. :( He is Peruvian. And the INS did not give him his visa to be here with us. Now I have to try to go to Peru to live with him.
Goblinbee, I am thinking about walking away from everything here, and just going for it, by the way. lol I think I will not worry about selling everything. Whoever gets it, can have it. I do not care.
What's Mexican for ‘doctor'?
Now that I've answered your question, Coonhound, would you kindly answer mine. :-)
now that was philosophy. crap
Denise, I have not gotten any email from you. I don't know why we are having so much trouble.
Treating human beings differently, simply because they were born on the opposite side of a national boundary, is hard to justify
Repaeat it...I've been out and don't wanna re-read again.
Plz
Oh, that was rhetorical. I wanna know if the question made you laugh?
Sunny, I agree, but as hard as it is to justify, sometimes, when there is not enough work for those who built this country to be what it is, and others come over and take work, offering lower wages.... reduces the chance for those that have worked so hard at it to survive.
If Mexico became part of the USA, it would be different.... the USA would be building up the old Mexico also.
The freedom to travel and to settle where one wishes, in pursuit of political freedom or economic opportunity, is among the most basic of human rights, the boogiemanhater
"Maybe it is the same idea that you have about sick people and HARSH CONSEQUENCES OF THE LAW?"
Yes, Denise. But one of the points I've been making is that what stops YOU from committing crimes you may have considered committing may not stop others because those factors don't work in them. For example, they may not, through no fault of their own, believe in God. So they want to commit a crime and they have no fear of God, no conscience, no empathy for their would-be victims, and no fear of earthly punishment (because they're so pathologically focused on immediate gratification) to stop them the way you have your fear of God to stop you.
I think this goes far to explain the actions of a Philip Garrido. He powerfully wanted to do terrible things, and he, through no ultimate fault of his own, lacked the kinds of inhibitions that would stop most people from acting out aberrant and illegal desires.
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Any normal and sane person would never even think about raping a child, let alone acting on it.
Correct me if I am wrong, Nagarjuna."
You got it, Denise. :-) Thanks for translating for me. :-)
Coonhound--
""Wouldn't you go to see a doctor if you enjoyed and practicing eating "poopy"?
Are you implying that if someone who engaged in this or necrophilic behavior didn't seek help for it, they would NOT be sick?"
By the way, YES, I did laugh. :-)
I have a comment on the topic of going to see the doctor if you had a sickness such as "eating poopy" lol. How funny.
But drug abuse is a sickness. It is a severe addiction. And it can be helped, sometimes. There are many places to go to seek help for drug abuse. You can be a drug addict, and wish so much you could stop. You can even know in your heart and your mind that you WILL stop "one day". And try so many times, but return to them over and over again. You might even see the effects of drugs eating away at your body and your mind.
You think about going to rehab. But many factors will stop you, maybe. Such as, you have a daughter, and you know that if anything ever happened to her in the future, by no fault of your own even, your history of drug abuse would be on record and brought up every time, and you could very easily lose your beautiful princess. There is also the fact that going to rehab means a loss of the addiction that you are so dependent on. A loss of the fun, the parties, the friends, the freedoms. And an end to "the good feelings" that you occasionally get from drugs still.
I think that child molesters think about many of the same factors, when they consider seeking help for what THEY DEFINITELY KNOW IS WRONG. But still cannot control.
The principal difference between the Irish peasants who once fled the potato blight on coffin ships, and the desperate Haitian rafters that our navy forcibly repatriates today, is bad timing :(
bye
Sunny: When it is done legally I would agree. After all, this nation began only with Indians.
Bye
Normal and sane people do sick and illegal things, nag. It happens everday.
Are the previous people that posted nasty things about PG sick? Do they suffer from an illness?
"I think that child molesters think about many of the same factors, when they consider seeking help for what THEY DEFINITELY KNOW IS WRONG. But still cannot control."
I think you are very probably correct, Denise. People who compulsively abuse children are probably quite similar, in some respects, to those who compulsively abuse drugs. And it's not like they're happy to do what they do or that they even want to keep doing it. But they just don't yet have the wherewithal to stop themselves from doing it.
Dr. Dr. mentioned and I commented on his mentioning an excellent film about a pedophile. It's titled "The Woodsman" and stars Kevin Bacon and his wife Kyra Sedgewick (sp?). I strongly recommend it.
I am compelled to think, this day and age, what if we did just let anyone move in on us here. How many 9/11's would be repeated. Yes. Unfortunately for those trying to get to a better life, it is bad timing.
"Treating human beings differently, simply because they were born on the opposite side of a national boundary, is hard to justify"
Sunny, yes. It is the national boundary that is the problem.
What about Human Traffickers? Do they deserve our compassion and philosophical understanding, too?
Sunny, I do not know what Mexican would be for Doctor. lol As different spanish speaking countries have different slangs for words. But the Spanish word for Doctor is Doctor if it is a man. And Doctora if it is a woman doctor.
"Normal and sane people do sick and illegal things, nag. It happens everday."
Such as? And I didn't mention "sane." So, what are some examples of normal and healthy people doing sick and illegal things everyday?
"Are the previous people that posted nasty things about PG sick? Do they suffer from an illness?"
I suppose it depends on how debilitating or otherwise harmful to themselves and to others it is. If someone posted sadistic fantasies of revenge on a child molester and then went out and perpetrated that revenge on someone, I'd be inclined to call that "sick."
That was a good movie.
Really nag? You are demanding examples?
No, I would call that a hate crime.
BoogieManHater, did YOU "build this country what it is"??? Did I or anyone in here, for that matter? And what of the Iraqians, in their country. Will we say that Americans rebuilt their country to be what it is today, so we have more rights there and they do not?
And how many of our citizens refuse jobs that pay 3 times as much as an immigrant will work for, because it just isnt enough money for them to get their hands dirty. And if they do accept the job, paying 3 times the amount that an immigrant would be paid, they work half as much as immigrants do.
Come to my neighborhood. You will see many persons that have surrendered their jobs, and replaced the jobs they might have had, with SSI checks.
"What about Human Traffickers? Do they deserve our compassion and philosophical understanding, too?"
Great question. I despise their actions and intuitively understand it to be a different kind of crime than acting out one's irresistible desires to rape or molest. But it seems to me that in order to be a trafficker, one must have a defective conscience and sense of empathy. But because trafficking seems more calculated than do most acts of pedophilia, I suspect that harsh sentences might be more of a deterrent than they are with pedophiles. So, yes, and I'm thinking "out loud" as I type this, I think we should look at traffickers philosophically and not hate THEM as people for what they do, but I still think we should lock them up and throw away the key if not execute them for their actions.
Coonhound, you are falling into the trap.
"Really nag? You are demanding examples?"
I'm not "demanding" anything. I'm ASKING you to provide, for our thorough examination, examples of where people who aren't sick do things that are both sick and illegal. :-)
Yes. I was part of building this country for what it is. My mother and father before me, my grandmothers and grandfathers before me and my paternal great grandparents before me.
But what does that matter. I am a citizen. Sunny is not. The comments came out of the blue. The answer was all there was to give. When you have the right to open the gate to anyone and say any different, please let me know.
"Coonhound, you are falling into the trap."
WHAT "trap" is that? The "trap" of rational examination of an assertion? :-)
Pedophilia is just as calculating.
And if I could ever do something mean or cruel to a human sex trafficker...I do believe I would!!!
You are hardly rationale.
Coonhound, I wouldn't call you sick for it, maybe sick to death of them getting labeled sick to try to escape punishment
In fact, I'd stick my 38 Special up his/her a-hole and let it rip!
Human sex traffickers, yes that's what I would do given the chance.
"The freedom to travel and to settle where one wishes, in pursuit of political freedom or economic opportunity, is among the most basic of human rights"
If that was exercised in the UK we would sink (lol)
that thought crossed my mind as well
"No, I would call that a hate crime."
When hatred swells to those proportions, I think it's sick, pathological, disordered, whatever. It's not simply hate. It's not simply crime motivated by hate. Its a hateful act that destroys at least two lives: the life of the victim and, in all probability, the life of the perpetrator.
If it were me Coonhound, I would force them on video to explain how they do it, how much money they make, etc. I would then get my witnesses, make a citizens arrest and take the perp and the video to the police.
What, I didn't force him. He was trying to bring me in on the action.
Takes fire to fight fire
Maybe that's harsh, but I'd happily do that to a human sex trafficker.
Come on nag...lay it out there.
"Pedophilia is just as calculating."
Yes, it may well be for some, in the way of a drug addict using calculation to secure his next fix. But a trafficker may be less likely to do what he does because he has a compulsive desire to do it. He may be more inclined to do it because he can make good money from it. In a sense, he is less sick than the pedophile in that both may be sickly selfish, but the active pedophile is also sickly attracted to minors.
Coonhound: I would be very sad to see such a good person as yourself to go down for something like that. Not that they do not deserve what they gave out. But why should it end your life. That would be a regret for you and your family that you do not deserve.
Human trafficking is money motivated.
BoogieManHater, I believe that Sunnys comments did not come out of the blue. If I am correct, they came from my comments that my fiance is Peruvian and I would like to bring him here. So, yes, I do feel I have the right to open the gate to my own future husband, and the man that is my sons' Daddy.
And the fact that your forefathers, and mine, built this country does not mean that no other persons can enjoy it. My father built a few houses for our family, when I was growing up. That did not mean that nobody else had the right to own those houses and live in them later. And is sunny really not a citizen? I must have missed that. Just curious anyhow.
I am most positive, I said "when you have the right to open the gate"
It is sad, most of life is money motivated. Whoever dies with the most toys wins! Bah
Lol...I was just saying it to express my feelings.
Coonhound, I would like to ask you a question. Say you discovered a pedophile or human trafficker in your neighborhood. Say it was your neighbor of 10 years son. Do you think that if you blew this person away, and especially in the manner that you described, with your .38. Do you believe your neighbors, all of them, would consider you a hero? And if they heard that not only did you shoot this son of the woman that they all have had coffee with, but you stuck the gun in the location you mentioned, and "let it rip", would your neighbors actually applaud that?
You said to let you know when I have the right to open the gate. I feel that I have the right to open the gate to my fiance, right now.
"Human trafficking is money motivated."
We're ALL money motivated to varying degrees. What sets apart the human trafficker from most of us is that most of us aren't sick or defective enough to earn money the way traffickers do.
If you don't agree, ask yourself why you aren't a trafficker.
Gotta run for now. But when I'm here and when I'm away, remember to THINK, PEOPLE, THINK! :-)
Denise: If you had the right, your boyfriend would be here with you wouldn't he. He is not here, so I assume you do not have the right. I don't know you, or your situation. There is simply no other explanation than what was given to Sunny than what was given.
Aside from that, I do believe if you would have married him, he could have received the paperwork to stay on a temporary/trial sort of basis. I don't do immigration law. But if it is legal, there is a way. You just cannot arbitrarily say you have the right to let him in because that is what you want.
Coonhound: That false ego never seems to fail does it. Like a little cry baby babbling as he walks away.
Denise...I really wasn't looking from that perspective. I was imagining a very dark place where helpless souls (young girls) were being forced into sexual servitude, being beat, and forced to do sex acts that I could hardly describe. I dark nasty evil place.
denise
Just to expand on something I said earlier.
“I think once a person can get beyond the anger/venting, they have to look at themselves and try to understand why they believe what they do, not just that they do because that is the way they have been taught/raised.”
My comment was touching on the obviously sensitive subject of religion.
Some on here, not yourself, have vented their anger and then tried to justify this by quoting from the Bible, eye for an eye etc.
I was just wondering whether some of the posters who may be described as devout Christians due to their upbringing and what they were taught by their parents, have ever questioned their own beliefs when they have become adults and were capable of forming their own beliefs/opinions.
I was brought up in what may be described as a liberal Christian family.
Yes we did attend church and my brother and I were taught moral values which I think in later life have made us law-abiding, acceptable members of society, who know right from wrong and are respectful of others as equals.
But I was never taught that I should fear the Lord and religion was not something that was mentioned on a daily basis.
As an adult I have not lost those moral values that I was taught, but as an adult I do question the Christian faith in so much as, is that how I would label myself.
Do I really need to belong to a particular named faith, to always try to be a decent person.
I have concluded not, as I think my morals/beliefs may be loosely based on several different religions
BoogieManHater, you made a perfect point when you said that you do not know me, nor do you know my circumstances. So how do you find yourself qualified to even comment on the rights that I may or may not be entitled to. It is my opinion and my strong belief that when a person comments incorrectly on a subject that they have no clue of what the facts are, they lose all credibility, and I refuse to discuss the subject with them any further. Thank you for your input, although it has zero substance for me.
You may now go educate yourself on immigration law, as I have, and return with facts to discuss with me anything further.
that is fine Denise, become irrational. The fact remains, he is not here. You had no right to open the gate.
Boogie...
(Giggle to ur last post)
It is funny isn't it, but so true.
Tara, I understand what you are saying now. And I also question religion. There are so many things that do not seem to add up or make sense. And as I was raised by a drug dealing criminal that beat the Fear of God and Respect for the Lord into his children, but never took us to church. I am thankful that I was taught at least about the Lord. And in my later years, I do feel that I see signs in my life that God is here with me.
And the thing that made me write my first comment was here was when I seen people saying things to the affect of: GOD IS GOING TO GET YOU! I HOPE YOU GET RIPPED IN 9 DIRECTIONS, followed by much cussing, etc. It seemed to me that some of the peoples fantasies here for Garrido were just as horrid as Garridos fantasies were. And how can you mention God, then spew out a long string of profanities.
denise
Have you actually managed to spend much time with your fiancé, person to person that is.
Was this in the USA rather than Peru ?
I’m not sure without reading back, what the difficulty is you are having with him being allowed into or to remain in the USA with you.
denise
Thanks for your thoughts on that delicate subject. I am respectful of others beliefs, but just do have difficult understanding the beliefs of some "devout" for want of a better word, Christians
Ok, I am now convinced that someone here suffers from Multiple Personality Disorder.
"False ego"? :-) What does that mean? That I don't have an ego? Well, thanks for the compliment. In spiritual circles, egolessness is highly prized. :-)
But you know that if you didn't have ole Naggy here, it would be necessary to invent him in order to bring some civilized and rational humanity to the barbarism and incoherent venting and babbling so rampant here. Just think of me as the rational ego and principled superego exerting a salubrious measure of control over your seething and bubbling id. :-)
Tara, he has never been to the USA, and we have to go to Peru to visit him. We have gone through the immigration process, (as I DO meet all of the requirements to open the gate for him), but the immigration process is a long and frustrating process. And each time we provide them with things they request, they add more requests. They have almost bankrupted me, as they require documents that have to be sent quickly to Peru at the price of $118.00. And also, they required me to go to his second interview. He has not been denied, but we are tired of being apart. It will be much quicker for me to go there to be with him. We are tired of waiting for MY RIGHT to bring my fiance here to be granted. They will grant his visa. But we are tired of waiting. My sons need him, maybe more than I do.
And thank you so much for asking.
Why did you change the name from Benjames???
denise
Is you fiance able to help with any of the costs involved ?
Coonhound. Seriously, he has many alias'
Coonhound, the perspective you have on the girls and other children that are exploited and trafficked is the same as I have. It is a horrible thing that is happening. But I was wondering if a person that was just an average family type person could actually follow through with the plans you said you would have for one of these culprits. And I wanted to know if you thought your neighbors would then consider you to be a monster as well. Or would they applaud and praise you.
Nag/ben/steve
??????
Hmmmmmmm.
You will be able to pick them out easily, although sometimes he gets sneaky, coming in with a total different perspective, and then acting as if Nag changed his mind, after he goes back and forth for a while. It is quite comical.
Nag: The day I let you control me, or anyone else for that matter, is the day you will be sitting next to Garrido and his buddies.
Denise...I really don't know what another person would think of it.
And really don't care...I was lookin to get Nag all worked up.
Tara, he has helped in the past. Peru is a poor country, and my fiance works, but has less money than I have. We split all of the immigration fees, and attorney fees. He now has his financial woes, and I have mine. We cannot help each other right now. lol I will be in a position to get us straightened out very soon, as I am selling my camaro for a good sum. And I am thinking about selling all of my furniture, and my houses. Then I will move to Peru to be with him.
Tara, I hope that you will accept my offer to copy my email and keep in contact with me. I would like to continue communicating with you, after my lifes circumstances change and I am no longer spending time in this blog.
Ok Coonhound. I understand. And I will have no further comments for you. Have a nice evening.
Goblinbee, I sent you 2 emails. On the first one, I was replying to your email. The second one was a newly composed email. I hope you get them. If not, then I guess you can try the alternate email you mentioned earlier. :)
Photos of the inside of Pedophile Garrido's home: http://www.kcra.com/news/20972002/detail.html
denise
"Tara, I hope that you will accept my offer to copy my email and keep in contact with me"
I do appreciate your offer and I have noted your email but I won't promise anything.
No disrespect to you personally but private emails is not something that I usually do on the internet, after meeting people on forums or blogs.
But I do wish you all the best for the future when we both disappear from here in the future.
But I think we may still be here for a while.
Plenty of serious issues to discuss and exchange views on.
Denise...wish you wouldn't be so sensitive about my comment. Sorry if I hurt ur feelings or rubbed you the wrong way.
Boogie...they are showing those pics on the Cambell Brown Show, too.
Man, I wonder how his sick mother got through that crap in that house to reach the bathroom, climb over all that crap, just to get to the toilet and take a cra..
I did say before pig pedophile didn't I?
Tara, I respect your decision. And I also wish you the very best in your future. And yes, there are so many issues. I hope to expand to new topics, eventually. But this place still does not seem the proper place. Nagarjuna mentioned to me to start a blog, but for the issues of Medicare not providing for our Senior Citizens, as that is a big concern for me, since I am the Marketing Rep for In Home Care. That seems a boring blog. And he never told me if he could advise me on how to start a blog, so I guess he isnt interested in helping me. lol
come to think of it, I wonder what his sick mother thought of who Jaycee and her girls really were.
Denise, no emails came through from you, so I just tried again from another account.
We could all take a lesson from crayons,Some are bright, some are dull, some beautiful, Some ugly, and some have weird names, As different as they are,
They all have to live in the same box ..
Not sure. But point well taken.what a sicko. Steal a little girl, force her into sexual servitude, most likely drugged her for many years, more sexual servitude, force her to partake in twisted and cultish beliefs to brainwash her even more, more sexual servitude, force her to give birth to two children that we know of...etc. Meanwhile he has everything!
Nasty
Nasty
Nasty
Sunny, I am sorry for your views, I am sorry you have someone who lives elsewhere while you would like them to live here. There are several reasons the laws are the way they are. If you want your friend to live here, then go through legal channels.
the same box could also be construed as the same "world".
Correction...he had everything.
Denise ,I wasn't once in Peru. But I had seen some Photos and I must be a nice country.
I`m be very inquisitive to hear more from you
All the best wishes.
Coonhound, you did not hurt my feelings. You rubbed me the wrong way in that I come here for the purpose of valid discussions. I skim over riff raff, as I am not interested in who is who here. And I respect everyones perspectives, regardless if I agree with them or not. Disagreeing is fine. But arguing, to me, is senseless. You stated that you are basically only making a comment to get Nagarjuna all fired up anyhow. And you really did not care what anyone thought about it anyhow. So, for me, there is no sense in conversing with you, as we must be here for 2 different reasons. And your reason serves me no purpose. I do not have a problem with you, or anyone else that comments here. I hope you understand my reasons for excluding you in my future comments. I wish you the best. Peace.
He could have had everything, but I don't think he had everything, or had things, and treated people as things, but look at what he did to his things. Disgusting. Pig Pedophile
Don't sweat it Coonhound. I'll show you later.
Sunny, that was great!! And it was so true. Crayons. lol I love that!!!
Ouch, denise. That was just a touch over dramatized, especially considering nobody was arguing with you and I wasn't arguing with anybody.
But, suit yourself.
Denise, got your emails and answered. We're hooked up!
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